Cleveland Browns Fire GM

I feel for the Browns fans.

Hard for any GM and or coaching group to get anything going when they are firing one, the other or both every other year.

And for the life of me I just don't know how they can get so many high first round picks wrong.

I am not sure how the last 3 or so years have panned out for them with top picks but man alive since coming back into the league they have really screwed the pooch with
first round picks including having more than one first round pick in a year or years.

Maybe the owner needs to go crazy and hire the best SCOUTS he can get and then get a GM and Coach later. lol
 
Haslam might literally go to jail on RICO charges, that might be the thing that turns the team around. Other than that I dunno.
 
The moneyball approach....

I really do get why you'd trade down from the very top of the first round and load up on 2-3 1st rounders for 1 trade-offs.
But that does not apply when a franchise QB is sitting there for the taking and your team hasn't had one in decades.
 
I read recently that Bill Belichick has the most wins at HC for that organization IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. And they fired him.

Let that sink in a bit. He had, like 35 wins, to-boot. Not a high number.
 
jterrell said:
This was a QB deal. Didn't draft Dak with 4 picks, didn't draft Wentz, didn't draft Watson.

QB is job 1 and they didn't get it done.
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Probably. I don't disagree with his approach, though. It's a mistake to take a QB before you have the defense and the OL to support him. If you're going to take an expensive shot on a guy, you build a nest for him first.

And I think that's probably exactly what they discussed when they decided to stockpile picks. That's an strategic direction thing more than it is a player evaluation thing. I think he more likely lost a tug-of-war with Jackson over who should take the fall.

Regardless, that just became the best GM job in the country. Tons of picks. Some starter personnel to work with, and you'd be free to pick your coach next year if you don't have success off the bat. This is a hugely important hire for them coming up. Will be fun to see who gets it.
 
The Browns are starting to get some pieces together but it will take 1-2 more years because they have had to start over completely. They made some really bad draft picks that has put them in their current state. From 2012-2015 they had 7 1st round picks. Only 1 of those 7 players is still on the team right now and a few of them aren't even in the league anymore. That's how you fail as a franchise.
 
Idgit said:
Probably. I don't disagree with his approach, though. It's a mistake to take a QB before you have the defense and the OL to support him. If you're going to take an expensive shot on a guy, you build a nest for him first.

And I think that's probably exactly what they discussed when they decided to stockpile picks. That's an strategic direction thing more than it is a player evaluation thing. I think he more likely lost a tug-of-war with Jackson over who should take the fall.

Regardless, that just became the best GM job in the country. Tons of picks. Some starter personnel to work with, and you'd be free to pick your coach next year if you don't have success off the bat. This is a hugely important hire for them coming up. Will be fun to see who gets it.
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Def gonna be a great gig for someone.
You have Madden style picks and youth.

But I think they fell in love with Kizer last year who played 4 hours away at ND.
His looking so awful is probably what got the GM fired.
You can't stockpile picks then waste them on guys that can't pay the most important positions.
You have to get it right at QB. Once you do that's a 10 year answer.
 
jterrell said:
Def gonna be a great gig for someone.
You have Madden style picks and youth.

But I think they fell in love with Kizer last year who played 4 hours away at ND.
His looking so awful is probably what got the GM fired.
You can't stockpile picks then waste them on guys that can't pay the most important positions.
You have to get it right at QB. Once you do that's a 10 year answer.
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You're right about Kizer. And you never know what CLE's owners are thinking, because they can't run a club properly and have proven that.

Personally, if it were my show, I'd do what they did. Defense, OL, then QB. Take a shot at a mid round guy you think might be special, fine, but mostly don't spend another #1 on a guy and put him in position to fail in a market nobody wants to stay in, anyway. When you do have the pieces around him, put him in and let him be successful in a good situation. Then you can franchise and extend him when you know it's safe.

What do I know, though. I actually thought CLE was going to be the sort of 5-11/6-10 team nobody wanted to actually play this season and ready to actually contend for the postseason next year when they used those picks and actually took a shot on a guy at QB.
 
jterrell said:
This was a QB deal. Didn't draft Dak with 4 picks, didn't draft Wentz, didn't draft Watson.

QB is job 1 and they didn't get it done.
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Loo

I think they're going to get it right for 2018.........there will be a min 3-4 quality vet QBs on the market. I'm guessing they're going to throw the kitchen sink for one. Hue know 2018 will be it for him. No way he trusts a rookie with his career. My guess they'll call the Vikings or go after Cousins.

BTW....not surprise Brown was fired. Easier replace one GM than an entire coaching staff.
 
This is good news and it will be interesting to follow,,, er,,,in a nonchalant kinda way.o_O
 
Look at this record of first round picks...most turned out to be busts.


Tim Couch
Courtney Brown
Gerard Warren
William Green
Jeff Faine
Kellen Winslow
Braylon Edwards
Kamerion Wimbley
JOE THOMAS - The lone great pick in this bunch
Brady Quinn
Alex Mack
Joe Haden
Phil Taylor
Trent richardson
Bradon Weeden
Bark Mingo
Justin Gilbert
Johnny Football
Danny Shelton
Cameron Erving
Corey Coleman


Last year

Myles Garrett
Jabrill Peppers
David Njoku


ALL of those are first round picks and a good deal of them are high end first round picks.

Even dumb luck should produce better players with all of those picks.
 
Idgit said:
Probably. I don't disagree with his approach, though. It's a mistake to take a QB before you have the defense and the OL to support him. If you're going to take an expensive shot on a guy, you build a nest for him first.

And I think that's probably exactly what they discussed when they decided to stockpile picks. That's an strategic direction thing more than it is a player evaluation thing. I think he more likely lost a tug-of-war with Jackson over who should take the fall.

Regardless, that just became the best GM job in the country. Tons of picks. Some starter personnel to work with, and you'd be free to pick your coach next year if you don't have success off the bat. This is a hugely important hire for them coming up. Will be fun to see who gets it.
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If you draft the defense and OL first, you'll probably end up w an 8-10 win team which will not be in a position to draft a QB in the top ten.

And you can't rely on a finding a team as dumb as the Browns to trade with-- especially when you actually are the Browns.
 
TheCoolFan said:
The Browns are starting to get some pieces together but it will take 1-2 more years because they have had to start over completely. They made some really bad draft picks that has put them in their current state. From 2012-2015 they had 7 1st round picks. Only 1 of those 7 players is still on the team right now and a few of them aren't even in the league anymore. That's how you fail as a franchise.
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They've been saying that same thing for 20 years now.
 
trickamsterdam said:
If you draft the defense and OL first, you'll probably end up w an 8-10 win team which will not be in a position to draft a QB in the top ten.

And you can't rely on a finding a team as dumb as the Browns to trade with-- especially when you actually are the Browns.
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That’s the downside. But there have been some pretty good QBs drafted outside the top 10 recently. And you can always push picks forward or borrow from future years if you’re really just one pick away. That’s a risk you feel better about when you’ve got the rest of the team in place.
 
Idgit said:
You're right about Kizer. And you never know what CLE's owners are thinking, because they can't run a club properly and have proven that.

Personally, if it were my show, I'd do what they did. Defense, OL, then QB. Take a shot at a mid round guy you think might be special, fine, but mostly don't spend another #1 on a guy and put him in position to fail in a market nobody wants to stay in, anyway. When you do have the pieces around him, put him in and let him be successful in a good situation. Then you can franchise and extend him when you know it's safe.

What do I know, though. I actually thought CLE was going to be the sort of 5-11/6-10 team nobody wanted to actually play this season and ready to actually contend for the postseason next year when they used those picks and actually took a shot on a guy at QB.
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Lotsa issues with that plan.
As noted above once you get solid Def and OL you should win too many games to be picking a franchise QB.
Much easier to sign a free agent DB than it is a QB.

This off-season what QB wants to go to CLE? There is NY Giants. SF 49ers ... or CLE? What vet with a family and money already wants to go to CLE?
So that team will undoubtedly be drafting a QB in R1 this year.
They better guess right.

And yes I think they'll get a lower rung vet QB who can start the year but I don't think they'll get Kirk Cousins.

No one believes in that offensive staff, the city or the ownership.
 
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