Clayton: Five things learned at NFL combine

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There were very few surprises at the combine. The top prospects confirmed their positions, and the No. 1 overall pick was pretty much locked down.

Here are the five things we learned at the 2015 combine.

1. Tennessee Titans are on the clock: Coming into the combine, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers appeared to be leaning toward selecting Florida State QB Jameis Winston with the No. 1 pick. Now, barring an off-the-field incident or an injury, Winston to Tampa Bay appears to be a lock.

Winston had an exceptional combine. By working out Saturday, he showed he's the best thrower in the draft -- even though medical people found a weakness in his right shoulder. Behind the scenes during his interviews, Winston showed he has a great ability to pick up plays on the chalkboard and discuss them. With Winston likely going to Tampa Bay, the Titans, unless they trade the No. 2 overall pick, have the option of taking Oregon QB Marcus Mariota or one of the draft's top defenders (USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams or Nebraska LB Randy Gregory).

Overall, the willingness of the top quarterbacks to throw raised their ratings. Mariota was a little off on a couple of long throws, but considering he rushed back from a shoulder injury, he made a case to be at least the second quarterback in the draft and locked up a top-six rating. A great debate is shaping up for the No. 3 quarterback slot. With 10½-inch hands, Brett Hundley of UCLA showed a strong arm. Bryce Petty of Baylor had an effortless throwing motion that improved his stock. Brandon Bridge of South Alabama, Sean Mannion of Oregon State and Cody Fajardo of Nevada also did well.

2. Another great year for wide receivers:
Only five of the 44 wide receivers at the combine didn't run or work out, so scouts and general managers don't have to travel around the country chasing down receivers for 40-yard dash times. The only first-round prospect who might have hurt himself a little was Michigan's Devin Funchess, who ran a 4.7-second 40. Overall, the impressions of the receivers were amazing. The tall receivers were fast and caught the ball well.

The big winner was Kevin White of West Virginia. At 6-foot-2 and 235 pounds, he ran a 4.35 40 and had a 36.5-inch vertical jump. If he once was considered toward the bottom of the first round, his ratings could jump to the middle. It's not out of the question for him to be drafted in the top 10. Last year,Odell Beckham Jr. was the star of the combine and ended up being the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. Amari Cooper of Alabama appears to be the top receiver. He ran a 4.42 40. It will be hard for the Oakland Raiders to pass on him with the No. 4 pick. At 6-2, Devante Parker of Louisville helped his first-round stock with a 4.45 40.

The abundance of talented receivers should have an impact on the free-agent market. It could cause teams to release high-priced receivers such as Mike Wallace, Brandon Marshall and Percy Harvin in order to pick up some of these young receivers.

3. Timing is everything on defense: Teams switching to the 3-4 defense, such as theChicago Bears, Denver Broncos and Buffalo Bills, can benefit from this draft. There could be as many as nine defensive linemen or linebackers taken in the top 20, and most of those players are good fits for the 3-4.

The Broncos may not need a linebacker because they have Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware, but they'll likely take a close look at the defensive linemen. The Bills have enough good players in their front seven, but the Bears could be all over this class of linebackers and defensive linemen. They tried to upgrade a 4-3 defensive line last year. Now, defensive coordinator Vic Fangio needs to revamp the entire front seven.

Linebacker/defensive end Vic Beasley of Clemson was the big winner over the weekend. He ran a 4.53 40 and bench-pressed 225 pounds 35 times. Gregory of Nebraska did well, running a 4.64. Dante Fowler Jr. of Florida ran a 4.6 40. Shaq Thompson of Washington ran a 4.64. And then there's Danny Shelton of Washington. The 6-2, 339-pound defensive tackle ran a 5.64 40 and looked so much like Haloti Ngata that he should go in the top 10.

The abundance of talented 3-4 players could cause some teams to steer clear of free-agent pass-rushers such as Brian Orakpo, Pernell McPhee,Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham and Jabaal Sheard.

4. Running backs didn't disappoint: What is considered the best running back class since 2008 had solid performances Saturday. Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon bolstered his chance to become the first back since 2012 to go in the first round. He ran a 4.52 40. No back set land-speed records, but just about everybody secured a good rating. A dozen backs could go in the top three rounds. Jeremy Langford of Michigan State might have been the big winner. He likely improved a third-round grade by running a 4.42 40.

Todd Gurley of Georgia seems to be well along in the healing process from ACL surgery. The only loser might have been David Cobb of Minnesota. Cobb injured a quad while running what turned out to be a 4.81 40. His pro day is March 2, which might be too soon for him to run again. At some point, teams will need to get a time on him. He has a third-round grade.

5. Draft is weak up the middle:
Going into the combine, tight end, inside linebacker and safety were considered three of the weaker positions in the draft. Based on the workouts Monday, cornerback also has to be a concern. Cornerback times were slow. Sure, Trae Waynes of Michigan State put himself in position to be a top-10 pick with a 4.31 40 and Byron Jones of Connecticut wowed everyone with a 12-foot, 3-inch broad jump and a 44.5-inch vertical jump, but the rest of the defensive backs group struggled. Even during the NFL Network broadcast, commentators were joking that analyst Deion Sanders might have been the fastest corner on the field.Marcus Peters of Washington (4.53), P.J. Williams of Florida State (4.57) and Quinten Rollins of Miami (Ohio) (4.57) remain lower first-round prospects, but their times didn't boost their stock.

Landon Collins of Alabama remains the only safety meriting a top-50 selection. No one else really jumped up. Only three defensive backs ran sub-4.4 40s. Maxx Williams of Minnesota (4.78) andClive Walford of Miami (4.79) remain the only tight ends rated in the top two rounds. No one else stepped up. Eric Kendricks of UCLA had a 4.61 40 to secure his ranking as the top inside linebacker.
 

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3. Timing is everything on defense: Teams switching to the 3-4 defense, such as the Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos and Buffalo Bills, can benefit from this draft. There could be as many as nine defensive linemen or linebackers taken in the top 20, and most of those players are good fits for the 3-4.

The Broncos may not need a linebacker because they have Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware, but they'll likely take a close look at the defensive linemen. The Bills have enough good players in their front seven, but the Bears could be all over this class of linebackers and defensive linemen. They tried to upgrade a 4-3 defensive line last year. Now, defensive coordinator Vic Fangio needs to revamp the entire front seven.

Linebacker/defensive end Vic Beasley of Clemson was the big winner over the weekend. He ran a 4.53 40 and bench-pressed 225 pounds 35 times. Gregory of Nebraska did well, running a 4.64. Dante Fowler Jr. of Florida ran a 4.6 40. Shaq Thompson of Washington ran a 4.64. And then there's Danny Shelton of Washington. The 6-2, 339-pound defensive tackle ran a 5.64 40 and looked so much like Haloti Ngata that he should go in the top 10.

The abundance of talented 3-4 players could cause some teams to steer clear of free-agent pass-rushers such as Brian Orakpo, Pernell McPhee,Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham and Jabaal Sheard.

This is one of the benefits of the 3-4 defense. Easier to find pressure players.
 

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I have heard Titans are willing to trade cause they like their QB.
I wish that wasn't true.Mariota will be a good QB in the NFL.
 

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appreciate posting this stuff @Risen Star

I know a few titan fans and they desperately want one of the two first round QB's
 

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Actually, you're wrong. All you need to do is look at this draft class. It's much easier to find rush LBs than it is a guy who can create that same pressure off the edge while also being strong enough to play with his hand in the dirt on run downs.

Uh no... HISTORICALLY it's easier to find 4-3 ends. This year's draft presents a unique combo of tweeners so they can do both.
 

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Uh no... HISTORICALLY it's easier to find 4-3 ends. This year's draft presents a unique combo of tweeners so they can do both.

Okay, you can pretend otherwise to support the Cowboys inferior defensive scheme.

The reason why the 3-4 was created was because of this fact I'm telling you. Easier to find a guy who can play standing up as a rush LB than is a guy to duplicate that pressure while being strong enough to play on the line at end.

That's not just the case this year, it's the case every year. And anybody who knows anything about the NFL knows this fact.
 

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I like the 3-4. If you don't have a DT that can collapse the pocket then I feel like it's better just to use a 3-4 with an exotic blitz package.

With that said i'd rather use the 4-3 with DT's that can collapse the pocket which is why I believe finding a pass rushing DT is our #1 priority this offseason.
 

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This is one of the benefits of the 3-4 defense. Easier to find pressure players.

Actually that's false... It's easier to find 4-3 ends.

It's not really all one or the other.

In the 3-4 (definitely in the Wade and RR versions) it is very difficult to find a Strong Side OLB which was the Anthony Spencer position. That player has to be a 3 tool player (run defense, coverage and pass rush). Finding guys that can do all 3 is very difficult. The Weak Side guy (Ware) really had minimal coverage responsibilities and was not much different from a Weak Side DE in some 4-3 schemes. In fact, Ware had less run contain responsibility in Marinelli's scheme than he had in the 3-4. In RR's 3-4 Ware was often in read in react mode (read the run first, then rush); whereas, in Marinelli's scheme he was in all out pass rush mode most of the time and was often allowed to completely abandon run contain.

The Cowboys had guys like Victor Butler that could rush the passer but could never learn the intricacies of being at 3 tool player at the SOLB position.

In the 4-3 the Strong Side DE is definitely an easier position to find than OLB in the 3-4 or WDE in the 4-3.

There are also version of the 4-3 that can accommodate a tweener type pass rusher like Denver used with Von Miller playing a Hybrid SLB/DE position where he was basically a 4-3 SLB on base downs and a DE in the Nickel.

The Cowboys obviously really liked DeMarcus Lawrence and he weighed 251 at the combine. There are many 3-4 OLB that are bigger than 251.

In a 3-4 there are many many snaps where the OLB is 1-on-1 with the OT and it's the same OT that they would be playing against is they were a 4-3 DE. The OLB also becomes a DE in a 4 man line when 3-4 defenses play Nickel which is about 50% of the snaps.
 

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This is one of the benefits of the 3-4 defense. Easier to find pressure players.

Yep.

That stood out to me too.

It's a big year for tweener type pass rushers and I think that directly benefits teams running the 3-4.
 

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Actually that's false... It's easier to find 4-3 ends.

I agree with you on this and Risen is wrong. That's why we switched from 3-4 to 4-3 to begin with, also a 3-4 OLB has to be able to do more than a 4-3 end. So finding that guy who can play the run, rush the passer and drop back in coverage is harder to find then a guy who can only do two of those task. Most 3-4 OLB can play 4-3 ends but there are allot of 4-3 ends who cant play olb in a 3-4. This year draft may be an exception and maybe the next few years it will change but 4-3 are easier to find. #fact
 

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I agree with you on this and Risen is wrong. That's why we switched from 3-4 to 4-3 to begin with, also a 3-4 OLB has to be able to do more than a 4-3 end. So finding that guy who can play the run, rush the passer and drop back in coverage is harder to find then a guy who can only do two of those task. Most 3-4 OLB can play 4-3 ends but there are allot of 4-3 ends who cant play olb in a 3-4. This year draft may be an exception and maybe the next few years it will change but 4-3 are easier to find. #fact

Thank you... Any NFL GM or HC will tell you that.
 

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I agree with you on this and Risen is wrong. That's why we switched from 3-4 to 4-3 to begin with, also a 3-4 OLB has to be able to do more than a 4-3 end. So finding that guy who can play the run, rush the passer and drop back in coverage is harder to find then a guy who can only do two of those task. Most 3-4 OLB can play 4-3 ends but there are allot of 4-3 ends who cant play olb in a 3-4. This year draft may be an exception and maybe the next few years it will change but 4-3 are easier to find. #fact

Parcells sold Jerry on the the idea that it was easier to find 3-4 OLBs, but he was just telling Jerry that because he wanted to switch to the 3-4 which is what he had used in the past.

People significantly exaggerate the concept that 3-4 OLBs can be really small. They have to play against the same OTs that they would have to play against as a 4-3 DE. Offenses don't roll out a smaller set of OTs when the play a 3-4 team.

Obviously, there are often several tweener size pass rushers, but being smallish is no guarantee that they will be a great 3-4 OLB. It is a difficult position mentally.

The Weak Side DE in Marinelli's scheme is about as simple as any position in terms of the learning curve.
 
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