Commanders RG Thomas to have surgery on torn left triceps

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firehawk350;1656021 said:
Missing the entire right side of the line, still 4th in the league rushing (ahead of Dallas I might add). Only allowed 3 sacks. Not too shabby.

That 4th in the league rushing stat is helped JUST a little by playing an overtime period, in which y'all ran the ball 7 times for 46 yards... take that extra playing time out of the equation, and the Skins have run the ball 67 times for 275 yards, 9th best in the league... their 4.1 yards per carry average would rank them 15th in the NFL...

The Boys already have the higher yards per carry average, 4.7 to 4.3, and have scored more rushing TDs, 4 to 2... this despite running the ball 8 fewer times in the 2 games...

As for the 3 sacks in 2 games, part of that is because the Skins have thrown the ball the 5th fewest times in the league (50)... part of it is because Campbell has been real good escaping the pressure-- he ranks second (behind Vince Young) in number of carries by a QB, with 10... so the Skins have called 60 pass plays in the first two games, Campbell has been sacked 3 times, forced to run 10 times...

Doesn't sound like the pass blocking has been that good to me... if Campbell keeps on running five times a game, he'll never make it through all 16 games...

And since you seemed to want to compare our two teams, the Boys have given up fewer sacks, in more attempts (2 sacks, 53 attempts), and Romo has only had to run the ball 7 times (which is still too often)...

See what happens when you look at the stats HONESTLY?? The truth is, y'all have faced two struggling defenses thus far, and that more than anything explains the offensive success the Skins have had...

If you can call averaging 18 points a game "offensive success"... LOL...

Hmmmm, I might be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Kendall went to the pro bowl. So that would make two.

Yup, you're mistaken... he came into the league in 1996, and a quick check of each year's Pro Bowl rosters over on pro-football-reference.com shows no Pete Kendall on any of those rosters...

So that would bring us back to one...
 

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firehawk350;1656021 said:
Missing the entire right side of the line, still 4th in the league rushing (ahead of Dallas I might add). Only allowed 3 sacks. Not too shabby.

Once again, the Skins' offensive stats are skewed by having played an overtime already... but let's take a look at those stats with the overtime, and without it in the equation:

Total Offense-- 11th with the overtime stats, 14th without...

Yards Per Play-- 10th with the overtime, 13th without...

Scoring-- 20th with the overtime, 21st without...

First Downs Per Game-- tied 11th with the overtime, 22nd without...

So, even with the overtime, the Skins are about the 12th to 15th best offense out there right now... but if you take the overtime out of the equation, and give them the same number of minutes played as the other teams, you're looking at a middle of the pack offense, 15th or 16th best...

Guess that offensive line play hasn't been that impressive after all...
 

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silverbear;1656057 said:
That 4th in the league rushing stat is helped JUST a little by playing an overtime period, in which y'all ran the ball 7 times for 46 yards... take that extra playing time out of the equation, and the Skins have run the ball 67 times for 275 yards, 9th best in the league... their 4.1 yards per carry average would rank them 15th in the NFL...

Could it be because teams have loaded the LOS to stop the run??? No way... I guess LT is done too...

silverbear;1656057 said:
The Boys already have the higher yards per carry average, 4.7 to 4.3, and have scored more rushing TDs, 4 to 2... this despite running the ball 8 fewer times in the 2 games...

YPC, let's see. Who has the highest YPC in the league... Cedrick Wilson. A WR... As a matter of fact, the top 3 spots are held by WRs. The first RB is Marcel Shipp who plays for AZ. The first person with 10 or more carries??? Jason Campbell. The first RB with 10 or more carries??? Chris Brown with Tennessee. Then jamal lewis, Najed davenport and Derrick Ward. What can we discern from all this??? LT sucks (2.9 YPC which puts him at 133rd in the league) and the Skins are starting the wrong person at RB. Okay okay, you must mean by team, let's look at the teams.

Cleveland Browns are the league's best rushing attack (in YPC). Funny how I don't hear anything about how great their line is, surely they must have an all-world RB. Jamal Lewis. Good, but I doubt he's in the discussions of a top 15 RB. Let's move onto the number 2 team, the Giants. Again, I don't hear anything about how great THEIR OL is either. And their RB??? Derrick Ward. How about the great Chargers, who purportedly has the best rushing attack in the league and a great OL??? 32nd in the league, LAST. Your rushing attack being measured by YPC holds no water. Unless you think the Browns are the best rushing team (which in turn means the best OL in the run game) and the Chargers the worst.

silverbear;1656057 said:
As for the 3 sacks in 2 games, part of that is because the Skins have thrown the ball the 5th fewest times in the league (50)... part of it is because Campbell has been real good escaping the pressure-- he ranks second (behind Vince Young) in number of carries by a QB, with 10... so the Skins have called 60 pass plays in the first two games, Campbell has been sacked 3 times, forced to run 10 times...

The 5th fewest times in the league... So, if a team throws quick 3 step drops 10 times and gets sacked once and the QB runs once more, is that better or worse than a team that drops back 10 times, throws 10+ yards each time and is sacked twice and the QB runs once. My point being is the Skins haven't run any screens and very few slants. Most of the passes are downfield, meaning Campbell takes more steps in his drop than most QBs do, therefore allowing more pressure and making him scramble more. Anyways, looking that sacks thing, we're 10th in the league in least sacks given up (3) so that corresponds roughly with the 5th least passes.

silverbear;1656057 said:
Doesn't sound like the pass blocking has been that good to me... if Campbell keeps on running five times a game, he'll never make it through all 16 games...

Yeah, I doubt his tiny 235 lb frame can take the punishment. In that case, I sure hope poor Ladell Betts doesn't have to run more than 5 times a game, his little 225 lb frame can't take it...

silverbear;1656057 said:
And since you seemed to want to compare our two teams, the Boys have given up fewer sacks, in more attempts (2 sacks, 53 attempts), and Romo has only had to run the ball 7 times (which is still too often)...

Comparisons are kinda bunk right now as the Skins are missing their right side of the line and you faced the mighty mighty Giants defense, who gave up 35 points to the same Packers that the struggling eagles defense held to 16. I dare say you faced one of the weakest defenses in the league, if not the very weakest.

silverbear;1656057 said:
See what happens when you look at the stats HONESTLY?? The truth is, y'all have faced two struggling defenses thus far, and that more than anything explains the offensive success the Skins have had...

If you can call averaging 18 points a game "offensive success"... LOL...

I'll admit that the offense isn't clicking on all cylinders, but despite that, we've posted some good/great games rushing and still managed some decent numbers total yardage-wise. We need to punch it in and have some things that need to be fixed, but it's coming on slowly.

Struggling defenses??? Until the Eagles defense faced us, they were #1 in the league stopping the run. Despite giving up 300+ yards to the Skins, they still sit at #6 overall. True, Miami is struggling, but you faced them (25th in the league) and the Giants (29th in the league).



silverbear;1656057 said:
Yup, you're mistaken... he came into the league in 1996, and a quick check of each year's Pro Bowl rosters over on pro-football-reference.com shows no Pete Kendall on any of those rosters...

So that would bring us back to one...

I think that would still give us Samuels and Rabach, but whatever. You put FAR too much stock into pro bowls, especially for linemen. It's all about name recognition.
 

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silverbear;1656118 said:
Once again, the Skins' offensive stats are skewed by having played an overtime already... but let's take a look at those stats with the overtime, and without it in the equation:

Total Offense-- 11th with the overtime stats, 14th without...

Yards Per Play-- 10th with the overtime, 13th without...

Scoring-- 20th with the overtime, 21st without...

First Downs Per Game-- tied 11th with the overtime, 22nd without...

So, even with the overtime, the Skins are about the 12th to 15th best offense out there right now... but if you take the overtime out of the equation, and give them the same number of minutes played as the other teams, you're looking at a middle of the pack offense, 15th or 16th best...

Guess that offensive line play hasn't been that impressive after all...
Did you take out overtime for the Lions, Vikings, Broncos and the Raiders? Anyways, it doesn't matter as each game ends at a different time. Does a team suck at running if it just runs up the gut for the last 5 minutes to run out the clock??? Or if a team takes a knee to end the game (like Campbell did for the last 70 seconds)? Can we go ahead and chop off all the stats for every team at that point because the other team wasn't playing for those last two minutes???
 

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The Skins O line is weaker now then it was. Fact. Their depth is now GONE. Fact. Fabini is not as good as the man he replaced. Fact.
Just a matter of time before they show it.
 

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firehawk350;1656178 said:
I dare say you faced one of the weakest defenses in the league, if not the very weakest.

You realize you just painted yourself into a corner considering your team faces them this weekend, right?
 

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Like I said, we are not hitting on all cylinders yet and I doubt we will be by the Giants game either. But I think we'll do better against the giants than we have so far.
 

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burmafrd;1656201 said:
The Skins O line is weaker now then it was. Fact. Their depth is now GONE. Fact. Fabini is not as good as the man he replaced. Fact.
Just a matter of time before they show it.
Actually, we still have Stephon Heyer who did pretty well so far. He replaced Jansen in the Miami game and did a rather good job. Other than that, we only have one more back-up (Pucillo) as a virtue of only carrying 9 guys on the roster, which is what the boys did too. If you lost Bigg and colombo, who would you put out there?
 

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firehawk350;1656219 said:
Actually, we still have Stephon Heyer who did pretty well so far. He replaced Jansen in the Miami game and did a rather good job. Other than that, we only have one more back-up (Pucillo) as a virtue of only carrying 9 guys on the roster, which is what the boys did too. If you lost Bigg and colombo, who would you put out there?


Who? Oh, we got oline depth...young oline depth! No worries there...


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firehawk350;1656219 said:
Actually, we still have Stephon Heyer who did pretty well so far. He replaced Jansen in the Miami game and did a rather good job. Other than that, we only have one more back-up (Pucillo) as a virtue of only carrying 9 guys on the roster, which is what the boys did too. If you lost Bigg and colombo, who would you put out there?
Most likely Proctor and McQuisten.
 

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AmishCowboy;1656227 said:
Most likely Proctor and McQuisten.
You would like to say they'd swim, but you just don't know until you throw them in the pool...
 

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Also, to those inquiring minds, Thomas is supposed to spend 10-12 weeks out with the injury.
 

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firehawk350;1656259 said:
Also, to those inquiring minds, Thomas is supposed to spend 10-12 weeks out with the injury.

Does it look like the skins are gonna carry him on the roster for that long, or IR him?

That's a long time to eat up a roster spot for a guy that might be able to play well when he returns for the last 2-4 games.
 

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Firehawk- what little depth you had is now gone. Right? Trying to dodge that by talking about us is a troll tactic. Pathetic. Your O line is weaker now then when the season started. Are you trying to say it is not?
 
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