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With this years embarrassment I can see quite a few changes from top to bottom. You can see a never before seen look of humiliation on Jerrys face these days. And thats not a bad thing. It good to suffer humiility to grow.

First i think Coaches will see a new faces.

Hudson Houck - either the game has just passed him by or the talent if worse then everybody thought. I think its a little bit of the 2. Of all the offensive coaches i think he'll be the one to go.

DC - Its clear that no coach on this team is qualified to be a DC. I think we might see a whole new set of coaches on the def side of the ball. There's a few coaches i wouldnt mind seeing in Dallas as DC

Dennis Thurman - DB coach Jets
Pepper Johnson - DL coach Patriots
Ray Horton - DB coach Steelers
Keith Butler - LB coach Steelers

Head Coach - Im still not sold on Garrett, while the team is responding to his belief in accountability and discipline. I dont like his game plans one bit. IMO somebody needs to be brought in to save Garrett from himself. I just dont know if that will happen. A guy like Russ Grimm to instill a running game would do wonders for this team. But as far as HC goes, I think Jerry wants Garrett as his HC and it will be Garrett. If thats the right choice we'll see.

Key Releases before Camp

You could release 3/4 of this team and on all the sports shows and fan forums they would say about time and talk about genius. But in reality there will be few releases.

Igor Olshanski - Some say he was just as good as Canty but we've found out that while canty wasnt worth 30+ mil. He was worlds better then Igor. CUT

Marc Colombo - A warrior, the enforcer of the OL and one mean mutha...nevermind. Injuries cut this guys career in half and its run its course. The guy just cant move anymore. Released

Gerald Sensabaugh - Waste of a roster spot. The guy is one of the stupidest players on the NFL. CUT!

Marion Barber - Time to say goodbye. He might be servicable on another team, but The Cowboys have two better backs. Released

FreeAgency

With Godell coming out and saying he thinks there could be a Collective Bargaining deal by the Superbowl freeagency looks like it will be stocked with alot of nice talent. Alot of players that accepted them tenders this yr will be UFA in 2011.

NOw i dont know how realistic any of these guys will be in Dallas or if they have any interest in Dallas. I'd love to see them wearing a star tho.

Logan Mankins G, the guy is just probably the best OG in football. While he was out the Pats had no running game. I dont think theres any coincidence that when he comes back the OL for the Pats is dominating.

Marcus Spears DE, Guy is Missed dearly vs the run. He wont cash in and Dallas is the perfect fit

Josh Brent NT, Dallas needs to bring him back. With a whole offseason with the team I really think he could be next yrs starting NT and will allow the cowboys to move Ratliff to DE.

Bob Sanders S, I know people wouldnt like this. But nothing wrong with bringing him for a look. WHEN healthy the guy is a monster.

Haruki Nakamura S, Role player for the Ravens. But really who is going to play over Ed Reed? Bring this guy in. He plays with alot of speed and fire.

DRAFT

Point blank Dallas can no longer afford having these horrible drafts. Their Talent runs as far as the starters with a couple subs being decent. But realistically The Cowboys depth is pretty much garbage. Due to alot of bad drafts.

RD1
Gabe Carimi T, Wisconsin - Leave Free on in the left side. Draft Carimi to be the next RT. Guy is huge and strong. Not only that he run blocks like a wild man playing at wisconsin. I want one of them Cb at this spot too, but they probably wont be there when Dallas drafts.

RD2
Deunta Williams S, UNC - Guy had some problems this yr eligibility and then close friends mom dying. Got sidetracked. The Next woody. Even if u have t trade up a little. Get this guy. I wouldnt be suprised to see Stefen Wisniewski here

RD3
Mike Pouncey C/G, Florida - OL needs new blood. This kind of pick allows both Gurode and Davis to both be evaluated.

Point being I think all of us would like to see major changes with this team, but thats unlikely. Some new blood and a couple young solid vets might be all we see
 
Yeagermeister;3749369 said:
Bob Sanders can't stay healthy unless he signs a vet min with no bonus pass

thats what i was thinking. vet min. Im sure colts will release him and no team will touch him for anything more then the vet min
 
jobberone;3749384 said:
Why waste a roster spot on Sanders? He can't stay on the field.

because during the offseason dallas can have up alot of players on the team. I didnt say he would be on gameday roster. I said no harm in bringing him in and seeing whats there.
 
Well a couple I want gone are Alan Ball and a new nose tackle.Ratliff hasn't been the same in the middle this year.Move Ratiliff to the end.
 
No way on sanders. the guy is overrated even when he is healthy which is once in a blue moon. A progress stopper.

We need a real FS.
Carimi is a thought.
Mankins is a MUST.
agree with the cuts.
Brooking is gone anyway how about seeing if he would like to coach LBs?
I do agree that our staff needs to be totally blown up. Outside of STs and WRs let em all go.
 
burmafrd;3749444 said:
No way on sanders. the guy is overrated even when he is healthy which is once in a blue moon. A progress stopper.

We need a real FS.
Carimi is a thought.
Mankins is a MUST.
agree with the cuts.
Brooking is gone anyway how about seeing if he would like to coach LBs?
I do agree that our staff needs to be totally blown up. Outside of STs and WRs let em all go.

No harm in bringing sanders in for a look. If dallas were to be able to get one of the top 2 CBs in the draft i would love to see Newman switched to FS. Or maybe even Scandrick. Wouldnt even mind Bethea, but Dallas SS next yr should be Deunta Williams no doubt about it.
 
Can someone explain to me the role of Defensive Lineman in a 3-4?

I know schemes can vary, but I always thought DEs and NTs in a 3-4 had a similar role. And that often they could easily flip flop from DE to NT.

The proto typical 3-4 DL needs to engage/occupy offensive lineman allowing LBs to make plays.
If that player also has the quickness to shoot gaps, that's a bonus because it allows you to change up what you're doing.

Point I'm making is I don't understand the obsession with moving Ratliff the DE. I don't believe his talent or skill set would be any better utilized at DE than NT in a 3-4.

For those who feel he can't anchor well enough against the double teams, I have a questions.
Do you really feel 3-4 DE never or seldom get double teamed?
Are they seldom the point of attack?

Ratliff was much better last season and the year before. I can only speculate that this may be health related.

But I do feel it's safe to say that opposing OCs aren't doing anything different to him this season.

I wouldn't mind bringing in a big rookie 3-4 DL to take some NT snaps allowing us to move Ratliff around some and to give him more snaps off. Resting him a little more could be key down the stretch.

But Ratliff needs to remain our starter at NT. He's our best DL and I always felt a 3-4 teams best DL had the most impact at NT.
 
sonnyboy;3749491 said:
Can someone explain to me the role of Defensive Lineman in a 3-4?

I know schemes can vary, but I always thought DEs and NTs in a 3-4 had a similar role. And that often they could easily flip flop from DE to NT.

The proto typical 3-4 DL needs to engage/occupy offensive lineman allowing LBs to make plays.
If that player also has the quickness to shoot gaps, that's a bonus because it allows you to change up what you're doing.

Point I'm making is I don't understand the obsession with moving Ratliff the DE. I don't believe his talent or skill set would be any better utilized at DE than NT in a 3-4.

For those who feel he can't anchor well enough against the double teams, I have a questions.
Do you really feel 3-4 DE never or seldom get double teamed?
Are they seldom the point of attack?

Ratliff was much better last season and the year before. I can only speculate that this may be health related.

But I do feel it's safe to say that opposing OCs aren't doing anything different to him this season.

I wouldn't mind bringing in a big rookie 3-4 DL to take some NT snaps allowing us to move Ratliff around some and to give him more snaps off. Resting him a little more could be key down the stretch.

But Ratliff needs to remain our starter at NT. He's our best DL and I always felt a 3-4 teams best DL had the most impact at NT.

I havent watched the film or anything but I would say teams are focusing more on him since Igor isnt a threat and Bowen/Hatcher are just ok.



As for Sanders, he was a missile when healthy. Id love to have a healthy version.

But if we didnt go after Atogwe b/c a shoulder then Sanders is not happening
 
sonnyboy;3749491 said:
Can someone explain to me the role of Defensive Lineman in a 3-4?

I know schemes can vary, but I always thought DEs and NTs in a 3-4 had a similar role. And that often they could easily flip flop from DE to NT.

The proto typical 3-4 DL needs to engage/occupy offensive lineman allowing LBs to make plays.
If that player also has the quickness to shoot gaps, that's a bonus because it allows you to change up what you're doing.

Point I'm making is I don't understand the obsession with moving Ratliff the DE. I don't believe his talent or skill set would be any better utilized at DE than NT in a 3-4.

For those who feel he can't anchor well enough against the double teams, I have a questions.
Do you really feel 3-4 DE never or seldom get double teamed?
Are they seldom the point of attack?

Ratliff was much better last season and the year before. I can only speculate that this may be health related.

But I do feel it's safe to say that opposing OCs aren't doing anything different to him this season.

I wouldn't mind bringing in a big rookie 3-4 DL to take some NT snaps allowing us to move Ratliff around some and to give him more snaps off. Resting him a little more could be key down the stretch.

But Ratliff needs to remain our starter at NT. He's our best DL and I always felt a 3-4 teams best DL had the most impact at NT.

because its wearing him out thats why. thats part of the reason why parcells didnt put l. glover at the nose. yeah ratliff can play the posistion. but hes part of the reason dallas has huge holes up the middle alot. he cant occupy bodies and keep them off james and brooking.

Imagine a big body collapsing the middle. bring in ratliff and ware from one side, spears occupying the tackle. spencer blitzing along with a safty. this is called confussion. and how the steeler ravens pats attack. Dallas reacts because they have holes.

individual numbers mean squat, its the team concept that should matter.
 
LatinMind;3749366 said:
With this years embarrassment I can see quite a few changes from top to bottom. You can see a never before seen look of humiliation on Jerrys face these days. And thats not a bad thing. It good to suffer humiility to grow.

First i think Coaches will see a new faces.

Hudson Houck - either the game has just passed him by or the talent if worse then everybody thought. I think its a little bit of the 2. Of all the offensive coaches i think he'll be the one to go.

DC - Its clear that no coach on this team is qualified to be a DC. I think we might see a whole new set of coaches on the def side of the ball. There's a few coaches i wouldnt mind seeing in Dallas as DC

Dennis Thurman - DB coach Jets
Pepper Johnson - DL coach Patriots
Ray Horton - DB coach Steelers
Keith Butler - LB coach Steelers

Head Coach - Im still not sold on Garrett, while the team is responding to his belief in accountability and discipline. I dont like his game plans one bit. IMO somebody needs to be brought in to save Garrett from himself. I just dont know if that will happen. A guy like Russ Grimm to instill a running game would do wonders for this team. But as far as HC goes, I think Jerry wants Garrett as his HC and it will be Garrett. If thats the right choice we'll see.

Key Releases before Camp

You could release 3/4 of this team and on all the sports shows and fan forums they would say about time and talk about genius. But in reality there will be few releases.

Igor Olshanski - Some say he was just as good as Canty but we've found out that while canty wasnt worth 30+ mil. He was worlds better then Igor. CUT

Marc Colombo - A warrior, the enforcer of the OL and one mean mutha...nevermind. Injuries cut this guys career in half and its run its course. The guy just cant move anymore. Released

Gerald Sensabaugh - Waste of a roster spot. The guy is one of the stupidest players on the NFL. CUT!

Marion Barber - Time to say goodbye. He might be servicable on another team, but The Cowboys have two better backs. Released

FreeAgency

With Godell coming out and saying he thinks there could be a Collective Bargaining deal by the Superbowl freeagency looks like it will be stocked with alot of nice talent. Alot of players that accepted them tenders this yr will be UFA in 2011.

NOw i dont know how realistic any of these guys will be in Dallas or if they have any interest in Dallas. I'd love to see them wearing a star tho.

Logan Mankins G, the guy is just probably the best OG in football. While he was out the Pats had no running game. I dont think theres any coincidence that when he comes back the OL for the Pats is dominating.

Marcus Spears DE, Guy is Missed dearly vs the run. He wont cash in and Dallas is the perfect fit

Josh Brent NT, Dallas needs to bring him back. With a whole offseason with the team I really think he could be next yrs starting NT and will allow the cowboys to move Ratliff to DE.

Bob Sanders S, I know people wouldnt like this. But nothing wrong with bringing him for a look. WHEN healthy the guy is a monster.

Haruki Nakamura S, Role player for the Ravens. But really who is going to play over Ed Reed? Bring this guy in. He plays with alot of speed and fire.

DRAFT

Point blank Dallas can no longer afford having these horrible drafts. Their Talent runs as far as the starters with a couple subs being decent. But realistically The Cowboys depth is pretty much garbage. Due to alot of bad drafts.

RD1
Gabe Carimi T, Wisconsin - Leave Free on in the left side. Draft Carimi to be the next RT. Guy is huge and strong. Not only that he run blocks like a wild man playing at wisconsin. I want one of them Cb at this spot too, but they probably wont be there when Dallas drafts.

RD2
Deunta Williams S, UNC - Guy had some problems this yr eligibility and then close friends mom dying. Got sidetracked. The Next woody. Even if u have t trade up a little. Get this guy. I wouldnt be suprised to see Stefen Wisniewski here

RD3
Mike Pouncey C/G, Florida - OL needs new blood. This kind of pick allows both Gurode and Davis to both be evaluated.

Point being I think all of us would like to see major changes with this team, but thats unlikely. Some new blood and a couple young solid vets might be all we see

Good start for a discussion concerning change coming to our Cowboys...thanks for the post. It is a thought provoker.

But when there is more than a single fox raiding a chicken coop, trails often are hard to distinguish and pinpoint routes of access and regress.

On the offensive line, if the offensive tackles dominate the outside, then Felix Jones and a strong passing attack thrives. I liked your addition of a 'rook' top level to fill in here. A dominant and physical presence to aide or replace a less mobile Marc Colombo is a major point in my tally page. The interior can be worked around a stable set of offensive tackles that don't demand a tight end attached at the hip every passing down.

Myself, I like the concept of a much more mobile and dependable replacement for Leonard Davis. I don't resent the man in the least, but do wish an upgrade to attacking features and blitzes by opponents. I would pay for talent at this position.

The box area on both sides of the ball have to be upgraded on this team. That is where games are being lost in close contests. Pressure upon opponents are leaking out of the mix.

On the defensive side of the ball, I don't want merely highly mobile linemen, but bulkworks that dominate a ten yard radius around themselves. Let the hord of linebackers be the mobile elements in this 3-4 defense. Bring physicality back to the line of scrimmage for Dallas.

Wade Phillips has departed, so should shoot the gaps. Dominate and defend...up front, and let the linebackers earn their keep by making and forcing opponents to own up to THEM!

Thanks for the thought process you encouraged in your posting....:star:
 
CCBoy;3749525 said:
Good start for a discussion concerning change coming to our Cowboys...thanks for the post. It is a thought provoker.

But when there is more than a single fox raiding a chicken coop, trails often are hard to distinguish and pinpoint routes of access and regress.

On the offensive line, if the offensive tackles dominate the outside, then Felix Jones and a strong passing attack thrives. I liked your addition of a 'rook' top level to fill in here. A dominant and physical presence to aide or replace a less mobile Marc Colombo is a major point in my tally page. The interior can be worked around a stable set of offensive tackles that don't demand a tight end attached at the hip every passing down.

Myself, I like the concept of a much more mobile and dependable replacement for Leonard Davis. I don't resent the man in the least, but do wish an upgrade to attacking features and blitzes by opponents. I would pay for talent at this position.

The box area on both sides of the ball have to be upgraded on this team. That is where games are being lost in close contests. Pressure upon opponents are leaking out of the mix.

On the defensive side of the ball, I don't highly mobile linemen, but bulkworks that dominate a ten yard radius around themselves. Let the hord of linebackers be the mobile elements in this 3-4 defense. Bring physicality back to the line of scrimmage for Dallas.

Wade Phillips has departed, so should shoot the gaps. Dominate and defend...up front, and let the linebackers earn their keep by making and forcing opponents to own up to THEM!

Thanks for the thought process you encouraged in your posting....:star:

That inside element on the OL is why id hope for a two guys being brought in in Mankins and Pouncey. Mankins would automatically make Free legit because hes just simply the best and can handle one on ones and allow free to concentrate on the man to the outside rather then have the guard posistion in the back of his mind. Pouncey can play both Center or Guard. And dont foret about Kosier. I wouldnt mind seeing Kosier moved to Rg and Davis released or moved to a Backup role while Pouncey starts. Alot of options drafting a guy like Pouncey.

I agree about the DL. The focal point in a 3-4 defense should always be on the LB core. Dallas needs players who can keep the big bodies off of them. Ratliff is a great player but he leaves holes up the middle and doesnt keep the bodies off bradie and brookings.
 
O-line man and secondary are needed asap. I really would like an everydown back. Felix is a change of pace and Barber blows. Choice is probably our best overall back but I would like an upgrade. Maybe a late draft pick. But O line and secondary first
 
TheHasBeens;3749547 said:
O-line man and secondary are needed asap. I really would like an everydown back. Felix is a change of pace and Barber blows. Choice is probably our best overall back but I would like an upgrade. Maybe a late draft pick. But O line and secondary first

i doubt dallas goes after any RBs until they get a compitent OL. And see what they truly have in Choice/Jones. I actually think dallas has its 3 RBs on the roster for 2011 already. Choice, Jones, Lonyae Miller
 
I think O-Line has to be the #1 priority. We are spernding a lot of money on superstar offensive players and our offense could be so much better if we had a better O-Line. Give the superstar guys (Romo, Witten, Felix, Austin & Dez) some protection and let them do what they do best. Then we can add a guy or 2 on defense to help plug some gaps.
 
LatinMind;3749389 said:
because during the offseason dallas can have up alot of players on the team. I didnt say he would be on gameday roster. I said no harm in bringing him in and seeing whats there.

I wouldn't waste the time. You can look at someone else who can be expected to play most of the season.
 
LatinMind;3749366 said:
With this years embarrassment I can see quite a few changes from top to bottom. You can see a never before seen look of humiliation on Jerrys face these days. And thats not a bad thing. It good to suffer humiility to grow.

First i think Coaches will see a new faces.

Hudson Houck - either the game has just passed him by or the talent if worse then everybody thought. I think its a little bit of the 2. Of all the offensive coaches i think he'll be the one to go.

DC - Its clear that no coach on this team is qualified to be a DC. I think we might see a whole new set of coaches on the def side of the ball. There's a few coaches i wouldnt mind seeing in Dallas as DC

Dennis Thurman - DB coach Jets
Pepper Johnson - DL coach Patriots
Ray Horton - DB coach Steelers
Keith Butler - LB coach Steelers

Head Coach - Im still not sold on Garrett, while the team is responding to his belief in accountability and discipline. I dont like his game plans one bit. IMO somebody needs to be brought in to save Garrett from himself. I just dont know if that will happen. A guy like Russ Grimm to instill a running game would do wonders for this team. But as far as HC goes, I think Jerry wants Garrett as his HC and it will be Garrett. If thats the right choice we'll see.

Key Releases before Camp

You could release 3/4 of this team and on all the sports shows and fan forums they would say about time and talk about genius. But in reality there will be few releases.

Igor Olshanski - Some say he was just as good as Canty but we've found out that while canty wasnt worth 30+ mil. He was worlds better then Igor. CUT

Marc Colombo - A warrior, the enforcer of the OL and one mean mutha...nevermind. Injuries cut this guys career in half and its run its course. The guy just cant move anymore. Released

Gerald Sensabaugh - Waste of a roster spot. The guy is one of the stupidest players on the NFL. CUT!

Marion Barber - Time to say goodbye. He might be servicable on another team, but The Cowboys have two better backs. Released

FreeAgency

With Godell coming out and saying he thinks there could be a Collective Bargaining deal by the Superbowl freeagency looks like it will be stocked with alot of nice talent. Alot of players that accepted them tenders this yr will be UFA in 2011.

NOw i dont know how realistic any of these guys will be in Dallas or if they have any interest in Dallas. I'd love to see them wearing a star tho.

Logan Mankins G, the guy is just probably the best OG in football. While he was out the Pats had no running game. I dont think theres any coincidence that when he comes back the OL for the Pats is dominating.

Marcus Spears DE, Guy is Missed dearly vs the run. He wont cash in and Dallas is the perfect fit

Josh Brent NT, Dallas needs to bring him back. With a whole offseason with the team I really think he could be next yrs starting NT and will allow the cowboys to move Ratliff to DE.

Bob Sanders S, I know people wouldnt like this. But nothing wrong with bringing him for a look. WHEN healthy the guy is a monster.

Haruki Nakamura S, Role player for the Ravens. But really who is going to play over Ed Reed? Bring this guy in. He plays with alot of speed and fire.

DRAFT

Point blank Dallas can no longer afford having these horrible drafts. Their Talent runs as far as the starters with a couple subs being decent. But realistically The Cowboys depth is pretty much garbage. Due to alot of bad drafts.

RD1
Gabe Carimi T, Wisconsin - Leave Free on in the left side. Draft Carimi to be the next RT. Guy is huge and strong. Not only that he run blocks like a wild man playing at wisconsin. I want one of them Cb at this spot too, but they probably wont be there when Dallas drafts.

RD2
Deunta Williams S, UNC - Guy had some problems this yr eligibility and then close friends mom dying. Got sidetracked. The Next woody. Even if u have t trade up a little. Get this guy. I wouldnt be suprised to see Stefen Wisniewski here

RD3
Mike Pouncey C/G, Florida - OL needs new blood. This kind of pick allows both Gurode and Davis to both be evaluated.

Point being I think all of us would like to see major changes with this team, but thats unlikely. Some new blood and a couple young solid vets might be all we see


I don't want to see Dallas release people wholesale without having the personnel to replace them first. Releasing Hamlin for Ball was a mistake. And I still wonder if anyone on the coaching staff talked to Flo about moving to RT before he was released. Keep Olshanski and Sensabaugh to complete for their jobs. Columbo appears done, old age and injuries. MB . . . releasing him means you positive FJ will be healthy for the year. Iffy, but I see the point. He's not the same player as even two years ago.

FA - would love to see Mankins here. I thought Brent was already under contract for 2011?
If (big if) Indy releases Sanders, he's gonna get more than a vet min contract. Indy will renegotiate and he'll stay.

Draft. Dallas will pick somewhere around #10. Too high for Carimi. Better a DB or DL. And Pouncey will likely be gone before the third round.
 
You could bring Sanders in, but he won't sign for the minimum.
 
LatinMind;3749366 said:
DRAFT

Point blank Dallas can no longer afford having these horrible drafts. Their Talent runs as far as the starters with a couple subs being decent. But realistically The Cowboys depth is pretty much garbage. Due to alot of bad drafts.

RD1
Gabe Carimi T, Wisconsin - Leave Free on in the left side. Draft Carimi to be the next RT. Guy is huge and strong. Not only that he run blocks like a wild man playing at wisconsin. I want one of them Cb at this spot too, but they probably wont be there when Dallas drafts.

RD2
Deunta Williams S, UNC - Guy had some problems this yr eligibility and then close friends mom dying. Got sidetracked. The Next woody. Even if u have t trade up a little. Get this guy. I wouldnt be suprised to see Stefen Wisniewski here

RD3
Mike Pouncey C/G, Florida - OL needs new blood. This kind of pick allows both Gurode and Davis to both be evaluated.

Point being I think all of us would like to see major changes with this team, but thats unlikely. Some new blood and a couple young solid vets might be all we see

I don't know anything about the players, but I would like to see this kind of draft as long as they don't reach on any players.

And like you, I'm not totally sold on Garrett, but I'm becoming more optimistic.
 

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