Coaching Comparisons

[wileedog]

That Ravens game where he let the clock run down on offense instead of running another play or two to get in better FG position. He coached scared as usual and forced Bailey to kick like a 54 yard FG when there was ample time to get closer. Bailey barely missed and we lost.

The Green Bay game we were winning 26-3 at the half so RHG decided to get pass happy the whole 2nd half and we coughed up the game. Even the GB players after the game couldn't believe how stupid we had been.

 

[birdwells1]

Bruce Arians;

You have to consider him , the way he subbed for the IND colts and the way he changed the Arizona into a winning team is no small job.

May be some of the best minds in forum can specify the things he had done to make the team so successful without major overhaul of personnel.

Bruce Arians Accountability Board:
“It’s really just a sheet on an overhead (projector),” Arians said. “But yeah, we start every meeting with all of the mental errors and penalties. You know, Cardinals beating Cardinals.”

To say Arians is a stickler for details wouldn’t be giving the “Accountability Board” due justice. Any misstep, misread, misdeed and mistake is jotted down, and the offending player pays for it by basically being ripped apart by Arians in front of the entire team.

Turn the wrong way after finishing a block? You’re on the list. Were you two seconds late getting to the huddle? You’re on the list. Didn’t drop back that one extra step into coverage? You’re on the list.

“Trust me,” veteran pass rusher John Abraham said, “you don’t want your name on there. You don’t want to be called out in front of everybody. It would be different if it was just in your own (positional) meeting room.

“But when you get singled out like that, it stings, man. I was on there once, and I didn’t like it, either.”

Arians estimates he’s been relying on this scared-straight teaching tool for almost 25 years now and it usually brings about the desired results. It wakes the player up like a hard slap across the face and the player responds by not repeating the mistake.

“Yeah, but he’ll get you for the littlest thing,” rookie running back Andre Ellington complained. “You can step wrong and you’ll be on that board the next morning, getting yelled at.”

“That’s why I like it, though,” said Daryl Washington, Pro Bowl middle linebacker, “because even the smallest things can beat you.”

Arians may have his favorites, but he doesn’t play them when it comes to his mass public maligning sessions. If you screw up, you’re going to get called out whether your name is Larry Fitzgerald or Padric Scott, the team’s fourth-string nose tackle.

“Anybody is fair game if you make a mistake,” second-year tackle Bobby Massie said. “I was on there earlier in camp but I haven’t been on there for a week and a half. That’s a good thing, too.”

The “Accountability Board” might just be a sheet on an overhead projector, but its weight is legendary. It’s brought the proudest of savvy NFL veterans to their knees.

“I think Reggie put it the best last year — ‘You don’t want to be on that list,’ ” said Arians, the Indianapolis Colts’ head coach last season, referring to Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne. “He had one bad day, very similar to Larry when we moved him into a new position, and he was up on there like seven times.

“He came into my office, livid. I said, ‘Hey dude, you’ll get off of it.’ He said, ‘I’m never going to be on it again.’ I don’t think he was. It’s a pride factor.”


Here's more:
Players at his stops have loved playing for Arians because he rules with tough love. He doesn't sugarcoat. If you're playing badly, he'll tell you -- and not always in a nice way. He yells. He screams. He loses his temper one second and he hugs you the next. It's a rare trait, Keim said, but Arians has mastered the art of having a short memory.

“You respect that as a player,” Campbell said.


On Calais Campbell:
Arizona Cardinals coach Bruce Arians is known to publicly call out some of his top players, presumably as motivation.Calais Campbell is the latest to have his play questioned by the coach. The remarks came in Arians' Monday day-after news conference following Sunday's 34-20 victory at Cleveland. "He needs to be dominating the game," Arians said. "He got very close, but he loses his technique sometimes and doesn't use his hands. He should have had a four-sack day. His stats were minimal." Campbell had three tackles, one quarterback hit and no sacks against the Browns. "He's got the talent (to dominate a game)," Arians said, "and he's shown he can. He needs to do it all the time."


Imo, I think that in the salary cap era the talent is pretty much spread evenly throughout the league and it's the coaches that can get the talent to play beyond expectations that are successful. The excerpts I posted JG would never call out his players publicly, it's not like Arians is throwing his players under the bus it's that he wants them to play to their abilities and if being called out in front of the team or in the media work then that's what he'll do and the players know it and respect it.

Boy do I miss the days of Jimmy.

 

[birdwells1]

Let's take a trip down memory lane.

Let's try to recall all of Garrett's 'growing pains'.

I'll start with the infamous game @ Arizona when he iced his own kicker.

Your turn.

Icing the kicker wasn't the problem, it was not calling the timeout after the Dez reception. He had 2 timeouts left with somewhere like 30 seconds left and didn't call a to and try to get more yards.

 

[Staubacher]

But Garrett has those cute sayings on the wall and the creepy nameless faceless dummy!

Bruce Arians Accountability Board:
“It’s really just a sheet on an overhead (projector),” Arians said. “But yeah, we start every meeting with all of the mental errors and penalties. You know, Cardinals beating Cardinals.”

To say Arians is a stickler for details wouldn’t be giving the “Accountability Board” due justice. Any misstep, misread, misdeed and mistake is jotted down, and the offending player pays for it by basically being ripped apart by Arians in front of the entire team.

Turn the wrong way after finishing a block? You’re on the list. Were you two seconds late getting to the huddle? You’re on the list. Didn’t drop back that one extra step into coverage? You’re on the list.

“Trust me,” veteran pass rusher John Abraham said, “you don’t want your name on there. You don’t want to be called out in front of everybody. It would be different if it was just in your own (positional) meeting room.

“But when you get singled out like that, it stings, man. I was on there once, and I didn’t like it, either.”

Arians estimates he’s been relying on this scared-straight teaching tool for almost 25 years now and it usually brings about the desired results. It wakes the player up like a hard slap across the face and the player responds by not repeating the mistake.

“Yeah, but he’ll get you for the littlest thing,” rookie running back Andre Ellington complained. “You can step wrong and you’ll be on that board the next morning, getting yelled at.”

“That’s why I like it, though,” said Daryl Washington, Pro Bowl middle linebacker, “because even the smallest things can beat you.”

Arians may have his favorites, but he doesn’t play them when it comes to his mass public maligning sessions. If you screw up, you’re going to get called out whether your name is Larry Fitzgerald or Padric Scott, the team’s fourth-string nose tackle.

“Anybody is fair game if you make a mistake,” second-year tackle Bobby Massie said. “I was on there earlier in camp but I haven’t been on there for a week and a half. That’s a good thing, too.”

The “Accountability Board” might just be a sheet on an overhead projector, but its weight is legendary. It’s brought the proudest of savvy NFL veterans to their knees.

“I think Reggie put it the best last year — ‘You don’t want to be on that list,’ ” said Arians, the Indianapolis Colts’ head coach last season, referring to Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne. “He had one bad day, very similar to Larry when we moved him into a new position, and he was up on there like seven times.

“He came into my office, livid. I said, ‘Hey dude, you’ll get off of it.’ He said, ‘I’m never going to be on it again.’ I don’t think he was. It’s a pride factor.”


Here's more:
Players at his stops have loved playing for Arians because he rules with tough love. He doesn't sugarcoat. If you're playing badly, he'll tell you -- and not always in a nice way. He yells. He screams. He loses his temper one second and he hugs you the next. It's a rare trait, Keim said, but Arians has mastered the art of having a short memory.

“You respect that as a player,” Campbell said.


On Calais Campbell:
Arizona Cardinals coach Bruce Arians is known to publicly call out some of his top players, presumably as motivation.Calais Campbell is the latest to have his play questioned by the coach. The remarks came in Arians' Monday day-after news conference following Sunday's 34-20 victory at Cleveland. "He needs to be dominating the game," Arians said. "He got very close, but he loses his technique sometimes and doesn't use his hands. He should have had a four-sack day. His stats were minimal." Campbell had three tackles, one quarterback hit and no sacks against the Browns. "He's got the talent (to dominate a game)," Arians said, "and he's shown he can. He needs to do it all the time."


Imo, I think that in the salary cap era the talent is pretty much spread evenly throughout the league and it's the coaches that can get the talent to play beyond expectations that are successful. The excerpts I posted JG would never call out his players publicly, it's not like Arians is throwing his players under the bus it's that he wants them to play to their abilities and if being called out in front of the team or in the media work then that's what he'll do and the players know it and respect it.

Boy do I miss the days of Jimmy.

 

[Staubacher]

Icing the kicker wasn't the problem, it was not calling the timeout after the Dez reception. He had 2 timeouts left with somewhere like 30 seconds left and didn't call a to and try to get more yards.

So he did that in the AZ game as well as the Ravens game? Man what a dummy

 

[jterrell]

Seems like Parcells was grooming Payton to eventually be the Dallas HC but Jerrah told Payton to go to NO and instead opted for Jason Garrett.

Payton went to Jerrah first, probably hoping for a promise of the future Dallas job but Mr. Foresight told him to leave.

Dude, stop.
That isn't what happened.

Payton turned down a head job a year earlier to stay here.
He took the Saints job because he had all the pieces he wanted including getting Brees at QB.

Payton still has a house in Dallas and all speculation has been around Dallas every time he was remotely discussed as leaving the Saints.
BECAUSE HE AND JERRY LIKE EACH OTHER.

The Jerry Jones witch hunt stuff is stupid.

He chose Garrett and deserves any blame for any failure there but Payton simply took a promotion to head coach while we had a legend in place.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Dude, stop.
That isn't what happened.

Payton turned down a head job a year earlier to stay here.
He took the Saints job because he had all the pieces he wanted including getting Brees at QB.

Payton still has a house in Dallas and all speculation has been around Dallas every time he was remotely discussed as leaving the Saints.
BECAUSE HE AND JERRY LIKE EACH OTHER.

The Jerry Jones witch hunt stuff is stupid.

He chose Garrett and deserves any blame for any failure there but Payton simply took a promotion to head coach while we had a legend in place.

Don't muddy the water with facts.

 

[BHendri5]

what is the point? Peyton is not here, Haley is not here. We have Garrett that is it. we will not be hiring those guys, plain and simple.

 

[Blast From The Past]

Well, duh, youve left out all of the SBs Garrett won as a coach

Didn't mention Garrett's fathers career like it did Haley's.

 

[birdwells1]

Didn't mention Garrett's fathers career like it did Haley's.

That would've made it 3 sentences long.

 

[wileedog]

Payton turned down a head job a year earlier to stay here.
He took the Saints job because he had all the pieces he wanted including getting Brees at QB.
.

Mostly true. Payton was hired in January of 2006, Brees wasn't signed until March, and actually almost went to Miami.

He took the job without having a QB in place, and in fact tried to trade for Romo but Bill refused.

That said, it has long been speculated that Jerry became infatuated with Jason after Payton's success in NO because he wanted his own, home grown young coach after losing Payton.

 

[TheDude]

Icing the kicker wasn't the problem, it was not calling the timeout after the Dez reception. He had 2 timeouts left with somewhere like 30 seconds left and didn't call a to and try to get more yards.

This was the game that solidified he was ill prepared at end of games and was no where near ready to coach on the big stage.

• 1st and 15 at 50
  (1:06 - 4th) T.Romo pass incomplete short left to L.Robinson
  
  
• 2nd and 20 at DAL 45
  (1:01 - 4th) T.Romo pass short left to D.Bryant to ARZ 46 for 9 yards (P.Peterson)
  
  
• 3rd and 11 at ARI 46
  (0:31 - 4th) T.Romo pass short middle to D.Bryant to ARZ 31 for 15 yards (P.Peterson)
  
  
• 1st and 10 at ARI 31
  (0:08 - 4th) T.Romo spiked the ball to stop the clock.
  
  
• 2nd and 10 at ARI 31
  (0:07 - 4th) Timeout #2 by DAL at 00:07.
  
  
• 2nd and 10 at ARI 31
  (0:07 - 4th) D.Bailey 49 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-M.McBriar.

2 Timouts, pass complete to Dez with :27 seconds left at the 31. the next play - clock it, then TO while letting 20 seconds run off. Just mind boggling. I remember watching it at a large Bar in LA and every cowboys fan in the area simultaneously yelled "Time Out" when Dez caught it. Then went to "Why is he not taking the TO?" to a unanimous "*** are you doing?" This always gets lost is the "icing the kicker" red herring

2011 was the same year the blew a 27-3 lead to Detroit, followed by a questionable end to the 20-16 NE game (playing safe and giving ball back to NE with 2min left when a first down or 2 ends it.

 

[Rogerthat12]

This is not to show that Jason Garrett should be fired but to show that he never should have been hired. These are the coaching resumes before they got their first head coaching jobs and all 3 are around the same age.

Sean Payton:
Early coaching career[edit]
Payton began his coaching career in 1988 as an offensive assistant at San Diego State University. He made a series of assistant coaching positions at Indiana State University, Miami University (OC), Illinois, and again at San Diego State (running backs coach), before landing a job as the quarterbacks coach with the Philadelphia Eagles in 1997.[13]

He coached Marshall Faulk from 1992 to 1993[14] while serving at San Diego State.

As OC at Miami University, he helped RB Deland McCullough run for over 1,100 yards.[15] In 1995, the team scored the most points in a season (326) since 1986 and finished 8-2-1.[16] RB Deland McCullough ran for over 1,600 yards with 14 TD and QB Sam Ricketts also threw 14 TD.

At the University of Illinois in 1996,[17] he coached QB Scott Weaver, who completed 56% of his passes for over 1,700 yards and 7 TD.

Philadelphia Eagles[edit]
From 1997 to 1998, Payton was quarterbacks coach for the Philadelphia Eagles and worked with offensive coordinator Jon Gruden and offensive line coach Bill Callahan. In 1998, Gruden and Callahan left for the Oakland Raiders, and Eagles head coach Ray Rhodes and Payton were fired.[18] The Eagles' quarterbacks passed for 4,009 yards in 1997.[19]

New York Giants[edit]
In 1999 Sean Payton was hired as the quarterbacks coach for the New York Giants and was promoted to the role of offensive coordinator in 2000. Under his guidance, the Giants would go on to represent the NFC in Super Bowl XXXV.[20] During this time, he was known to lock himself in the stadium and sleep on the couches while studying plays during off-days.

At around 6:45 a.m. on September 11, 2001, the New York Giants' flight from Denver, where the Giants played the Denver Broncos for the first Monday Night Football game of 2001, landed at the gate of Newark Liberty International Airport next to United Airlines Flight 93, the flight that was hijacked and eventually crashed in rural Pennsylvania. Payton recalls this moment in his autobiography Home Team: Coaching the Saints and New Orleans Back to Life.[21] During the 2002 season, after several poor showings by the Giants' offense, Payton's role in play-calling was taken over by then head coach Jim Fassel. Under Fassel the offense improved and propelled the team to a wild-card playoff berth. While Payton was still ostensibly in charge of the offense, his role in the team was clearly diminished and had he not been hired away by the Dallas Cowboys, he likely would have been fired.

Dallas Cowboys[edit]
Payton joined Bill Parcells and the Cowboys as an assistant head coach and a quarterbacks coach in 2003, where he helped coach Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe to 3,000-yard seasons.

In 2005, he was promoted by Parcells to assistant head coach/passing game coordinator.



Todd Haley:
Early years[edit]
Haley was born on February 28, 1967, in Atlanta, Georgia [1] He is the son of Dick Haley, formerly Director of Player Personnel for the Pittsburgh Steelers (1971–1990) and New York Jets (1991–2002) and also a former NFL cornerback (1959–1964).[2]

As a youth, Haley was a ball boy for the Steelers and attended Steelers training camps with his father.[2] Alongside his father, Haley would watch the Steelers' game and practice film.[2][3] While his family was located in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania for his father's profession, Haley attended Upper St. Clair High School.[2] He went on to attend the University of Florida and University of Miami, playing on the two schools' respective golf squads.[2] Haley graduated from the University of North Florida in 1991 with a bachelor's degree in communication.[2]

Assistant coaching career, 1995–2008[edit]
Haley was hired by the New York Jets in 1995 and served as an assistant in the scouting department for two seasons. At the time, Haley's father Dick was working with the Jets as Director of Player Personnel.[3] In 1997, he was promoted to offensive assistant/quality control coach and worked closely with then-offensive coordinator Charlie Weis. From 1999 to 2000 Haley was the Jets' wide receivers coach, helping Keyshawn Johnson make his second Pro Bowl appearance. During his tenure with the Jets, Haley began his association with Scott Pioli, who served as Director of Pro Personnel for the Jets from 1997 to 1999. Pioli later became the general manager of the Kansas City Chiefs and hired Haley as the team's head coach in 2009.

In 2001, Haley joined the Chicago Bears as wide receivers coach and served in the position until 2003. In 2002, he helped Marty Booker become the first Bears Pro Bowl wide receiver since 1971.

From 2004 to 2006, Haley was the wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. Haley helped develop quarterback Tony Romo and the Cowboys' passing offense, which centered around wide receivers Terry Glenn and Terrell Owens.

In 2007, Haley joined Ken Whisenhunt's coaching staff for the Arizona Cardinals as the team's offensive coordinator. Haley did not start calling plays for the Cardinals until late in the season.[4] The Cardinals finished in the top half of the NFL in multiple offensive categories.

Under Haley’s guidance, the Cardinals offense in 2008 was one of the league’s most innovative and explosive units.[2] Arizona tied for third in the league in scoring, registering a franchise-record 427 points (26.7 ppg).[2] The Cardinals were fourth in total offense, averaging 365.8 yards per game.[2] Arizona was second in the league in passing offense (292.1 ypg) and ranked sixth in the NFL with 20.5 first downs per game.[2]The Cardinals finished the season with a 9–7 record and a playoff berth after winning the NFC West Division title. The Cardinals went on to appear in their first Super Bowl in franchise history after the team scored more than 30 points in each of its three playoff games.

In Super Bowl XLIII, the Cardinals offense played the NFL's top-ranked Pittsburgh Steelers defense.[5] Trailing 17–7 at halftime, the Cardinals offense fought back after a 13-point deficit and led the game 23–20 with just over two minutes remaining.[5] The Cardinals lost 27–23 in the game's final seconds.[5]

Jason Garrett
Miami Dolphins[edit]
After retiring as a player, he became the quarterbacks coach for the Miami Dolphins in 2005–2006 under head coach Nick Saban.

Dallas Cowboys[edit]
In January 2007, Garrett was hired by the Dallas Cowboys as offensive coordinator. He guided the Cowboys to the 2nd best offense in the NFL, which made him an attractive head coaching prospect.

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[Apollo Creed]

This was the game that solidified he was ill prepared at end of games and was no where near ready to coach on the big stage.

2 Timouts, pass complete to Dez with :27 seconds left at the 31. the next play - clock it, then TO while letting 20 seconds run off. Just mind boggling. I remember watching it at a large Bar in LA and every cowboys fan in the area simultaneously yelled "Time Out" when Dez caught it. Then went to "Why is he not taking the TO?" to a unanimous "*** are you doing?" This always gets lost is the "icing the kicker" red herring

2011 was the same year the blew a 27-3 lead to Detroit, followed by a questionable end to the 20-16 NE game (playing safe and giving ball back to NE with 2min left when a first down or 2 ends it.

And we didn't even need a degree from Princeton to understand that.

I don't get how such a bright guy, can be so ill-prepared in crunch time on the grandest of stages. It's mind boggling to me. That's why a guy like Reeves as a 'consultant' would've worked wonders for those 'training' years - but Jason doesn't play well with others.

 

[jobberone]

He also gives the best press conferences (this has been repeatedly listed as Garrett's best attribute by Red homies)

Instead of deleting this I'm going to ask you to stop these ad hominem attacks on nebulous people who you don't even have the courage to name. Since it's not directed at anyone in particular, perhaps you feel it does not violate guidelines. It is called trolling.

Stop calling people homies, apologists or whatever and I suggest you read the @Reality posts. Going from one thread to another and repeating this mantra is tiresome. Take it to one of the numerous threads approved for the bashing of Garrett or anyone else you deem it necessary.

This goes for everyone not just you.

 

[mmohican29]

So many examples of poor in game management got Jason's play card pulled. Yet he still fails. What exactly does he offer the club?

I can think of no less than 6 games the HC LOST on his own, and another three or 4 that he won because he was bailed out by the team. He is as horrific and cowardly as has ever been a coach in this league. Seriously: I bet if someone were really paying attention- you'd find he was bailed out as much by the team as any coach in the NFL in his wins, and could probably shoulder the blame for almost as many losses as the team's execution.

Garrett is a joke. A clapping Ronald McDonald who noone takes seriously. I would love one of our more studious posters to compile a list of games lost by the Cowboys where Garrett's own game management or lack of control over such (if Romo threw it when the play was a run- GB/DET?). I bet the list is no less than ten games in totality.

Forget the total failure playbook- this is a guy that doesn't know to hit the start button to call TO after playing 500 games of Madden, or to run clock when up 4 TD's. He's a nice man but he is hopeless.

 

[CyberB0b]

I don't think there is a less experienced head coach in the NFL, unless you count Dan Campbell.

 

[Wolfpack]

Kicking a field goal down 20+ in the third should tell you what you need to know.
A deer in the headlights.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Icing the kicker wasn't the problem, it was not calling the timeout after the Dez reception. He had 2 timeouts left with somewhere like 30 seconds left and didn't call a to and try to get more yards.

Finally. Icing the kicker is so stupid. If you can be "iced" you won't be in teh NFL very long. The mistake was the play you mentioned. It was a def. mistake and led to the defeat. I still blame bailey though, regardless of the situation, he is paid to make that kick and he didn't execute. Yes Garrett should have done more to help and that is on him but Bailey should have made that kick.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think it is very apparent, to even Garrett's biggest supporters, that he was a very inexperienced hire for head coach and that has had a significant affect on the results during his coaching tenure.

The results are factual and not open to interpretation.........Garrett has been head coach for 5 full seasons and has produced exactly one playoff season.

So the question becomes, is this good enough? Ask yourself how many current head coaches in the NFL have only 1 playoff season in their last 5 years coaching in the league (be it with their current team or former team as well carrying over).

I cant think of a single one, can you?