Cliff Notes on Last Night's 2 point play

[VaqueroTD]

See a lot of new faces and same confusion as last night, if you want to avoid going through 40 pages of replies……

1. Lions designed a sneaky 2 pt play before the game where it looked like #70 was reporting as eligible but in fact #68 was reporting. Confirmed.
2. Dan Campbell told the refs about it before game to avoid confusion. Confirmed.
3. Play went off as planned but in moment, and 3 guys next to him, ref got confused and called out on game speaker that #70 was the eligible. Confirmed.
4. Cowboys didn’t attempt to cover #68 thinking 70 was the guy. Confirmed.
5. Refs called back play and went from 3 to 7 yard line because 68 was ineligible. Confirmed.
6. Campbell went for it again on 7. Cowboys got a TO but Parsons offsides and got it cancelled.
7. Ball back to 3, and Campbell went for it a third time. #11 and #90 good pressure, bad throw from Goff, Cowboys win.

The only thing that cannot be confirmed is if the first attempt was an illegal formation if #68 was correctly labeled as eligible. I am reading all types of stories on this from players to coaches to the fans so I would recommend just waiting until the official NFL explanation unless you feel pretty good about your observation of that. Why does it matter? Because it means even if the refs blew it and gave us a gift, it would have been an illegal formation.

Bottom line though is the Lions tried to be very cute with a sneak play and it bit them in the butt. After weeks of claims, just shows there is no vast conspiracy on refs and they can blow just about anything, including in our favor. And Dan Campbell is getting a lot of credit for being aggressive but in my opinion, it was just stupid and he let his ego and emotions get the best of him. He could have kicked the extra point and brought the game game into overtime. He had three chances.

 

[GMO415]

Lot of wasted calories. Dallas is 11-5. Next up.

 

[Flamma]

See a lot of new faces and same confusion as last night, if you want to avoid going through 40 pages of replies……

1. Lions designed a sneaky 2 pt play before the game where it looked like #70 was reporting as eligible but in fact #68 was reporting. Confirmed.
2. Dan Campbell told the refs about it before game to avoid confusion. Confirmed.
3. Play went off as planned but in moment, and 3 guys next to him, ref got confused and called out on game speaker that #70 was the eligible. Confirmed.
4. Cowboys didn’t attempt to cover #68 thinking 70 was the guy. Confirmed.
5. Refs called back play and went from 3 to 7 yard line because 68 was ineligible. Confirmed.
6. Campbell went for it again on 7. Cowboys got a TO but Parsons offsides and got it cancelled.
7. Ball back to 3, and Campbell went for it a third time. #11 and #90 good pressure, bad throw from Goff, Cowboys win.

The only thing that cannot be confirmed is if the first attempt was an illegal formation if #68 was correctly labeled as eligible. I am reading all types of stories on this from players to coaches to the fans so I would recommend just waiting until the official NFL explanation unless you feel pretty good about your observation of that. Why does it matter? Because it means even if the refs blew it and gave us a gift, it would have been an illegal formation.

Bottom line though is the Lions tried to be very cute with a sneak play and it bit them in the butt. After weeks of claims, just shows there is no vast conspiracy on refs and they can blow just about anything, including in our favor. And Dan Campbell is getting a lot of credit for being aggressive but in my opinion, it was just stupid and he let his ego and emotions get the best of him. He could have kicked the extra point and brought the game game into overtime. He had three chances.

Very well said. On the formation. The formation is fine as long as 68 reported as eligible. But when they refs had 70 as reporting, both sides of the line were illegal.

A minor nitpick because I can't help myself. The penalty went from the 2 to the 7. Parsons penalty brought it to the 3 1/2 yard line. Half the distance.

 

[Clarke82]

The Lions were also called for an illegal formation.

They had 8 men on the Line of Scrimmage.

 

[Flamma]

The Lions were also called for an illegal formation.

They had 8 men on the Line of Scrimmage.

They did not have 8 men on the LOS, and that's not why they called illegal formation. They called illegal formation because the guy that supposedly reported, #70, was covered up. That comes straight from the refs pie hole. He said that in a statement.

 

[Plankton]

See a lot of new faces and same confusion as last night, if you want to avoid going through 40 pages of replies……

1. Lions designed a sneaky 2 pt play before the game where it looked like #70 was reporting as eligible but in fact #68 was reporting. Confirmed.
2. Dan Campbell told the refs about it before game to avoid confusion. Confirmed.
3. Play went off as planned but in moment, and 3 guys next to him, ref got confused and called out on game speaker that #70 was the eligible. Confirmed.
4. Cowboys didn’t attempt to cover #68 thinking 70 was the guy. Confirmed.
5. Refs called back play and went from 3 to 7 yard line because 68 was ineligible. Confirmed.
6. Campbell went for it again on 7. Cowboys got a TO but Parsons offsides and got it cancelled.
7. Ball back to 3, and Campbell went for it a third time. #11 and #90 good pressure, bad throw from Goff, Cowboys win.

The only thing that cannot be confirmed is if the first attempt was an illegal formation if #68 was correctly labeled as eligible. I am reading all types of stories on this from players to coaches to the fans so I would recommend just waiting until the official NFL explanation unless you feel pretty good about your observation of that. Why does it matter? Because it means even if the refs blew it and gave us a gift, it would have been an illegal formation.

Bottom line though is the Lions tried to be very cute with a sneak play and it bit them in the butt. After weeks of claims, just shows there is no vast conspiracy on refs and they can blow just about anything, including in our favor. And Dan Campbell is getting a lot of credit for being aggressive but in my opinion, it was just stupid and he let his ego and emotions get the best of him. He could have kicked the extra point and brought the game game into overtime. He had three chances.

There was no illegal formation. As far as the alignment is concerned, Decker could not be covered on the left side of the formation, and be eligible as a receiver. The receiver, Josh Reynolds, was flexed back, which made the formation legal. They had more than 6 players on the LOS. Nothing illegal at all about the lineup. Even if Skipper reported as eligible, and lined up at guard in this alignment, as he did, as long as he doesn't go more than 1 yard downfield, he's good. He did that.

The issue was that the referee screwed up announcing who the eligible receiver was. That alone made it an illegal touching penalty (and also illegal man downfield), but there was no illegal formation penalty.

 

[VaqueroTD]

They did not have 8 men on the LOS, and that's not why they called illegal formation. They called illegal formation because the guy that supposedly reported, #70, was covered up. That comes straight from the refs pie hole. He said that in a statement.

There was no illegal formation. As far as the alignment is concerned, Decker could not be covered on the left side of the formation, and be eligible as a receiver. The receiver, Josh Reynolds, was flexed back, which made the formation legal. They had more than 6 players on the LOS. Nothing illegal at all about the lineup. Even if Skipper reported as eligible, and lined up at guard in this alignment, as he did, as long as he doesn't go more than 1 yard downfield, he's good. He did that.

The issue was that the referee screwed up announcing who the eligible receiver was. That alone made it an illegal touching penalty (and also illegal man downfield), but there was no illegal formation penalty.

The Lions were also called for an illegal formation.

They had 8 men on the Line of Scrimmage.

LOL As you can see, the illegal formation argument is all over the place.

Topic is 75% of the replies in those megathreads with everyone from Kurt Warner to Twitter weighing in.

As @GMO415 puts it, a lot of wasted calories. You win some and lose some with the refs. Team won, on to Washington.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Where do you get these confirmations? It is contrary to known proof. The refs explained it and it was confirmed by the P.A. announcer that 70 was eligible.

To the new faces - read the 40 pages as the OP has misleading info.

One thing for sure is confirmed - the lions would not have even been in that position were it not for the horrible, bogus tripping call.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Where do you get these confirmations? It is contrary to known proof. The refs explained it and it was confirmed by the P.A. announcer that 70 was eligible.

To the new faces - read the 40 pages as the OP has misleading info.

One thing for sure is confirmed - the lions would not have even been in that position were it not for the horrible, bogus tripping call.

Huh? That’s what I said in the thread. PA said number 70 was eligible.

 

[JBS]

See a lot of new faces and same confusion as last night, if you want to avoid going through 40 pages of replies……

1. Lions designed a sneaky 2 pt play before the game where it looked like #70 was reporting as eligible but in fact #68 was reporting. Confirmed.
2. Dan Campbell told the refs about it before game to avoid confusion. Confirmed.
3. Play went off as planned but in moment, and 3 guys next to him, ref got confused and called out on game speaker that #70 was the eligible. Confirmed.
4. Cowboys didn’t attempt to cover #68 thinking 70 was the guy. Confirmed.
5. Refs called back play and went from 3 to 7 yard line because 68 was ineligible. Confirmed.
6. Campbell went for it again on 7. Cowboys got a TO but Parsons offsides and got it cancelled.
7. Ball back to 3, and Campbell went for it a third time. #11 and #90 good pressure, bad throw from Goff, Cowboys win.

The only thing that cannot be confirmed is if the first attempt was an illegal formation if #68 was correctly labeled as eligible. I am reading all types of stories on this from players to coaches to the fans so I would recommend just waiting until the official NFL explanation unless you feel pretty good about your observation of that. Why does it matter? Because it means even if the refs blew it and gave us a gift, it would have been an illegal formation.

Bottom line though is the Lions tried to be very cute with a sneak play and it bit them in the butt. After weeks of claims, just shows there is no vast conspiracy on refs and they can blow just about anything, including in our favor. And Dan Campbell is getting a lot of credit for being aggressive but in my opinion, it was just stupid and he let his ego and emotions get the best of him. He could have kicked the extra point and brought the game game into overtime. He had three chances.

No!!! Enough w the illegal formation bs!! It’s flat out wrong and not true. Get a clue

 

[JBS]

My god you people are clueless. Still talking about illegal formation

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Best to just summarize this way:

Every foul on our opponents is correct.

Every foul on us is THE REFS and the league ensuring we lose.

THE REFS owe us 7,391 Holds on Micah.

BUT...BUT...THE REFS

There....that sums up every ref thread ever posted here!

 

[lkelly]

If anyone in the press room had any common sense (or wasn't scared of Campbell's baritone), they should have simply asked why they ran #68 out on a pass pattern when the officials announced over the PA that #70 had reported as eligible. If the officials didn't get it right, then don't run the play. Audible to something else, take a delay and kick the extra point, or yell to your team that the need to correct the issue with the officials and ask for a play clock reset.

Everyone seemed to be more concerned about where Dan was going to put his well chewed gum during that press conference.

 

[pansophy]

The most important part of this is that they told the cowboys 70 was eligible. Who knows if the play even works if they know to cover 68.

 

[VaqueroTD]

No!!! Enough w the illegal formation bs!! It’s flat out wrong and not true. Get a clue

Honestly, at least on this board, I think there’s some bias and agenda from the guys who don’t want to admit that they went overboard on the ref conspiracy stuff, and same from the people who were telling them to **** all week who are now chest thumping.

But I saw some smart people like Kurt Warner say online that it was illegal so I will withhold my judgment until the NFL has one of their standard week after summations

Again, bottom line, Detroit got too cute, we won and onto the next game.

 

[VaqueroTD]

If anyone in the press room had any common sense (or wasn't scared of Campbell's barritone), they should have simply asked why they ran #68 out on a pass pattern when the officials announced over the PA that #70 had reported as eligible. If they officials didn't get it right, then don't run the play. Audible to something else, take a delay and kick the extra point, or yell to your team that the need to correct the issue with the officials and ask for a play clock reset.

Everyone seemed to be more concerned about where Dan was going to put his well chewed gum during that press conference.

There are times I would love to be a reporter because those guys seem to be intimidated so easily. Coaches and GM would absolutely hate me.

Of course, this is much easier to say when your livelihood doesn’t depend on it.

 

[jazzcat22]

See a lot of new faces and same confusion as last night, if you want to avoid going through 40 pages of replies……

1. Lions designed a sneaky 2 pt play before the game where it looked like #70 was reporting as eligible but in fact #68 was reporting. Confirmed.
2. Dan Campbell told the refs about it before game to avoid confusion. Confirmed.
3. Play went off as planned but in moment, and 3 guys next to him, ref got confused and called out on game speaker that #70 was the eligible. Confirmed.
4. Cowboys didn’t attempt to cover #68 thinking 70 was the guy. Confirmed.
5. Refs called back play and went from 3 to 7 yard line because 68 was ineligible. Confirmed.
6. Campbell went for it again on 7. Cowboys got a TO but Parsons offsides and got it cancelled.
7. Ball back to 3, and Campbell went for it a third time. #11 and #90 good pressure, bad throw from Goff, Cowboys win.

The only thing that cannot be confirmed is if the first attempt was an illegal formation if #68 was correctly labeled as eligible. I am reading all types of stories on this from players to coaches to the fans so I would recommend just waiting until the official NFL explanation unless you feel pretty good about your observation of that. Why does it matter? Because it means even if the refs blew it and gave us a gift, it would have been an illegal formation.

Bottom line though is the Lions tried to be very cute with a sneak play and it bit them in the butt. After weeks of claims, just shows there is no vast conspiracy on refs and they can blow just about anything, including in our favor. And Dan Campbell is getting a lot of credit for being aggressive but in my opinion, it was just stupid and he let his ego and emotions get the best of him. He could have kicked the extra point and brought the game game into overtime. He had three chances.

And all this means nothing.

WHAT IS CONFIRMED that you fail to mention.

68 and 58 stood by the official as 70 comes running making a bee line to the ref, brushing his jersey as to say...I am reporting as eligible, as the ref clearly looked right at him.

It was to cause trickery and confusion. But some fans and the media can not let it go and understand the truth.

 

[VaqueroTD]

The most important part of this is that they told the cowboys 70 was eligible. Who knows if the play even works if they know to cover 68.

And props again to @MountaineerCowboy for pointing it out last night. He gets a lot of crap for his Dak threads but sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees. Everyone was so caught up on illegal formation and other nonsense that the simple question wasn’t asked: Hey, if our defense knows that this slow offensive lineman is eligible, don’t you think they would’ve covered his ***?

 

[jazzcat22]

My god you people are clueless. Still talking about illegal formation

My gosh some are clueless, Detroit tried to fool the refs to confuse Dallas .... IT DID NOT WORK ...

They had 2 more chances and failed on both. A free play with Micah offsides, and goff throws a pick. Then he misses on the next throw.

 

[VaqueroTD]

And all this means nothing.

WHAT IS CONFIRMED that you fail to mention.

68 and 58 stood by the official as 70 comes running making a bee line to the ref, brushing his jersey as to say...I am reporting as eligible, as the ref clearly looked right at him.

It was to cause trickery and confusion. But some fans and the media can not let it go and understand the truth.

Like @Cowboys5217 not sure what you’re trying to say. I covered that point. Think I was very fair with the info we have.

1. Lions designed a sneaky 2 pt play before the game where it looked like #70 was reporting as eligible but in fact #68 was reporting. Confirmed.

3. Play went off as planned but in moment, and 3 guys next to him, ref got confused and called out on game speaker that #70 was the eligible. Confirmed.