College "post season"

[Draegerman]

They were saying on Mike and Mike this morning that if this exact scenario had happened in the SEC that Texas would be going to the Big 12 title game.

Yep, heard them mention it as well. They also included the ACC for having the same tie-breaker as the SEC.

If you're going to try to throw all the conferences in the same boat with the BCS, wouldn't it make sense to all have the same tiebreakers?

Mind you, I'm not saying which one should win out, but the whole system is so disjointed that it makes it maddening.

I totally agree. Each conference should be on the same page when it comes to having the same rules and same tie-breakers. Taking it one step further, a conference championship should also be mandated for all the BCS conferences. I believe the Pac-10, Big East & Big Ten currently do not have one.

I'm a Texas fan, but more than that, I wanted this system blown up for the greater good. I wanted the three way tie, and we got it. Just a little disappointed that with the three way tie it turned out the way it did, but I like that it's caused this much controversy.... like it does every year.

I'm a Texas fan too and I have to admit that even though this really sucks for us at the present, it's going to provide some primo Grade-A motivation for UT during next year's RRS. That's the one game that I'll be eagerly counting down the days for on my calendar - because it's going to be a great one!

 

[CATCH17]

It's called timing.

Which from now on dimishes the RRS.

If you lose that game your still ok via style points.

Thanks College football.

 

[Route 66]

Which from now on dimishes the RRS.

If you lose that game your still ok via style points.

Thanks College football.

To put it simply-if Texas beat OU 2-3 games ago instead of when you guys did, there would be a different team taking our place.

 

[Mavs Man]

I heard an interesting scenario earlier today. I don't think this is very likely (I think voters will prevent this), but there is a possibility that Florida could beat Alabama yet find itself as #3 in the BCS, leaving OU to play Texas in the BCS Championship game. Most of the computers have Oklahoma and Texas several spots ahead of Florida and Alabama, so it is a possibility, albeit a low one.

If it does happen, then you will see an uproar.

 

[Hank Johnson]

OU did more than just win with style points. They played two teams in the non conference that really helped boost them past UT.

Everyone knew that if OU finished the season with a victory over a #2 team and #12 team on the road, that they would probably pass UT because OU was already barely behind them. I just don't understand why everyone is so surprised.

A lot of things were factored in during making this decision, and style points played a small part. You can't just sit here and discount the fact that Oklahoma has more quality wins than Texas and Texas' loss couldn't have come at a worse time, and it made them look very "unchampionship."

Hell, I would've put UT over OU due to the simple fact that they are about to go into Kansas City and play a competent spread offense WITHOUT Ryan Reynolds and now Austin Box.

OU loses in KC.

 

[Dallas]

OU did more than just win with style points. They played two teams in the non conference that really helped boost them past UT.

Everyone knew that if OU finished the season with a victory over a #2 team and #12 team on the road, that they would probably pass UT because OU was already barely behind them. I just don't understand why everyone is so surprised.

A lot of things were factored in during making this decision, and style points played a small part. You can't just sit here and discount the fact that Oklahoma has more quality wins than Texas and Texas' loss couldn't have come at a worse time, and it made them look very "unchampionship."

Hell, I would've put UT over OU due to the simple fact that they are about to go into Kansas City and play a competent spread offense WITHOUT Ryan Reynolds and now Austin Box.

OU loses in KC.

Im taking bets via PM. Don't be a wank and wank out Hank.

PM me your terms. You said the SAME thing about Oklahoma in Stillwater.

 

[Hank Johnson]

Im taking bets via PM. Don't be a wank and wank out Hank.

PM me your terms. You said the SAME thing about Oklahoma in Stillwater.

I also said OU would destroy Tech in Norman.

 

[Route 66]

I also said OU would destroy Tech in Norman.

It doesn't matter Hank. Your last shot at an attempted forecast of who would win failed miserably and it's the latest and greatest forecast successes that matter. Therefore your BCS ranking is -10.

 

[CATCH17]

Hell, I would've put UT over OU due to the simple fact that they are about to go into Kansas City and play a competent spread offense WITHOUT Ryan Reynolds and now Austin Box.

OU loses in KC.

Hank, OU is going to kill Missouri.

Football is still about defense and Mizzou still hasn't figured out what that is.

They will get ran on and the game will be over in the 1st quarter.

Mizzou's biggest win this season is against an awful Illinois team.

I think OU's athletes, and No Huddle offense now make them impossible to upset if you don't have the athletes they do.

If you have = talent or better and play strong defense your more than likely going to beat OU.

Texas has done it 3 out of the last 4 years and I would be shocked if next year isn't 4 out of 5.

I'd also be shocked if OU doesn't lose their 5th straight BCS. When they play with the "big boys" they become Texas Tech themselves because of their defense.

 

[Rogah]

Not really a follower of Div 1-AA and their playoff system, but I'm curious as to how successful it's been for them. I'm sure that there's always going to be a few teams from time to time that get left out (as is the case with any sport with a playoff format) but is the overall concensus a positive one for Div 1-AA playoffs?

As far as I know, it is. There are 16 teams in the FCS (1-AA) playoffs so you really don't have a legitimate contender being left out. Nobody is going to feel sorry for the #17 team.

It's like the basketball tourney. 65 teams make it in, but there are always a few "bubble" teams that say how unfair it is that they were left out. But none of those bubble teams are seen a legit championship contenders so everyone forgets about them once the tourney starts.

The problem with FBS football is are always teams that have a legitimate claim to a championship that are going to be left out.

 

[CATCH17]

As far as I know, it is. There are 16 teams in the FCS (1-AA) playoffs so you really don't have a legitimate contender being left out. Nobody is going to feel sorry for the #17 team.

It's like the basketball tourney. 65 teams make it in, but there are always a few "bubble" teams that say how unfair it is that they were left out. But none of those bubble teams are seen a legit championship contenders so everyone forgets about them once the tourney starts.

The problem with FBS football is are always teams that have a legitimate claim to a championship that are going to be left out.

and...?

Its better than someone picking who plays in a "title game".

 

[Draegerman]

As far as I know, it is. There are 16 teams in the FCS (1-AA) playoffs so you really don't have a legitimate contender being left out. Nobody is going to feel sorry for the #17 team.

It's like the basketball tourney. 65 teams make it in, but there are always a few "bubble" teams that say how unfair it is that they were left out. But none of those bubble teams are seen a legit championship contenders so everyone forgets about them once the tourney starts.

The problem with FBS football is are always teams that have a legitimate claim to a championship that are going to be left out.

You're right but if they went to a 16 team playoff format like Div 1-AA, all of this would be moot. The BCS could have 8 legitimate bowl games in a playoff format, (8-4-2-1), and the whole scenario could easily play out within a 30 day period, culminating into a legitimate BCS Champion.

Why is this so freakin' hard to conceive? Do the networks really believe viewers want to see some random bowl game like the GMAC/Meineke/Sponsored by Vaginal/Citrus Bowl featuring the mighty #63 ranked Trojan Condoms vs. the #87 ranked Virginia Viagras?

Sheesh!!!:bang2: :bang2:

 

[Rogah]

and...?

And nothing. I thought my statement stood pretty well on its own, but after re-reading it I think I worded it very poorly so perhaps I need to clarify.

What I meant was the problem with FBS football as it is currently constituted is the system frequently results in a team who is a legitimate champion contender being left out in the cold. IMHO, USC is a legitmate contender this year but they are going to be left out. As will Texas (if OU wins). And don't even get me started on Utah, Boise St. or Ball St and the absurdity of a system where undefeated teams are even mentioned as contenders.

You don't see that in FCS football or the basketball tournament.

 

[Rogah]

You're right but if they went to a 16 team playoff format like Div 1-AA, all of this would be moot. The BCS could have 8 legitimate bowl games in a playoff format, (8-4-2-1), and the whole scenario could easily play out within a 30 day period, culminating into a legitimate BCS Champion.

Why is this so freakin' hard to conceive? Do the networks really believe viewers want to see some random bowl game like the GMAC/Meineke/Sponsored by Vaginal/Citrus Bowl featuring the mighty #63 ranked Trojan Condoms vs. the #87 ranked Virginia Viagras?

Sheesh!!!:bang2: :bang2:

I agree, and that is what I wish they would do. Select the top 8 teams, take 2 second tier bowls and 2 BCS bowls and play them in mid-December. Take the other 2 BCS bowls and have a "Football Final 4" on New Year's Day. Play the BCS Championship a week later.

All other bowls, including all the New Year's Day Bowls, would continue as normal, selecting from the rest of the teams that didn't make the top-8.

I honestly don't see why they think the current format is better and more profitable than this idea. A hell of a lot more people would watch the Cotton Bowl if it was a playoff between #3 TX versus #6 USC (or something like that) than will be watching it otherwise. Even the BCS Bowls under the current format often have clunkers. Is anyone even remotely excited to watch Cincinnati versus BC in the Orange Bowl?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I can't wait to hear their excuse now after the season after having another year that we will get a unclear champion.

To many teams can make a case and its like this every year.

Florida is the best team in my opinion but out of the 3 one loss teams may be the least deserving.

USC lost to Oregon State on the road.

Texas lost to Tech on the road after playing the toughest stretch of games in College ball this season.

Penn State, and Tech also have somewhat of a case as well. Penn State more than Tech.

I don't want to get into the Utahs and Boise States because Semi Good teams should go undefeated with those schedules but I believe they do have a small case as well.

As a former fan, until there is some type of playoff system in effect, I think the regular season is even more diminished now because yesterday proved that Opinions and things Players can't control are whats important in deciding the College football champion.

It started in 2000 with Miami and it has carried on ever since.

Voters get enamored with style points.

If you are a team that wins with Defense you are handicapped because of how people vote as well.

College football was destroyed yesterday and it won't become meaningful again until they have a system that allows you to have a true champion because this year, like many other, we wont get that.

Florida is the best team yet the lost to Ole Miss? I don't see the logic.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Division 2 does it right. There is no argument about the best team.

And I think there should be a playoff format. Take the top 16 ranked teams and do playoffs. There would be a true champion that isn't determined by votes or a stupid computer. Thats why college football doesn't have my respect.

 

[CATCH17]

Florida is the best team yet the lost to Ole Miss? I don't see the logic.

Oh I agree with you completely.

OU, Texas, and USC are all more deserving than Florida.

I just think if all teams bring their A game Florida is the best.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Oh I agree with you completely.

OU, Texas, and USC are all more deserving than Florida.

I just think if all teams bring their A game Florida is the best.

Actually Utah should jump them all and Bama should play Utah in the title game.

 

[Hank Johnson]

Oh I agree with you completely.

OU, Texas, and USC are all more deserving than Florida.

I just think if all teams bring their A game Florida is the best.

I agree with you here. Florida actually has the worst case to play for the NC. It's the SEC factor though.

If they knock off #1 and undefeated Alabama, I think we'll get the two most deserving teams in OU and Florida though.

USC is just being punished because they play in a horrible conference. Same with the Big 10.

It's all setting itself up for a future playoff so you should be excited for that.

But please don't discount the teams, players, and coaches that go out and bust their ***** to get to the top. Whoever wins the National Championship should get the respect a champion deserves.