Coaching has Nothing to do with Seattle Abusing the Broncos

[jobberone]

So what are the signs of correct technique execution, a legitimate pass rush, and talented players playing to their potentials?

I know it's easy to bash Garrett as a coach but the same style of offense won Baltimore a SB.

The coaches decide what type of scheme they are going to run based on what their personnel can do. Each offense requires a different skillset and that's where the good GMs can find players that will suit the coaches schemes.

Despite the many variations of offenses that are out there, they all have the same concepts built in them. (verticals, corner/flat, levels, flood, etc) What the good offenses do is they figure out what they are good at, and they run those plays out of multiple formations to confuse the defense. Peyton Manning ran a total of 7 plays from 13 different formations in Indy and the Broncos are no different. Manning is successful because he can check into a different concept at the LOS when he knows the defense in front of him.

The SB was a great example of flawless technique and having a constant pass rush that disrupts the QB's rhythm. Manning didn't have time and they constantly harassed him every chance they got, while the backend played their assignments well. Seattle is going to be a good team for a long time and they should be thanking their lucky stars that they got a HC like Carroll.

Great post.

 

[casmith07]

Funny how when DB were calling out knowing the routes of Cowboys WRs in Garrett's offense for years, Garrett homers just kept and keep blowing it off.

There literally exists precisely no evidence of this ever occurring. If this is your opinion, then preface the comment with that. Otherwise, this is not the kind of post that you should put out there.

 

[texbumthelife]

This thread is full of absolute fail... Wow

Jason, did you start this?

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Sorry Khiladi, observing the game plan, Seattle won absolutely because of Coaching.

 

[TheCount]

So you think the players found out about Manning's tendency on certain plays by them selves, without their coaches getting involved? Please....

No, he was trying for sarcasm but it ended up being confusing as to what his point was. Now people are arguing with him that actually agree with him.... which is hilarious.

 

[khiladi]

Coaching has Nothing to do with Seattle Abusing the Broncos

Oh Lord, I forgot how bad many of the zone members are at understanding sarcasm... especially when I make the statement:

If people don't understand how stopping one of the most prolific, if not most prolific offense ever, applies to Jason Garrett's offense and it's simplicity, then I don't know what to say.

Last time I checked, Jason Garrett is a coach and we are running his offense and I am talking about players knowing what Manning was going to do, which made one of the most prolific offenses ever, let alone Red Ginger's, so easy to dominate...

 

[cowboys1981]

The coaching and execution from players contributed to the blow out. The entire organization seems to be in sync with all eyes in the same path.

 

[khiladi]

I think you're thread title is a little misleading...

Not if it was sarcastic and I'm clearly making an analogy with Jason Garrett's simplistic offense, while still acknowledging that it is abundantly clear that Seattle has talent in the very first sentence.

 

[khiladi]

There literally exists precisely no evidence of this ever occurring. If this is your opinion, then preface the comment with that. Otherwise, this is not the kind of post that you should put out there.

I'll take Sherman's word for it and it's absolute dominance over the most prolific offense ever as better evidence for that position than you, just like tI take he Ravens players like Ray Lewis calling out Garrett's play-calling the very same year they throttled the offense as better evidence than Garrett homers defense of his play calling.

 

[khiladi]

No, he was trying for sarcasm but it ended up being confusing as to what his point was. Now people are arguing with him that actually agree with him.... which is hilarious.

The first post ever in the history of the zone that people couldn't understand clear sarcasm.... get it

 

[LatinMind]

http://elitedaily.com/sports/richar...ense-knew-peyton-mannings-hand-signals-calls/

While it is abundantly clear that Seattle has talent, part of the reason they won, per Richard Sherman is precisely because they knew and understood what Peyton Manning was throwing at them. They understood the tendencies. He also mentioned the ability to adjust on Peyton's part with double-moves could have opened up their offense. If people don't understand how stopping one of the most prolific, if not most prolific offense ever, applies to Jason Garrett's offense and it's simplicity, then I don't know what to say.

This is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever read. Peyton is a great QB. I think all that we knew this and that is all bull^^^^. This is just a young team winning with no class. They gambled on their DL beating the OL and they did. Plain and simple. I have never heard any NFL team be so disrespectful to another super bowl team ever. They werent jumping any routes, they were playing man had their safties playing up because they knew the OL was getting beat so bad. Seattle better be looking out for some cheap shots next yr the way theyre being so disrespectful to teams. Starting with their two games with SF.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There literally exists precisely no evidence of this ever occurring. If this is your opinion, then preface the comment with that. Otherwise, this is not the kind of post that you should put out there.

What I have always loved how people claim that they themselves 'know' what the Cowboys are going to call on each down and distance. Then you press and it turns into guessing run or pass and that is only good at best about a 70% clip. You never ever hear about actual route combinations or blocking schemes.

The constant stories and gap filling that goes on around here is amazing. I just wish people in absences of credible information would just admit that they do not know. That is a big part of wisdom to me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The first post ever in the history of the zone that people couldn't understand clear sarcasm.... get it

derisive sarcasm in verbal communication is almost always accompanied by the drawl that identifies it. If you are in a group of people that you do not know and deadpan it then that is generally considered very condescending (re:trolling).

i get that this is another example of your 'clear' sarcasm but the failure is not on other's parts because they didn't recognize your sarcasm. Quite the contrary, it's a failure on your part to communicate effectively. You have not grasped the differences in mediums and just blithely carry on.

 

[Redball Express]

http://elitedaily.com/sports/richar...ense-knew-peyton-mannings-hand-signals-calls/

While it is abundantly clear that Seattle has talent, part of the reason they won, per Richard Sherman is precisely because they knew and understood what Peyton Manning was throwing at them. They understood the tendencies. He also mentioned the ability to adjust on Peyton's part with double-moves could have opened up their offense. If people don't understand how stopping one of the most prolific, if not most prolific offense ever, applies to Jason Garrett's offense and it's simplicity, then I don't know what to say.

And how is this not coaching?

Of course the coaches tracked his audibles and calls all year.

So because the players were schooled in it..that's not teaching?


Why do you think coaches are enjoying the high salaries like the players are?

Becuz the coaches are the difference b/w winning and losing.

That's why.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Am I really saying that or am I saying Garrett's a joke of a coach and defenses easily figured him out which is why our best years under him were when we went up-tempo and Romo essentially free-wheeling...

So is Peyton a joke of a QB since the 'Hawks figured him out? Dallas' offense has been consistently good during JG's time as OC/HC.

 

[Section446]

Coaching is 50% of the equation, win or lose.

 

[Alexander]

This is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever read. Peyton is a great QB. I think all that we knew this and that is all bull^^^^. This is just a young team winning with no class. They gambled on their DL beating the OL and they did. Plain and simple. I have never heard any NFL team be so disrespectful to another super bowl team ever. They werent jumping any routes, they were playing man had their safties playing up because they knew the OL was getting beat so bad. Seattle better be looking out for some cheap shots next yr the way theyre being so disrespectful to teams. Starting with their two games with SF.

It is not a gamble if you are sound in what you have been taught and execute it. Seattle got Manning out of his comfort zone. He is used to dictating to the defense, they dictated to him. They made him rush what he does and it clearly showed in the results. And yes, they were jumping the short routes. They were on the field, yet somehow you know better?

And honestly, I fail to see where "class" comes into it. We were not exactly humble when we shut down the Bills' offense in the first Super Bowl. Young players do that. And if were Dallas celebrating a Super Bowl win after shutting down one of the greatest offenses in league history, I doubt you would be worried all that much about how they are saying they did it.

 

[LatinMind]

It is not a gamble if you are sound in what you have been taught and execute it. Seattle got Manning out of his comfort zone. He is used to dictating to the defense, they dictated to him. They made him rush what he does and it clearly showed in the results. And yes, they were jumping the short routes. They were on the field, yet somehow you know better?

And honestly, I fail to see where "class" comes into it. We were not exactly humble when we shut down the Bills' offense in the first Super Bowl. Young players do that. And if were Dallas celebrating a Super Bowl win after shutting down one of the greatest offenses in league history, I doubt you would be worried all that much about how they are saying they did it.

They werent jumping any routes. If they were they wouldve been getting clear cut INTs. Both Seattles INT came on bad throws because of pressure. If they were jumping them short routes they wouldve been alot of pick 6s for manning. Manning completed short routes at will. thats what they were giving them. If they knew they were allowing them short out routes how come they didnt go after the ball? Seattle just played man and went for the hit when they caught it for stops.

Im not saying i know better, Im saying Seattle is disrespecting teams. If they knew Mannings signals for routes they wouldve had more turnovers.

Dallas wasnt humble, they were a bunch of coke heads playing for a coach who stressed play on the field and turned his head on their off the field stuff. But Dallas wasnt interviewing anybody who would listen saying they knew what the bills were doing, it was game over, we knew we would outhit them. Blah blah blah.

 

[casmith07]

What I have always loved how people claim that they themselves 'know' what the Cowboys are going to call on each down and distance. Then you press and it turns into guessing run or pass and that is only good at best about a 70% clip. You never ever hear about actual route combinations or blocking schemes.

The constant stories and gap filling that goes on around here is amazing. I just wish people in absences of credible information would just admit that they do not know. That is a big part of wisdom to me.

I agree. It goes on about everything about the team and makes discussing the organization a chore.

derisive sarcasm in verbal communication is almost always accompanied by the drawl that identifies it. If you are in a group of people that you do not know and deadpan it then that is generally considered very condescending (re:trolling).

i get that this is another example of your 'clear' sarcasm but the failure is not on other's parts because they didn't recognize your sarcasm. Quite the contrary, it's a failure on your part to communicate effectively. You have not grasped the differences in mediums and just blithely carry on.

It's not sarcasm. He's back pedaling like Deion since he's been throttled.

 

[Hook'em#11]

I think you're thread title is a little misleading...

And completely stupid as well.