Cheating the post-Romo era

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Finding a franchise QB is the hardest thing NFL personnel people have to do. Some franchises go through years of mediocrity, and much worse, simply because they can't find their guys. During those times, a lot of these teams waste a lot of high draft picks reaching for quarterbacks instead of drafting impact players at other positions. While they're messing with QB prospects that they drafted way too high and who fail way more often than they don't, talent at other positions suffers.

The problem is that very few college QBs play in offenses where they have to read defenses, make quick decisions and accurate throws into tiny windows. Even fewer have the innate ability to do those things well. What there is a ton of coming out of college these days, though, is athletic quarterbacks who can run the ball like RBs and throw the ball ok too. The reasons we're given to explain why these QBs and the college offenses in which they thrive can't succeed at the NFL level are: 1) defensive players are too big and too fast for those offenses to work, and 2) quarterbacks who run are going to get hurt.

Although we haven't seen a full-blown zone option offense in the NFL, I think #1 has been disproved to some degree. They are pretty successful running zone read stuff in San Fran and Seattle, and when Griffin was healthy, the Washington zone read was devastating. As far as QBs getting injured, if they're as skinny and bull-headed as Robert Griffen, yeah, it's a matter of time. But why is a QB who runs the ball any more prone to injury than a back who runs the ball 25-30 times a game? If you have smart, stout players and manage their snaps, I don't see the issue. If you aren't depending on your QB to get in a passing rhythm, play a couple or a few.

With the run-blocking power of its OL, I think the Cowboys are uniquely positioned to do something like this, play an offense similar to the one we see in Auburn. Taysom Hill, Braxton Miller, Nick Marshall, Everett Golson, Jacoby Brissett and Trevone Boykin can all probably be had from the fourth round on. Prescott and Hundly prolly somewhere from 2-3. Draft a couple of these guys, pick up another similar player or two in UDFA to stash on the PS, activate Ryan Williams to the 53 and maul some teams. Done whole hog, with professional precision and the right personnel, I think something like this may work. Meanwhile, you can be building the defense and stocking depth everywhere else.

Of course, Romo's gonna be around a while longer. And maybe it's really not feasible. Maybe it won't work at the pro level, or maybe only for a while. Wouldn't you like to see somebody try it, though? With talented players tailored for that kind of game, it'd have to be better than years of Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter and a bunch of 55-year-old retreads, no?
 

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The problem with a lot of athletic QBs are pretty simple. Athletic quarterbacks from the time they are in pee wee league, the coaches just make them run. They don't teach them how to back up and throw it, because they want to win, and the best way to do that is have the most athletic person on the field, simply run all day long. No one can stop it.

As they move towards junior high, same thing. They throw only when have to, and usually only have 1 read. Move towards high school and then College. When coaches, or tutors start to take these QBs from the time they are young, and actually teach them how to read defenses, and throw accurately, then this theme will change.

The slow unathletic QBs usually have a father or someone to train them personally, they can't run so they are taught to back up, scan the area, and fire it accurately down field. So, me personally, I'd like to "one day" start a summer camp where I teach athletic QBs how to read defenses, throw accurately, and charge basically nothing for it. If we ever found a QB combination of Vick & Peyton Manning, wow!
 

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The fact that Dustin Vaughn is still on the roster is pretty telling in my opinion....nfl teams don't waste a roster spot on guys who have no future with the team. Don't be surprised when we don't draft a QB again.
 

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The fact that Dustin Vaughn is still on the roster is pretty telling in my opinion....nfl teams don't waste a roster spot on guys who have no future with the team. Don't be surprised when we don't draft a QB again.

ever heard of stephen mcgee? or curtis painter? lol happens all the time.
 

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ever heard of stephen mcgee? or curtis painter? lol happens all the time.

Undrafted rookie free agents QB's get hand picked from tiny schools and left on the 53 man roster the entire season all the time? Especially on a team that needs to utilize as many of those 53 players as possible for a thin defense? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not proclaiming Dustin Vaughn as the qb of the future by any means, but at least one person with a lot of say within the organization must like this kid. Its the only explanation as to why they didn't even attempt to put him on the PS.
 

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Undrafted rookie free agents QB's get hand picked from tiny schools and left on the 53 man roster the entire season all the time? Especially on a team that needs to utilize as many of those 53 players as possible for a thin defense? I don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not proclaiming Dustin Vaughn as the qb of the future by any means, but at least one person with a lot of say within the organization must like this kid. Its the only explanation as to why they didn't even attempt to put him on the PS.

Austin Davis comes to mind, sure they might like Dustin but he is probably nothing more then a career backup. The chances of catching lightening in a bottle twice is pretty slim and I wouldn't bank on those odds. We lucked into Romo, before that it was total garbage
 

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no way to know what vaughn can be. the odds are against him but hopefuly he can develope into atleast a solid backup for us. the most imprtant thing about being a qb is reading defenses, handling the pressure and having an accurate arm with decent arm strength. being mobile is more like gravey. it's nice to have a guy who can run for a 1st down but the arm and the head are the most imprtant things.
 

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no way to know what vaughn can be. the odds are against him but hopefuly he can develope into atleast a solid backup for us. the most imprtant thing about being a qb is reading defenses, handling the pressure and having an accurate arm with decent arm strength. being mobile is more like gravey. it's nice to have a guy who can run for a 1st down but the arm and the head are the most imprtant things.

I agree, frankly I don't care much for the Vick or RGIII type QB who are quick to run and once the legs start to go so does their ability as QB. QB's get hit enough don't need them trying to be RB.
 

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Austin Davis comes to mind, sure they might like Dustin but he is probably nothing more then a career backup. The chances of catching lightening in a bottle twice is pretty slim and I wouldn't bank on those odds. We lucked into Romo, before that it was total garbage

I'm not disagreeing with you at all...and I'm also not pretending to know anything about Vaughan either. I just think its a real possibility that the team sticks with Vaughan another year rather than draft a mid round QB. You don't keep a guy on the roster all year like this to replace him the next year. Wouldn't make any sense. Now if a QB falls to us in the 1st it could be a different story....
 

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The fact that Dustin Vaughn is still on the roster is pretty telling in my opinion....nfl teams don't waste a roster spot on guys who have no future with the team. Don't be surprised when we don't draft a QB again.

Stephen McGee comes to mind. Wasted on spot on him for what 3 seasons?
 

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Finding a franchise QB is the hardest thing NFL personnel people have to do. Some franchises go through years of mediocrity, and much worse, simply because they can't find their guys. During those times, a lot of these teams waste a lot of high draft picks reaching for quarterbacks instead of drafting impact players at other positions. While they're messing with QB prospects that they drafted way too high and who fail way more often than they don't, talent at other positions suffers.

The problem is that very few college QBs play in offenses where they have to read defenses, make quick decisions and accurate throws into tiny windows. Even fewer have the innate ability to do those things well. What there is a ton of coming out of college these days, though, is athletic quarterbacks who can run the ball like RBs and throw the ball ok too. The reasons we're given to explain why these QBs and the college offenses in which they thrive can't succeed at the NFL level are: 1) defensive players are too big and too fast for those offenses to work, and 2) quarterbacks who run are going to get hurt.

Although we haven't seen a full-blown zone option offense in the NFL, I think #1 has been disproved to some degree. They are pretty successful running zone read stuff in San Fran and Seattle, and when Griffin was healthy, the Washington zone read was devastating. As far as QBs getting injured, if they're as skinny and bull-headed as Robert Griffen, yeah, it's a matter of time. But why is a QB who runs the ball any more prone to injury than a back who runs the ball 25-30 times a game? If you have smart, stout players and manage their snaps, I don't see the issue. If you aren't depending on your QB to get in a passing rhythm, play a couple or a few.

With the run-blocking power of its OL, I think the Cowboys are uniquely positioned to do something like this, play an offense similar to the one we see in Auburn. Taysom Hill, Braxton Miller, Nick Marshall, Everett Golson, Jacoby Brissett and Trevone Boykin can all probably be had from the fourth round on. Prescott and Hundly prolly somewhere from 2-3. Draft a couple of these guys, pick up another similar player or two in UDFA to stash on the PS, activate Ryan Williams to the 53 and maul some teams. Done whole hog, with professional precision and the right personnel, I think something like this may work. Meanwhile, you can be building the defense and stocking depth everywhere else.

Of course, Romo's gonna be around a while longer. And maybe it's really not feasible. Maybe it won't work at the pro level, or maybe only for a while. Wouldn't you like to see somebody try it, though? With talented players tailored for that kind of game, it'd have to be better than years of Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter and a bunch of 55-year-old retreads, no?

i would keep my eye on J.T. Barrett from Ohio State, I think he could become really good and will come out about the time we need to replace Romo
 

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ever heard of stephen mcgee? or curtis painter? lol happens all the time.
The difference is that those guys were either on the practice squad or the number 2. Dallas not wanting to risk losing Vaughan by hoping to sneak him on the PS is pretty telling of what they think of him.

Whether he will be a good player or not is impossible to know, and there's a good chance he sucks. But the coaches must see something in him to keep him on the 53.
 

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I don't want a "athletic" QB. Look at them. Wilson is not a true running QB. He stays in the pocket moves around and jeeps looking at his reads before he has to run.

RG3, Newton, Kaep, Vick are not long lasting styles. Look at the SB winners and the teams with the top records now. All pocket passers. Get me a smart true pocket passer that has some athletic ability to be able to scramble and move in the pocket. But I dont want a QB that looks at the first read then where he is covered just tucks and runs.
 

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CODY kessler is looking great this year and looks like a true NFL pocket passer. He needs to stay one more year and said he will. I say build this defense and next year look to go after Kessler or a style like him.
 

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The fact that Dustin Vaughn is still on the roster is pretty telling in my opinion....nfl teams don't waste a roster spot on guys who have no future with the team. Don't be surprised when we don't draft a QB again.

I just watched one of Vaughn's games in college and most of his passing plays in pre-season again. The guy has a really good arm, athletic, but never took a snap under center in college. Didn't have to read defenses in college either. I think that will be his biggest hurtle in the transition to the NFL. I am not sure how long it will take or if he is capable of learning that part of the game. One other positive I saw was that he is the a time-Weeden as far as staring down his receivers. Goes through his progressions quickly and really doesn't lock on the receiver. One negative is that he has small hands. Not great for a QB.

Just my 2cents on the guy.
 

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I just watched one of Vaughn's games in college and most of his passing plays in pre-season again. The guy has a really good arm, athletic, but never took a snap under center in college. Didn't have to read defenses in college either. I think that will be his biggest hurtle in the transition to the NFL. I am not sure how long it will take or if he is capable of learning that part of the game. One other positive I saw was that he is the a time-Weeden as far as staring down his receivers. Goes through his progressions quickly and really doesn't lock on the receiver. One negative is that he has small hands. Not great for a QB.

Just my 2cents on the guy.

Forgot to add that he was something like 38-1 as a starter in college and not bad at the play action.
 
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