Chuck 54 Draft Ideas

[Chuck 54]

• Don't draft any OL in round 1. We can't afford the ones we have now. It's been great having the best OG in football, but it's a luxury that doesn't really pay off in impact. I view resigning Martin in the similar vein as drafting a 1-Tech in round 1....don't do it! (Unless you're a team with no stars and lots of cap space). When you have the best player at any position, you have to pay him like the best player, so when he's the greatest player at a non-impact position, it's a luxury, unlikely to translate into wins. Martin is the best OG in football. If we had Leary and Collins at the guards, you can't convince me that we'd win fewer games because Martin was gone. At guard and DT and C and RT and LB/S, very good tier 1 players are just as good for you as having the greatest player.

1. ILB - Rashaan Evans, Alabama (unless another LB drops)
2. OG/C - Billy Price, Ohio State (Let Martin walk next year)
3. OLB/DE - Uchenna Nwosu, USC (OLB, but can rush from RDE in pass situations
4. a & b
5. .
6. . Use rounds 4-6 for WR, DB, RB, DT-1

 

[Risen Star]

I had no idea offensive linemen are "non-impact" positions. Noted.

 

[Chuck 54]

I had no idea offensive linemen are "non-impact" positions. Noted.

Come on, Risen. We're talking about having above average OG's like Leary and Collins vs the best guard in the league. Do you feel Martin's impact is worth making him the top paid guard in the league, not does he deserve it, but is it worth it to the team?
LT is another story...that's an impact position, and you pay TSmith for being the best. You don't need the best guy at RG, and I don't think your RG being the best vs. in the top third of guards wins you more games.

We all know that the 1-tech DT position needs to be improved, but we don't need a first round selection for that. Even Suh....he's the absolute best, but is he worth paying as the top 1-tech in football when he gets 4-5 sacks per year?

 

[Risen Star]

Come on, Risen. We're talking about having above average OG's like Leary and Collins vs the best guard in the league. Do you feel Martin's impact is worth making him the top paid guard in the league, not does he deserve it, but is it worth it to the team?
LT is another story...that's an impact position, and you pay TSmith for being the best. You don't need the best guy at RG, and I don't think your RG being the best vs. in the top third of guards wins you more games.

Yes, I feel like Zack Martin is worth paying. He's a dominator. He helps you win the line of scrimmage. Of course as a fan I'd want him to sign for as a little as possible for cap purposes but he definitely should be one of the top paid Gs in the league if not the very top and his impact on the field warrants it.

He just doesn't get his name called on the broadcast enough for everyone to notice.

 

[xwalker]

• Don't draft any OL in round 1. We can't afford the ones we have now. It's been great having the best OG in football, but it's a luxury that doesn't really pay off in impact. I view resigning Martin in the similar vein as drafting a 1-Tech in round 1....don't do it! (Unless you're a team with no stars and lots of cap space). When you have the best player at any position, you have to pay him like the best player, so when he's the greatest player at a non-impact position, it's a luxury, unlikely to translate into wins. Martin is the best OG in football. If we had Leary and Collins at the guards, you can't convince me that we'd win fewer games because Martin was gone. At guard and DT and C and RT and LB/S, very good tier 1 players are just as good for you as having the greatest player.

1. ILB - Rashaan Evans, Alabama (unless another LB drops)
2. OG/C - Billy Price, Ohio State (Let Martin walk next year)
3. OLB/DE - Uchenna Nwosu, USC (OLB, but can rush from RDE in pass situations
4. a & b
5. .
6. . Use rounds 4-6 for WR, DB, RB, DT-1

4-3 LBs are similar to OGs in that good-enough 4-3 LBs can be obtained for less than many other positions or found in the mid rounds of the draft.

 

[jnday]

I had no idea offensive linemen are "non-impact" positions. Noted.

The only success the team has had in recent years was due to the line dominating games. I guess the team can depend on the great defense to win games now. Atlanta showed how well Dak handles pressure with second rate linemen.

 

[Risen Star]

The only success the team has had in recent years was due to the line dominating games. I guess the team can depend on the great defense to win games now. Atlanta showed how well Dak handles pressure with second rate linemen.

Scary how so many look for "good enough" along the offensive line and then covet cornerbacks so intensely.

They know not what they watch.

 

[Dhragon]

• Don't draft any OL in round 1. We can't afford the ones we have now. It's been great having the best OG in football, but it's a luxury that doesn't really pay off in impact. I view resigning Martin in the similar vein as drafting a 1-Tech in round 1....don't do it! (Unless you're a team with no stars and lots of cap space). When you have the best player at any position, you have to pay him like the best player, so when he's the greatest player at a non-impact position, it's a luxury, unlikely to translate into wins. Martin is the best OG in football. If we had Leary and Collins at the guards, you can't convince me that we'd win fewer games because Martin was gone. At guard and DT and C and RT and LB/S, very good tier 1 players are just as good for you as having the greatest player.

1. ILB - Rashaan Evans, Alabama (unless another LB drops)
2. OG/C - Billy Price, Ohio State (Let Martin walk next year)
3. OLB/DE - Uchenna Nwosu, USC (OLB, but can rush from RDE in pass situations
4. a & b
5. .
6. . Use rounds 4-6 for WR, DB, RB, DT-1

The salary difference a player who gets 12 sacks a year vs. that of a player who gets 8 sacks a year, all other things being equal is very different. Those few additional sacks usually lead to a massive pay influx. Think of O-linemen as the reverse. While other guards may be pretty good, they will lead to more sacks on your QB than having the very best. So why isn't that worth a massive influx as well?

 

[jterrell]

I'm fine rating OG below some other positions but any sentiment Martin wasn't the best player to draft where he drafted him would be somewhat insane.

You are getting a discount on Martin because he is an OG. Were he at LT he'd cost as much as 5M year more long term.
Granted franchise tag is per all OL but you can tag the guy for ~15M next year worst case.

I'd be fine with letting him move on if you must but what exactly are we downgrading from? Martin to Chaz Green? ROFL. I'd literally cry in public.

 

[bleachedwheat]

They will be able to pay Martin next year, I don't think it's a good idea to pay a guard upwards of 15 million per year though. If they were going to let him walk I would look to trade him this year and get something out of him besides a Comp pick in 2019. Trade with the Seahawks for their first this year and Earl Thomas, maybe throw in a 4th to sweeten the deal. You can then use 18 and 19 to get Wynn and Hernandez or a guard and someone to play right tackle and move Collins back inside. It would save a butt load of cash, so it's not the worst idea in the world.

 

[RS12]

Sigh. So you are going to let the best OL in the league walk as he enters his prime. I think you overlook the fact that he can play any position on the OL at a high level. I also think if Tyron Smith goes down for any length of time (largely possible) that Martin could go over and play his old college position without a noticeable drop off. Pay the man, skimp elsewhere.

 

[Pants]

c'mon, LEAVE MY NOTRE DAME GUYS ALONE!!!! my God, I was SO excited to see him and Jaylon get drafted, there is so little else to get excited about so having fighting irishmen on the team makes for a happy Pants

 

[cds99]

• Don't draft any OL in round 1. We can't afford the ones we have now. It's been great having the best OG in football, but it's a luxury that doesn't really pay off in impact. I view resigning Martin in the similar vein as drafting a 1-Tech in round 1....don't do it! (Unless you're a team with no stars and lots of cap space). When you have the best player at any position, you have to pay him like the best player, so when he's the greatest player at a non-impact position, it's a luxury, unlikely to translate into wins. Martin is the best OG in football. If we had Leary and Collins at the guards, you can't convince me that we'd win fewer games because Martin was gone. At guard and DT and C and RT and LB/S, very good tier 1 players are just as good for you as having the greatest player.

1. ILB - Rashaan Evans, Alabama (unless another LB drops)
2. OG/C - Billy Price, Ohio State (Let Martin walk next year)
3. OLB/DE - Uchenna Nwosu, USC (OLB, but can rush from RDE in pass situations
4. a & b
5. .
6. . Use rounds 4-6 for WR, DB, RB, DT-1

Why in the world would you let Martin walk? If he is the best guard in the league and I agree he is, you trade him. The hell with letting him go for nothing

 

[Chuck 54]

Sigh. So you are going to let the best OL in the league walk as he enters his prime. I think you overlook the fact that he can play any position on the OL at a high level. I also think if Tyron Smith goes down for any length of time (largely possible) that Martin could go over and play his old college position without a noticeable drop off. Pay the man, skimp elsewhere.

Best OG, not best lineman. Not even close. Tyron Smith is the best, certainly in the top 3.

 

[Chuck 54]

Sigh. So you are going to let the best OL in the league walk as he enters his prime. I think you overlook the fact that he can play any position on the OL at a high level. I also think if Tyron Smith goes down for any length of time (largely possible) that Martin could go over and play his old college position without a noticeable drop off. Pay the man, skimp elsewhere.

If they felt about him the way you do, he’d have moved out to LT anytime Smith was out with Green or Looney going to guard.