Coaches and their scheme

[Verdict]

I know this idiotic high school girls basketball coach who used to say "I just need players who fit my scheme". What he really meant was I don't have any idea what I am doing, so give me a bunch of very athletic girls who can do it without me. If every player I have is better than every player you have, I can win some games.

The Cowboys coaches (particularly Marinelli) seem to be hell bent on finding a unicorn set of players to fit his scheme. If he only can find a Warren asap to man the 3 we can do some damage!!!!

News flash! Warren Sapp is a dinosaur. He is extinct as an NFL player. So looking for dinosaurs isn't really fruitful. If you stumble on one great, by all means draft him, but banking on finding one isn't a sound strategy.

He seems obsessed with finding a 1 Tech who can penetrate and still do everything a 1 does well. News flash! Those guys are unicorns and even if you find one, unless you draft first overall you aren't going to be able to draft him anyway.

These guys need to see what is available and draft reasonably available talent to accomplish a stated goal on a reasonably frequent basis instead of constantly looking for another Warren Sapp, Booger McFarland and John Lynch.

The Hoodie has been successful over time for several reasons:

1. He drafts players with high floors and low bust probability.
2. He adapts his scheme to fit what his players do well.
3. He makes the other team do what they don't want to do/can't do very well.
4. He changes his game plan weekly to match up well against his competitor.
5. He has Tom Brady.
6. He doesn't draft stupid football players or malcontents.
7. He doesn't overpay for mediocre talent, and doesn't pay a player who can't play out his contract.
8. They play in a pretty mediocre division which gives them more lottery tickets.

That's the Patriot formula for success. Brady makes up for many imperfect decisions, but it's about consistency.

Stop looking for Warren Sapp. Take what you have and do what they do well. If you can run it for five yards on every play a coach should be fired if he ever called a pass play in that instance.

 

[erod]

Good players play football good.

I hate the "scheme" nonsense, too. You either can play, or you can't play.

 

[Dre11]

Good players play football good.

I hate the "scheme" nonsense, too. You either can play, or you can't play.

This is true and it’s not true, some players are good at certain things, some goodnplayers are more versatile.
Having a scheme with players that fit it can be just as good. But in the end I don’t care which one you prefer but the players must fit scheme you run to be successful.

 

[gmoney112]

Since when is coveting a DL with talent that can get after the passer a "scheme" thing?

 

[conner01]

Hoodie man finds players that fit his scheme too
He just has a better one

 

[CouchCoach]

The offensive scheme dominating the college game is making it not only longer for a lot of these players to click but harder and some will falter because of it. Time was, a player just had to do it better, now many have to do it better and different. QB's learning to play under center, WR's learning the difference in college open and NFL open, OL from the spread trying to fit into the typical NFL formation and if the NFL moves closer to the run, they will struggle even more, hybrid TE's learning to block in the run game. The only players that are having it easier are the RB's and even then they have to learn they can't bounce everything out. There will always be the speed adjustment but the scheme adjustment is just as tricky.

You give me the talent on the 85 Bears, 00 Ravens and 03 Bucs and I'll run any scheme and be successful. Players that can read, cover and tackle can play in any scheme. Too often, the DC is compensating with a scheme to attempt to overcome a deficiency(s). Marinelli has been doing that since he got here.

Remember when we first shifted to the 3/4? We couldn't run it correctly and had to play it safe when it is designed to be attacking. Why? According to Parcells the 3/4 is based on every man winning his battle and we didn't have that.

Schemes and systems are overplayed, that's like playing chess with checker pieces. It's all about the matchups, that's what Belichick plays and he's done that with a 3/4, 4/3 and 5/2 and 5/1/5 and is responsible for most of the DB formations that confuse QB's.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

These threads just don't get better.

Also nothing wrong with having a style of play that you prefer and drafting and acquiring talent to that style.

Afterall that is why everyone wants us to draft a guard in round 1 right?

 

[Idgit]

It's a 1-gap defense. People just need to accept that and stop asking why we don't want a 2-gapping DT prospect in here.

 

[Big_D]

It's a 1-gap defense. People just need to accept that and stop asking why we don't want a 2-gapping DT prospect in here.

basically cause the 1 gap D never works out. The D falling short is the annual tradition and IMO it boils down to the lack of playmakers on that interior.

 

[Idgit]

basically cause the 1 gap D never works out. The D falling short is the annual tradition and IMO it boils down to the lack of playmakers on that interior.

You know I'm not a fan of our defense. But it has actually trended upward each year (IIRC) under Marinelli (points/defensive series basis). The issue isn't the one-gapping. It's that we haven't spent the money and premium picks on that side of the ball, and when we have, we've gotten players like Claiborne, Gregory, and Jaylon for our trouble. Our guys just haven't been very good.

I'm all for an upgrade at 1-tech, too. But it does need a guy who can get upfield a little bit. And we have to have better LB play behind him, overall.

 

[northerncowboynation]

I know this idiotic high school girls basketball coach who used to say "I just need players who fit my scheme". What he really meant was I don't have any idea what I am doing, so give me a bunch of very athletic girls who can do it without me. If every player I have is better than every player you have, I can win some games.

The Cowboys coaches (particularly Marinelli) seem to be hell bent on finding a unicorn set of players to fit his scheme. If he only can find a Warren asap to man the 3 we can do some damage!!!!

News flash! Warren Sapp is a dinosaur. He is extinct as an NFL player. So looking for dinosaurs isn't really fruitful. If you stumble on one great, by all means draft him, but banking on finding one isn't a sound strategy.

He seems obsessed with finding a 1 Tech who can penetrate and still do everything a 1 does well. News flash! Those guys are unicorns and even if you find one, unless you draft first overall you aren't going to be able to draft him anyway.

These guys need to see what is available and draft reasonably available talent to accomplish a stated goal on a reasonably frequent basis instead of constantly looking for another Warren Sapp, Booger McFarland and John Lynch.

The Hoodie has been successful over time for several reasons:

1. He drafts players with high floors and low bust probability.
2. He adapts his scheme to fit what his players do well.
3. He makes the other team do what they don't want to do/can't do very well.
4. He changes his game plan weekly to match up well against his competitor.
5. He has Tom Brady.
6. He doesn't draft stupid football players or malcontents.
7. He doesn't overpay for mediocre talent, and doesn't pay a player who can't play out his contract.
8. They play in a pretty mediocre division which gives them more lottery tickets.

That's the Patriot formula for success. Brady makes up for many imperfect decisions, but it's about consistency.

Stop looking for Warren Sapp. Take what you have and do what they do well. If you can run it for five yards on every play a coach should be fired if he ever called a pass play in that instance.

Ok Verdict, while I agree with not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, or spending years trying to shave off the edges to make it fit, players aren't on Hoody's team if they don't do it his way. Hoody does not fit the scheme to the players. He drafts players who are committed to learning the system, practicing the system, doing it 100% without attitude. The Pats don't go over board in free agency.

As far as I can see we haven't looked for Warren Sapp or Lynch. We pass those guys over. Booger McFarland, nah, he was a JJ fave in college What are we lacking? Tom Brady for one. Belly for another. McDaniels for a third. I'd add Patricia but I wasn't impressed by their D in the 2016 or 2017 SB and they got sh1t house lucky against Seattle!

Good post though. If you're going to emulate a team, emulate the best

 

[xwalker]

I know this idiotic high school girls basketball coach who used to say "I just need players who fit my scheme". What he really meant was I don't have any idea what I am doing, so give me a bunch of very athletic girls who can do it without me. If every player I have is better than every player you have, I can win some games.

The Cowboys coaches (particularly Marinelli) seem to be hell bent on finding a unicorn set of players to fit his scheme. If he only can find a Warren asap to man the 3 we can do some damage!!!!

News flash! Warren Sapp is a dinosaur. He is extinct as an NFL player. So looking for dinosaurs isn't really fruitful. If you stumble on one great, by all means draft him, but banking on finding one isn't a sound strategy.

He seems obsessed with finding a 1 Tech who can penetrate and still do everything a 1 does well. News flash! Those guys are unicorns and even if you find one, unless you draft first overall you aren't going to be able to draft him anyway.

These guys need to see what is available and draft reasonably available talent to accomplish a stated goal on a reasonably frequent basis instead of constantly looking for another Warren Sapp, Booger McFarland and John Lynch.

The Hoodie has been successful over time for several reasons:

1. He drafts players with high floors and low bust probability.
2. He adapts his scheme to fit what his players do well.
3. He makes the other team do what they don't want to do/can't do very well.
4. He changes his game plan weekly to match up well against his competitor.
5. He has Tom Brady.
6. He doesn't draft stupid football players or malcontents.
7. He doesn't overpay for mediocre talent, and doesn't pay a player who can't play out his contract.
8. They play in a pretty mediocre division which gives them more lottery tickets.

That's the Patriot formula for success. Brady makes up for many imperfect decisions, but it's about consistency.

Stop looking for Warren Sapp. Take what you have and do what they do well. If you can run it for five yards on every play a coach should be fired if he ever called a pass play in that instance.

I would say it's the opposite in regards to 1tech. They are not obsessed enough to put resources into getting one.

Marinelli is content to "make do" with whatever at 1tech.

Where Marinelli is obsessed is in regards to effort. Their in-season grading process rewards scrubs like Nick Golden Cock Hayden for not having any "loaf" plays.

 

[Tangle_Foot]

I believe you can get a one Gap One tech that can penetrate and not get washed out, you just need to pull the trigger in rounds 1 through 3. it's not likely that you will find what you need in the 7th round or as an undrafted free agent.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I know this idiotic high school girls basketball coach who used to say "I just need players who fit my scheme". What he really meant was I don't have any idea what I am doing, so give me a bunch of very athletic girls who can do it without me. If every player I have is better than every player you have, I can win some games.

The Cowboys coaches (particularly Marinelli) seem to be hell bent on finding a unicorn set of players to fit his scheme. If he only can find a Warren asap to man the 3 we can do some damage!!!!

News flash! Warren Sapp is a dinosaur. He is extinct as an NFL player. So looking for dinosaurs isn't really fruitful. If you stumble on one great, by all means draft him, but banking on finding one isn't a sound strategy.

He seems obsessed with finding a 1 Tech who can penetrate and still do everything a 1 does well. News flash! Those guys are unicorns and even if you find one, unless you draft first overall you aren't going to be able to draft him anyway.

These guys need to see what is available and draft reasonably available talent to accomplish a stated goal on a reasonably frequent basis instead of constantly looking for another Warren Sapp, Booger McFarland and John Lynch.

The Hoodie has been successful over time for several reasons:

1. He drafts players with high floors and low bust probability.
2. He adapts his scheme to fit what his players do well.
3. He makes the other team do what they don't want to do/can't do very well.
4. He changes his game plan weekly to match up well against his competitor.
5. He has Tom Brady.
6. He doesn't draft stupid football players or malcontents.
7. He doesn't overpay for mediocre talent, and doesn't pay a player who can't play out his contract.
8. They play in a pretty mediocre division which gives them more lottery tickets.

That's the Patriot formula for success. Brady makes up for many imperfect decisions, but it's about consistency.

Stop looking for Warren Sapp. Take what you have and do what they do well. If you can run it for five yards on every play a coach should be fired if he ever called a pass play in that instance.

I also think they look for guys that can help and play right away. They look for smart, level headed football players that can come in can contribute. They are NOT looking for home runs. They barely even sign guys long term unless they are something really special.

They avoid PROJECTS.

 

[Miller]

Just interesting tweets as to how teams run things

 

[charron]

You know I'm not a fan of our defense. But it has actually trended upward each year (IIRC) under Marinelli (points/defensive series basis). The issue isn't the one-gapping. It's that we haven't spent the money and premium picks on that side of the ball, and when we have, we've gotten players like Claiborne, Gregory, and Jaylon for our trouble. Our guys just haven't been very good.

I'm all for an upgrade at 1-tech, too. But it does need a guy who can get upfield a little bit. And we have to have better LB play behind him, overall.

very true. Scheme is fine, but we have missed with the few high picks we have used.

Round 1- claiborn and jones.
Round 2- jaylon, lee, randy
pick 2&3 trade up dlaw

Out of 6 which guy is the unquestionable stud? Lee when healthy is the best of the bunch. But similar questions regarding mo and Law.