Commanders apologize for Portis' remarks on dog fighting; Samuels says he was wrong

[Bob Sacamano]

First of to Summer: it must be really old riding on otheres coattails all the time. i still have yet to see you propose a single idea in this whole discussion that you could call your own. Ive pointed this out to you before on other topics and perhaps it might be something for you to think on. There is a reason the word tool became known as an insult. Try taking notes from some of the others. They disagree with me and then give there own reasons as to why then we have a discussion. Your input is always 'youre wrong because they said so.'

unbelievable, I don't know what everyone else has to do w/ me, I find dog-fighting one of the most useless brands of entertainment ever conceived, torturing animals and then pitting them against one another in a confined area to leave them to maim another animal or die is outrageous, and for what? so some greedy individuals can fatten their pockets? this is an issue that is illegal, and something that I find very wrong

and frankly, you trying to point out things other than the topic at hand is a huge copout on your part

btw, my own idea was that comparing dog-fighting w/ the slaughtering of cows is a horrible comparison, as slaughtering cows benefits mankind, while dog-fighting benefits only the individual who has to do nothing more than electro-shock, poke, punch, kick, and hit defenseless animals and send them onto a most certain end, but think of it what you will

but I want you to answer a question I have, what makes dog-fighting right? is it the issue standing by itself, or is it only wrong because the same people who are against dog-fighting are hearty meat eaters?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Dont even go there. If you want to base morality on deuteronomy or leveticus then lets just say you would be found very very lacking.

But once again I appreciate how you fail to think for yourself.

I don't recall anyone else bringing the Bible into this discussion, but please, correct me if I'm wrong and show me the post before that where someone uses the Bible in this thread

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't recall anyone else bringing the Bible into this discussion, but please, correct me if I'm wrong and show me the post before that where someone uses the Bible in this thread

the whole of deuteronomy and leviticus which you are referencing is some guy from 4000 years ago telling you how to think and act.

whats sad is that genesis is pretty specific that god gave animals to us to do with as we want.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

unbelievable, I don't know what everyone else has to do w/ me, I find dog-fighting one of the most useless brands of entertainment ever conceived, torturing animals and then pitting them against one another in a confined area to leave them to maim another animal or die is outrageous, and for what? so some greedy individuals can fatten their pockets? this is an issue that is illegal, and something that I find very wrong

and frankly, you trying to point out things other than the topic at hand is a huge copout on your part

btw, my own idea was that comparing dog-fighting w/ the slaughtering of cows is a horrible comparison, as slaughtering cows benefits mankind, while dog-fighting benefits only the individual who has to do nothing more than electro-shock, poke, punch, kick, and hit defenseless animals and send them onto a most certain end, but think of it what you will

but I want you to answer a question I have, what makes dog-fighting right? is it the issue standing by itself, or is it only wrong because the same people who are against dog-fighting are hearty meat eaters?

its not just the meatpacking industry.

the veal and fur industry only benefit our vanity and desire to earn money. they are perfectly acceptable.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

the whole of deuteronomy and leviticus which you are referencing is some guy from 4000 years ago telling you how to think and act.

whats sad is that genesis is pretty specific that god gave animals to us to do with as we want.

I don't think God intended animals to be tortured and then killed

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think God intended animals to be tortured and then killed

you do understand how the bible says how to kill animals for slaughter and for sacrifice dont you? youre the one thats bringing it up.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

you do understand how the bible says how to kill animals for slaughter and for sacrifice dont you? youre the one thats bringing it up.

it's not beating them, kicking them or electrocuting them, and THEN sending them in for more punishment in a fight to the death, it's not a long, drawn out process in the Bible

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it's not beating them, kicking them or electrocuting them, and THEN sending them in for more punishment in a fight to the death, it's not a long, drawn out process in the Bible

if im not mistaken it its slitting their throat and then hanging them upside down to allow the blood to drain out.

so youre saying that sometimes its alright to torture animals and others not?

 

[peplaw06]

it's not beating them, kicking them or electrocuting them, and THEN sending them in for more punishment in a fight to the death, it's not a long, drawn out process in the Bible

You really can't compare Biblical times to modern times. At least not in terms of treatment of animals. There are a lot of things that were done in those days that are completely unacceptable now. We execute people today by lethal injection with very little pain. The form of execution back then was one of the most brutal forms in history.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You really can't compare Biblical times to modern times. At least not in terms of treatment of animals. There are a lot of things that were done in those days that are completely unacceptable now. We execute people today by lethal injection with very little pain. The form of execution back then was one of the most brutal forms in history.

he was trying to say that the bible said dogfighting was bad. he was shown to be wrong but now is trying to twist it into something else.

it says animals are mans to do with as he wishes and that only man has a soul and as such animals dont.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You really can't compare Biblical times to modern times. At least not in terms of treatment of animals. There are a lot of things that were done in those days that are completely unacceptable now. We execute people today by lethal injection with very little pain. The form of execution back then was one of the most brutal forms in history.

I only brought the Bible up because Crown Royal said that slaughtering cows for meat is somehow immoral

 

[Bob Sacamano]

he was trying to say that the bible said dogfighting was bad. he was shown to be wrong but now is trying to twist it into something else.

:laugh2: that's not what I said at all, I merely pointed out, using the Bible, that slaughtering cows isn't immoral which Crown Royal claimed it was

 

[Bob Sacamano]

fair enough, but no matter how inhumane slaughtering cows may seem, it's for a useful purpose

Utility does not justify immorality if reasonable alternative is available.

you ever read the Bible? slaughtering cows is not immoral

peplaw, fuzzy, this is how the Bible came into play

notice dog-fighting is not a point of this discussion

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2: that's not what I said at all, I merely pointed out, using the Bible, that slaughtering cows isn't immoral which Crown Royal claimed it was

actualy from what i could gather he didnt take one position or antoher.

he was just saying utility does not justify something. He sounds like he takes the opposite view that I do but for exactly the same reasons as strange as that sounds.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

actualy from what i could gather he didnt take one position or antoher.

that's not the issue, we actually went away from the dog-fighting issue to one debating slaughtering cows as a source of food

he was just saying utility does not justify immorality.

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