Chicken or the Egg

[rabidcowfan]

I call this thread that because there are two distinct camps when it comes to the first pick inthe draft. One camp would like a pass rusher or CB (chicken) to enhance the defense. Theother camp will take a stout interior lineman (egg) to solidify the offense. Eack supposes that thier way will make the other unit and team better. I submitfor discussion that we should take the interior lineman or egg route for the followingreasons:

The offense has elite type players at the skillpositions and with a reasonable line can impose their will on teams they areplaying against. Barring injuries (Romo, Murray, Felix, Austin and FB) or Growing pains (DEZ) we haveall of the skill pieces to do anything at any time we want.​

Being able to run the ball when we NEED to willkeep leads at the end of the game and the defense on the sidelines. Too manytimes we have been unable to control the clock through a run game to sealvictory late.
Currently, we use the pass to hopefully setupthe run. More times than not, we cannot establish enough of a running game tostick with it, and we become one dimensional. This allows opposing defenses topin their ears back and tee off on Romo. It would be nice to actually have anoffense that could run what they want effectively given what a defenseprovides. If they stack for run, we pass. But, if they play pass, we can effectivelyrun against them.

We now have 3 active and young ILBs vs. the 1 wehad last year. We have a nice press coverage corner now that has proven consistencyto play opposite Jenkins. We have upgraded the safety position to some degree.With these additions through free agency, we should be able to occasionallyallow another second for our current pass rush to get to the opposing QB. I don’tthink we are one pass rusher away from being elite on defense. Not do I feelthat we a going to find an upgrade to Jenkins or Scandrick in the draft. Wecould find an upgrade to safety, but again I don’t think it enough to make uselite.

We will have improved play from the line just byswitching Free and Tyron. We will also have a year to improve the strength oflast year’s LAMBS. I still hold hope forKiller being our center of the future.​

Drafting a blue chip interior lineman is farless risky that drafting a DE, OLD, or CB at the 14th pick.

If we can’t get Decastro at 14, I would like totrade back for a stud center or another of the above average guards available inthe first and garner some additional picks.

With a solid line, we can be elite on offenseand we are only 1-2 players away from that happening. We cannot draft enough defensiveplayers to be elite on defense.

I’d rather be the Saints (Bountygate not withstanding) than the Ravens

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(please excuse grammar, structure, or spelling)

 

[Hoofbite]

I call this thread that because there are two distinct camps when it comes to the first pick inthe draft. One camp would like a pass rusher or CB (chicken) to enhance the defense. Theother camp will take a stout interior lineman (egg) to solidify the offense. Eack supposes that thier way will make the other unit and team better. I submitfor discussion that we should take the interior lineman or egg route for the followingreasons:

The offense has elite type players at the skillpositions and with a reasonable line can impose their will on teams they areplaying against. Barring injuries (Romo, Murray, Felix, Austin and FB) or Growing pains (DEZ) we haveall of the skill pieces to do anything at any time we want.​

Being able to run the ball when we NEED to willkeep leads at the end of the game and the defense on the sidelines. Too manytimes we have been unable to control the clock through a run game to sealvictory late.
Currently, we use the pass to hopefully setupthe run. More times than not, we cannot establish enough of a running game tostick with it, and we become one dimensional. This allows opposing defenses topin their ears back and tee off on Romo. It would be nice to actually have anoffense that could run what they want effectively given what a defenseprovides. If they stack for run, we pass. But, if they play pass, we can effectivelyrun against them.

We now have 3 active and young ILBs vs. the 1 wehad last year. We have a nice press coverage corner now that has proven consistencyto play opposite Jenkins. We have upgraded the safety position to some degree.With these additions through free agency, we should be able to occasionallyallow another second for our current pass rush to get to the opposing QB. I don’tthink we are one pass rusher away from being elite on defense. Not do I feelthat we a going to find an upgrade to Jenkins or Scandrick in the draft. Wecould find an upgrade to safety, but again I don’t think it enough to make uselite.

We will have improved play from the line just byswitching Free and Tyron. We will also have a year to improve the strength oflast year’s LAMBS. I still hold hope forKiller being our center of the future.​

Drafting a blue chip interior lineman is farless risky that drafting a DE, OLD, or CB at the 14th pick.

If we can’t get Decastro at 14, I would like totrade back for a stud center or another of the above average guards available inthe first and garner some additional picks.

With a solid line, we can be elite on offenseand we are only 1-2 players away from that happening. We cannot draft enough defensiveplayers to be elite on defense.

I’d rather be the Saints (Bountygate not withstanding) than the Ravens

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(please excuse grammar, structure, or spelling)

Well, I was going to forgive it all but the center justification was just too much.

 

[rabidcowfan]

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Well, I was going to forgive it all but the center justification was just too much.

yea it was a valid attempt to do the right thing with dismal results

 

[Zaxor]

some will tell you pass rusher is more vital because even Deion can't cover forever.

others will tell you CB is more important as even Ware can't sack a qb if all the qb needs to do is toss it in a direction because the CB can't cover.

I will tell you that both intertwine so much that both are needed.

 

[Bluestang]

I believe choosing between the two revolves around scheme the team runs:

1. In our scheme, RR likes to use blitzes with press man coverage. The CB is more coveted because of the skill set he must posses, not every corner can play man let alone have the technique set to play press. The job of the press corner is to prevent a free release and re-route the WR to disrupt the route so the rush can get to the QB. The reason he prefers press man is because the corners are left on islands because of the blitz packages he runs. He likes to bump-n-run your 2 main WRs and bracket your 3rd WR with the nickel CB and FS and the SS covers the TE. In 2 WR formation both guys are still played with bump-n-run technique but who he choses to bracket is a little bit more flexible, but one of the CBs is on the island.

Newman played off coverage regardless of down and distance because he couldn't play press and keep up with the man in front of him. Look at Rex Ryan's Jets, they have 3 press corners in Revis, Cromartie, and Wilson.


2. In a 4-man rush scheme like the Giants, Tampa, and Chicago the more coveted player is the rusher. You can rush 4 guys all you want but if you can't get to the QB it will be a long day for the defense. If those 4 guys are effective than it will be a long day for the offense. In these schemes you can make a decent corner look better than he actually is because he may not need to cover very long but it is all dependent on the rush. The Giants had issues early on because they had pass rushers that were hurt so their corners had to cover longer which didn't go well. Once those rushers got healthy and they used a steady rotation it was like clockwork.