Chiefs hire DeMarco Murray as RB Coach

[diamonddelts]

Staff and players need to hide their wives from Don Juan Demarco.

 

[plasticman]

I know about randle and that story still the quote was about Murray as i said. And he was right with it. Stupid guy or not.

Murray had fundamental problems after he hit open field or got thru the first line of the defense. Even moderator were making fun of him. And he never was good in goal line situations. Also a reason why his TD production was low even when we were such a run based team during his lone great season with us (2014).

In his rookie season murray avg 5.5 yds thats true. But he only started 7 games, the rest was backup role. Dont try to sugarcoat stuff so it fits your agenda. Every backup RB or change of pace back has high stats that arent compareable to the primary RB.

In the following season (2012) where he started 10 games his avg dropped to 4.1. Still ok but the big dropoff in production is noteworthy just because you try to make him look like he was exceptional. Which is not true.

And further its not true what you wrote. He never was productive before we assembled that great line:

His first 1k yrd season was in 2013. In that year the OL already had its final 4 members, with only RG Martin missing. And that RG we were fielding was Bernadeau, a bad pass protector but very good run blocker.

His "breakout" season was a year after with Martin in the lineup. He went for 1.8k, left Dallas to Philly and only started 8 games there. He went to Tennesee after that year were he lasted 2 seasons with 659 yds in his second and that was his career.

As i said Murray was an medicore back. He benefited temendously from our OL and our run based offense.

My agenda is defending truth against historical revisionism.

Murray carried the ball an average of 13 times per game for 5.5 yards his rookie year. But, of course, this was due to the brilliant O-line manned by LT Doug free, RT rookie Tyron Smith, LG Montrae Holland, RG Kyle Kosier, and C Phil Costa.

Meanwhile, the starter for the other half of the season, Felix Jones not only carried the ball less that season, but he also averaged a yard less per run than Murray. Tashard Choice was the 3rd back. he started one game and averaged 2.7 yards a carry.

Why didn't this offensive line carry them like they did Murray?

Two season later, they still don't have Zack Martin yet, Fredericks is a rookie and Murray averages 5.2 yards a carry on his way to a thousand-yard season and the Pro Bowl.

The following season, 2014, Murray breaks the Cowboys record for most yards in a single season.

Too much meat on the bone?

Murray outgained Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Herschel Walker and Emmitt Smith.

By the way, Emmitt had four O-linemen make the Pro Bowl in 1995. The other one was Erik Williams, post-car injury.

In 1996, four O-linemen made the Pro Bowl while two are 1st team All-Pro. So why did Emmitt only average 3.7 yards a carry in 1996? Did he leave too much meat on the bone?

Murray and the O-line had been together and practiced long enough to build something very special. They were fine tuned to each other. It is rare when the chemistry formed by a line and their RB is capable of that kind of production.

And Jerry let him walk because he believed the magic only existed in the O-line. He later discovered he was completely wrong so he drafted Zeke #4 overall in the next draft.

That legendary line coupled with the most productive back in college. When Zeke arrived the three All-Pro linemen had been playing together for two years.


So why did Zeke never surpass Murray's best season for average yards per carry, not even in his most elite years?

Every RB could have gained additional yardage as shown by the game tape. Pointing out the Cowboys record holder in yardage for a season is a questionable strategy for trying to prove mediocrity.

 

[kramskoi]

Some of you guys...insufferable. DeMarco was a good back when he wasnt dinged up in his early years. I get some grudges over the fumble and leaving for Philadelphia. The Joneses got their money for him that last season and refused to reward him for it so I dont blame him now for going to get his payday. It seemed to be wise on the Cowboys' part, but he was never used right in Philly. That fumble still upsets me, but we got there in large part on his back that year. He wore teams down, kept offenses off the field, and kept that clock running.

Nothing but love for DeMarco, but I am a Sooner fan. I sat directly behind him at an OKC Thunder game last season and he was there very low-key only attending with his daughter that was 6 or under. He was attentive to her all night. Gerald McCoy also walked up at halftime and talked with him for a bit. He graciously spoke with us, shook my hand, and took a selfie with me.

They rode him for 2,261 all-purpose yards. He was a bell-cow, good blocker and good receiver. Eight consecutive 100 yard games in 2014. He was a beast in that very special year. Pity that Dallas had a crappy defense. Rodgers (on a gimpy ankle) would not have survived that 2022 defense with Parsons and friends.

 

[Cmac]

Good for him. Well- earned, going up the ranks. Congratulations DeMarco.

 

[TwentyOne]

My agenda is defending truth against historical revisionism.

Defending the truth. Wow. Now you are going to extremes. You sound like some dogmatic fundamentslist ready to blow himself off inside a crowd. Sorry but from this sentence alone you certainly will understand that it will be tough for me to take you serious.

Defending the truth? Question is whos truth you really mean? People who use these kind of fighing-phrases usually dont have the guts to even think about if there is something like real truth.

Most of the time such people use those "battle cries" only to cover their real goals. And that is that they are not able to accept other aspects but want everybody to change to their way of thinking.

Its called bigotry or narrow-mindedness.

Murray carried the ball an average of 13 times per game for 5.5 yards his rookie year. But, of course, this was due to the brilliant O-line manned by LT Doug free, RT rookie Tyron Smith, LG Montrae Holland, RG Kyle Kosier, and C Phil Costa.

Well you sound like i said something different. But you were the one who said he carried the ball for over 1k without the great OL. I claryfied your wrong statement and also told you that this was in 2013.

Now you again exaggeragte by making fun of the OL. Yes tgis wasnt pur great line. But still the line wasnt bad like your narrative is trying to put it. This still were good OL players and good OL.

Why dont you show Murrays stats for the games he was the backup only. And compare those with the games during that season where he started? And put that into comparison with those of the other backs who played for us?

Too much work? Afraid you could find some "truths" that dont fit your "truth"?

Meanwhile, the starter for the other half of the season, Felix Jones not only carried the ball less that season, but he also averaged a yard less per run than Murray. Tashard Choice was the 3rd back. he started one game and averaged 2.7 yards a carry.

Why didn't this offensive line carry them like they did Murray?

Did you even followed the career of felix and what dallas did with him? Felix was forced to gain weight be ause they wanted him to be a runner he wasnt. Felix career went downhill because of that. He became a very bad rb. So saying Murray was so good because Felix was bad to me shows you try again to cherry pick stuff to make reality fit your points.

Honestly such conversations are boring because you have essentially no arguments but instead of trying to understand what i write you just try to disagree.

Thats a reason why i will stop posting about this with you after that post.

Two season later, they still don't have Zack Martin yet, Fredericks is a rookie and Murray averages 5.2 yards a carry on his way to a thousand-yard season and the Pro Bowl.

The following season, 2014, Murray breaks the Cowboys record for most yards in a single season.

Too much meat on the bone?

I think you still dont get the point. Its not about how much yards he gained. Its about how much he did not but could be able to.

So why did Zeke never surpass Murray's best season for average yards per carry, not even in his most elite years?

Well good question. It has nothing to do with Murrays problems in open space. And just brcause Zeke gained less yards doesnt make Murray an better back. But i am anxious to get an answer from you.

Some hints for you to think about:

New QB
Different approach in playcalling
Different defense

Take your time. Complex things take time to find answers. You said your goal is find the truth. And as you know the truth is a very complex thing.

Every RB could have gained additional yardage as shown by the game tape. Pointing out the Cowboys record holder in yardage for a season is a questionable strategy for trying to prove mediocrity.

You equal things that are not the same. Thats a usual mistake people make to prove their point.

Of course you are right. But most of the time those things are of academical nature. Every back could gain more. And every back puts work into it to do so. But good backs leave inches on the field. In Murrays case it was so obvious how lost he was when he got into open space. He lost not yards but so often big gains because of amateurish bad runs. And this was an ongoing problem with him.

 

[plasticman]

Defending the truth. Wow. Now you are going to extremes. You sound like some dogmatic fundamentslist ready to blow himself off inside a crowd. Sorry but from this sentence alone you certainly will understand that it will be tough for me to take you serious.

Defending the truth? Question is whos truth you really mean? People who use these kind of fighing-phrases usually dont have the guts to even think about if there is something like real truth.

Most of the time such people use those "battle cries" only to cover their real goals. And that is that they are not able to accept other aspects but want everybody to change to their way of thinking.

Its called bigotry or narrow-mindedness.


Well you sound like i said something different. But you were the one who said he carried the ball for over 1k without the great OL. I claryfied your wrong statement and also told you that this was in 2013.

Now you again exaggeragte by making fun of the OL. Yes tgis wasnt pur great line. But still the line wasnt bad like your narrative is trying to put it. This still were good OL players and good OL.

Why dont you show Murrays stats for the games he was the backup only. And compare those with the games during that season where he started? And put that into comparison with those of the other backs who played for us?

Too much work? Afraid you could find some "truths" that dont fit your "truth"?




Did you even followed the career of felix and what dallas did with him? Felix was forced to gain weight be ause they wanted him to be a runner he wasnt. Felix career went downhill because of that. He became a very bad rb. So saying Murray was so good because Felix was bad to me shows you try again to cherry pick stuff to make reality fit your points.

Honestly such conversations are boring because you have essentially no arguments but instead of trying to understand what i write you just try to disagree.

Thats a reason why i will stop posting about this with you after that post.



I think you still dont get the point. Its not about how much yards he gained. Its about how much he did not but could be able to.


Well good question. It has nothing to do with Murrays problems in open space. And just brcause Zeke gained less yards doesnt make Murray an better back. But i am anxious to get an answer from you.

Some hints for you to think about:

New QB
Different approach in playcalling
Different defense

Take your time. Complex things take time to find answers. You said your goal is find the truth. And as you know the truth is a very complex thing.



You equal things that are not the same. Thats a usual mistake people make to prove their point.

Of course you are right. But most of the time those things are of academical nature. Every back could gain more. And every back puts work into it to do so. But good backs leave inches on the field. In Murrays case it was so obvious how lost he was when he got into open space. He lost not yards but so often big gains because of amateurish bad runs. And this was an ongoing problem with him.

Where, in anything i have said, did I personally arrack your character, intelligence, or diligence?

And, by the way, let me say that I appreciate the time and the effort you took to respond to my posts. I am absolutely not being sarcastic.

I don't know your age so I don't know if you were watching the Cowboys during Murray's career here. I saw potential and really felt a spark beginning with Murray's rookie season.

Did you know that Murray was not the designated starter against the Rams his rookie year? he ran 25 times for 253 yards. The following week was his first start.

You now claim that the Cowboys had a "good" O-line during Murray's rookie season. Yet, three of the five were replaced the following year and they drafted O-linemen in the 1st round the next two years. How "good" could they have been?

I will leave you with the last word. This conversation has lasted longer than some of my relationships so perhaps we can debate another issue in the future.

 

[DandyDon52]

I thought that idiot Joseph Randle said that meat on the bone line?

yes he was the one.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

This is a solid deal. He'll be a big asset to that team.

 

[TwentyOne]

Where, in anything i have said, did I personally arrack your character, intelligence, or diligence?

You did not. No worries.

And, by the way, let me say that I appreciate the time and the effort you took to respond to my posts. I am absolutely not being sarcastic.

Thanks.

I don't know your age so I don't know if you were watching the Cowboys during Murray's career here. I saw potential and really felt a spark beginning with Murray's rookie season.

Did you know that Murray was not the designated starter against the Rams his rookie year? he ran 25 times for 253 yards. The following week was his first start.

I couldnt remember until you wrote it. But honestly i really do not understand what this has to do with our conversation. That doesnt make him a good back.

Murray also had a ~ 1.8k season where he had ~ 380 carries. He never came back from that load.

Zeke, just because you mentioned him to show me that Murray was so good, had a compareable load for the main part of his career in Dallas. He never had that one great season stats wise. now what? Is Murray better than Zeke? Emmitt has had the "same problem" if you wanna argue that way. Murray must have been better than him too?

See. Thats all rubbish. Its using certain facts out of context to trying to prove something you think is right. But it is not.

You also used Zekes rookie season to show how good Murray was. And thats also cheap. You certainly know that it took Zeke a while to get accustomed to the NFL. The lights for him turned on around the last third of his rookie year. In year 2 he was a completely different back and exactly what he was advertised.

And if anything that disturbs me in your way of conversation than this is a constsnt in your way of trying to show me you are right. I tell you that because you asked me in your first sentence.

I tell you 2+2=4.
This is a proven fact and it is also pretty obvious for the average educated person.

You dont want to accept that but instead of trying to give good reasons for it you answer with:
Its wrong because an apple is not an orange.

I tell you yes but this has nothing to do with what i stated. But you somehow dont understand and still come back the same way.

Now maybe thats a move you are aware of and do this on purpose? Or you are just like that and dont even notice your way? Idk.

Anyways.. You twist stuff, you are using extrems that are wrong and when i put them into perspective you try to use that in another extreme against me.

I already wrote to you: your way of talk is very boring and tiring. It leads to nothing because to me you are not one who gets value from other views. You are a polemic that only wants to deny stuff. Regardless of the way you need to go to do it.

So no, again, i dont feel offened. I just know such people like you and it is not worth spending my time with them.

Maybe thats also a reason your relationships tend to be very short? Looks like i am not the only one who thinks like this?!

You now claim that the Cowboys had a "good" O-line during Murray's rookie season. Yet, three of the five were replaced the following year and they drafted O-linemen in the 1st round the next two years. How "good" could they have been?

Its not that way.

You were trying to show me that Murray was a good back. So you put it like the OL in his first year was bad or at least not the reason he had such a good yds avg per run.

All i did is putting your extrem view into context. The line we had was good. It was not great but the problems of the line were mainly in pass pro. It was a top 15 line i would say maybe top 10. So nothing really special. Still a good line and so no reason to proof that Murray was the sole reason for his good stats.

I will leave you with the last word. This conversation has lasted longer than some of my relationships so perhaps we can debate another issue in the future.

Sorry to hear that. What will i say? To me its somehow shocking but also interessting to see that there are people out there that have the feeling 2 posts are a very long conversation. If someone would have told me i couldnt believed it.