Clarence Hill: Just CHILL: No franchise tag for Miles Austin

[Eskimo]

If another team signs Austin then Jerry will get what he deserves. You just do not expose very good players to free agency like that. I hope we sign him long term but exposing him is risky. On the bright side if the Ravens or Jets sign him we might be able to get both O-line, and ballhawk safety in 1st then draft a Wr like Gilyard in the later rounds.

The hit rate in the bottom of the first round is not very good for Pro Bowl quality players which is what we'd be giving up.

 

[BigDFan5]

there is 0%% chance we lose austin for a 1 and 3 even a low 1 and 3

Jerrys saves over 6 million dollars

he did the right thing

 

[RS12]

My only concern is if a team in the division comes up with poison pill offer. Miles was a huge chunk of the offense.

 

[johnnyd]

there is 0%% chance we lose austin for a 1 and 3 even a low 1 and 3

Jerrys saves over 6 million dollars

he did the right thing

I hope your right I really do , I think alot of people (including myself) are just nervous about losing Miles , But this makes for good discussion because of the actual quote by ownership/management.

While i disagree with some posters who think jerry is clueless (i mean see raiders,browns, lions, etc, for a better verion of clueless) I do think he is taking a unnessasry risk here. Now unless i am missing something like did the nfl ban poison pill's? I just feel like quotes of 0% chance of losing Miles are shades of baghdad bob in his prime. Again unless im missing something it's not just about the money which i agree with most people in that jerry could outbid anyone for his services , The concern is about the potential for something stupid going into a contract that would affect his future cap number once a new CBA is agreed to. Once again assuming there will even be a salary cap in any new CBA. Why let another team dictate what we pay him and let's just get it done on our terms.

Personally I can't think of a more complete free agent that has been on the market in a long time. Taking into account both the player and person. Now I don't personally know miles only what i read and see on tv, but who wouldn't give a 1 and 3 for a 25 year old playmaking stud WR with no off the field baggage and a great work ethic? Are you kidding me? I love the draft as much as the next guy but this is the epitome of overating draft picks IMO. He's already a top 5 WR in this league and he's still getting better.

 

[jobberone]

What's the difference between two number ones and a one and a three?




































The answer is 6 million dollars.

 

[Eskimo]

What's the difference between two number ones and a one and a three?




































The answer is 6 million dollars.

Fair enough but this is a non-cap year so it is Jerry's money and he can't "cheap out" on Miles just because he overpaid on Roy - that's not the way things work in the real world.

We've finally got our young playmaking WR - we haven't had one since the mid-90s. Let's not blow it by getting overly cute here.

At least if some team signs him as a franchise and we elect not to match, we've got lots more draft points through the franchise tag.

 

[dbair1967]

The Cowboys FO proves once again how clueless they are at managing risk. There is little to be gained from the 1st and 3rd tender over the franchise designation. Any savings are immaterial from a product on the field point of view as there is no salary cap this year and there will be no forward carriage of any salary cap implications on a 1-year contract.

Jerry is just being cheap here. He figures it is okay to underpay Miles since RW11 is overpaid.

I rate it at 50% the chance that some team tries to poison pill Jerry and us ending up with one low first rounder and one low third rounder in the end which is a reasonable price to pay a young Pro Bowl WR.

It would be worth it to lose Miles if it meant Jerry finally realized he is not a good GM and brought in a proper personnel guy to run the show but that won't happen either so the point is moot.

There's alot wrong with this post.

First off, Jerry has never been "cheap"

Second, just because a teams is willing to give up the first and third, doesnt mean they will get Austin.

Third, with so much cap space, I cant really think of any "poison pill" that will work now. It would if we were hurting badly for cap space, but that isnt the case.

Austin isnt going anywhere.

 

[dbair1967]

My only concern is if a team in the division comes up with poison pill offer. Miles was a huge chunk of the offense.

"Poison pills" only work if the team losing the player is in trouble with cap space, and we arnt. I cant think of any scenario where a team could steal Austin away because of the type of contract they gave him. Now if some team doesnt something incredibly stupid and were to offer Austin 20 million a season, thats different. But no team is going to do that.

 

[Eskimo]

There's alot wrong with this post.

First off, Jerry has never been "cheap"

Second, just because a teams is willing to give up the first and third, doesnt mean they will get Austin.

Third, with so much cap space, I cant really think of any "poison pill" that will work now. It would if we were hurting badly for cap space, but that isnt the case.

Austin isnt going anywhere.

Yes but sometimes the poison pill could be along the lines of guaranteeing the whole contract which could be 6 or 7 years in length which is something most GMs would prefer not to do in this sport. This is what I'm talking about in terms of framing the contract so that it works out well for the Cowboys as well.

Cap space isn't an issue this year but it certainly could be in the future.

Jerry was very cheap when he first took over the reigns and this can't be disputed too much. He has softened considerably over time but he wasn't always so loose with the purse strings.

Whether Austin goes elsewhere will be determined in time but there are virtually no certainties in this world.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry was very cheap when he first took over the reigns

It was a completely different league 20 years ago. It didn't take Jerry very long to pony up to keep players around either. To use situation back in '89 as an reason to call Jerry "cheap" is pretty weak.

 

[SDogo]

I disagree. What if there's a team like the Baltimore Ravens with the #25 pick in the 1st round? There is not a better WR than Miles Austin at #25. If I were a Ravens fan I would have no problem giving up a low 1st and low 3rd for Miles Austin. Jerry and Stephen are really pushing it right now.

Cowboys will match offer. End of issue.

Again, NO BIG DEAL.

Jerry is not exactly playing with fire when he holds all the cards

 

[DallasEast]

there is 0%% chance we lose austin for a 1 and 3 even a low 1 and 3

/end thread

Wait.

Darn.

 

[Eskimo]

It was a completely different league 20 years ago. It didn't take Jerry very long to pony up to keep players around either. To use situation back in '89 as an reason to call Jerry "cheap" is pretty weak.

I'm just pointing out that things ebb and flow and things aren't static.

Jerry was pretty cheap from about 1989-1994. Things dramatically changed when he lost that NFCC game to San Francisco. He recognized the importance of paying star players because they aren't always so easy to replace. I actually would argue he's gone too far the other way with too much loyalty resulting in too many overpaid 30-somethings on the roster.

Well this isn't a situation that you look for the "cheap way" out of. If I'm Austin's agent, I'd be pretty hesitant to sign that 1-year tender. I'd want the a multi-year deal with a good bonus and a decent amount of guaranteed money given that he's never had a big pay day. There is no way Jerry should let the Cowboys go far into TC without having Miles inked given what is on the line this year and I don't think he will - I'd put the chances of that under 5% but not a 0%.

My biggest worry continue to be leaving the door open for a poison pill.

 

[firehawk350]

There's alot wrong with this post.

First off, Jerry has never been "cheap"

Second, just because a teams is willing to give up the first and third, doesnt mean they will get Austin.

Third, with so much cap space, I cant really think of any "poison pill" that will work now. It would if we were hurting badly for cap space, but that isnt the case.

Austin isnt going anywhere.

That's not necessarily true. Whereas Jerry's pockets are deep, it just doesn't make any sense to pay Miles Austin a $5M bonus for every game played in Dallas in the years 2010 and 2011 (just an example). Or a guaranteed contract if more than 3 games or played in Texas for 10 years.

As for people other than Jerry who would give up a 1st and a 3rd, Snyder tried to acquire Chad Johnson for a 1st and a 3rd the same year you gave up the mint for RW11. I don't think Snyder would offer that (4th overall pick is just too valuable), but just look at the teams out there who might pick a receiver in the first. What's just another pick when you get a young pro bowler.

 

[firehawk350]

I'm just pointing out that things ebb and flow and things aren't static.

Jerry was pretty cheap from about 1989-1994. Things dramatically changed when he lost that NFCC game to San Francisco. He recognized the importance of paying star players because they aren't always so easy to replace. I actually would argue he's gone too far the other way with too much loyalty resulting in too many overpaid 30-somethings on the roster.

Well this isn't a situation that you look for the "cheap way" out of. If I'm Austin's agent, I'd be pretty hesitant to sign that 1-year tender. I'd want the a multi-year deal with a good bonus and a decent amount of guaranteed money given that he's never had a big pay day. There is no way Jerry should let the Cowboys go far into TC without having Miles inked given what is on the line this year and I don't think he will - I'd put the chances of that under 5% but not a 0%.

My biggest worry continue to be leaving the door open for a poison pill.

Exactly, Miles Austin has the chance to be set up for life. The agent should be on every team's phone line trying to get them to give some kind of offer sheet. $3M is nice, but Austin will pull in like $20M guaranteed somewhere.

 

[noletime95]

If Dallas loses Austin to a poison pill contract, the entire Cowboys fanbase needs to revolt.

This is a risky.

 

[Woods]

out of curiousity, how often has a poison pill actually been used in a contract?

off the top of my head, i can only think of the vikings and hutchinson.

i thought that the league came to some understanding that they would stop that sort of thing.

 

[DavyBaby]

There was some discussion in the last CBA negotiations to restrict "poison pill" contracts, but ultimately nothing was done. I am afraid that "poison pills" are still a possibility.

see:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nfl/2009/11/post_12.html

 

[jobberone]

Some of you need to take a chill pill. Austin is going nowhere. I get amused when some of you get to thinking Jerry and Stephen suddenly got real stupid. They are working on a long term contract with guarantees for him. I'm certain they want to see more of the same from him as well. And surely Austin and his agent have had communications with the FO to be assured as well. My guess is Austin probably wishes to stay in Dallas anyway. He's got a franchise QB throwing him the ball and he's the clear cut number one. He's on the gravy train now.

 

[dbair1967]

Yes but sometimes the poison pill could be along the lines of guaranteeing the whole contract which could be 6 or 7 years in length which is something most GMs would prefer not to do in this sport. This is what I'm talking about in terms of framing the contract so that it works out well for the Cowboys as well.

Like I said, if somebody offers a really ludicrous contract and we lose him, there's not much that could have been done. Then you say most GM's wouldnt do it anyway, so if you acknowledge that, why worry about losing him?

Cap space isn't an issue this year but it certainly could be in the future.

Its only a problem if they have too many bad contracts and/or just too many really good players.

Jerry was very cheap when he first took over the reigns and this can't be disputed too much. He has softened considerably over time but he wasn't always so loose with the purse strings.

That was a long time ago, and he wasnt even "cheap" when it came to all players, there were very few examples of him ever being "cheap"

Whether Austin goes elsewhere will be determined in time but there are virtually no certainties in this world.

Jerry says Austin's going nowhere, that pretty much makes it a certainty IMO.