Common sense approach to TO

[fanfromvirginia]

Does it seem to anyone else that this whole TO thing is a little too polarized than it need be? Both sides have pretty good points but by taking sides, individuals are spewing nonsense in response to some pretty good points. I guess that's more fun but I'd rather get it right. So here's my effort at separating the good from the BS. And so people can judge rather or not I'm being fair, I'll say up front that I'm much more in sympathy with the anti-TOers than the pro-TOers.

Can we all agree that the media has been over the top at times because this is TO and the Cowboys? They have, for sure, paid much more attention to TO's hammie than to Smith's.

On the other hand, can we all agree that this argument cannot rationally be used as a trump card? For example, just because the media is out to get us does not mean that it's unimportant that TO is not practicing and BP requires players to practice.

Can we agree that TO's background is spotty at best? We know he plays hard, we know he keeps himself in shape, we know that the Eagles deserve some of the responsibility for his behavior. On the other hand, we know he's a headcase that causes problems.

On the current issue, can we not agree that TO might be faking it (at least to some extent) and that TO might be pushing this past where it needs to be pushed. But, on the other hand, can we not agree that TO might be telling the truth about having a sore hammy?

As for the field, can we not agree that if and when TO gets on the field he'll play well to great, regardless of his lack of practice and that were we to cut him today (a move I favor, by the way), our current group of receivers would be worse off? Sure, they look good now but just wait till DC's like Greg Williams figure out they can go back to doubling up on T. Glenn.

 

[maxsports]

I agree on the issue of his hammy and the media going over the top. What I have a problem with is he is now missing meetings and rehab. There should be no tolerance for this at all, I don't care who the player is. The problem, is TO seems to think he runs the team and the rules are his rules. He is dealing with the wrong coach. I don't care how good TO is, be a team player or go play golf where noone else has to rely on you.

 

[CanadaBoys]

you make some good points.... but i REALLY believe this is a lot of BS.... themedia is blowing this so far out of proportion that it's getting jsut plain rediculous.

NOTHING in TO's history suggests to me he is faking.... he has ALWAYS played and practiced at 100%..... why would he get the contract he has wanted all along and then immediately start faking injuries.....

we're talking about preseason here.... If it were regular season you can bet he'd be playing.... and playing well... but i highly highly doubt he's faking it.

Now missing a team meeting is a whole other thing.... i wouldn't cut him over it by any means.... but it also wouldn't ever be suggested (or even noteworthy) if it wasn't TO....

it's all complete overkill right now.... the media is DESPERATE for the situation to escalte into something real so they can have their story.... and we're buying right into it...

TO will play week 1, be fine and everyone will settle down,.... I'm sick of these overreactions....

 

[DBoys]

you make some good points.... but i REALLY believe this is a lot of BS.... themedia is blowing this so far out of proportion that it's getting jsut plain rediculous.

NOTHING in TO's history suggests to me he is faking.... he has ALWAYS played and practiced at 100%..... why would he get the contract he has wanted all along and then immediately start faking injuries.....

we're talking about preseason here.... If it were regular season you can bet he'd be playing.... and playing well... but i highly highly doubt he's faking it.

Now missing a team meeting is a whole other thing.... i wouldn't cut him over it by any means.... but it also wouldn't ever be suggested (or even noteworthy) if it wasn't TO....

it's all complete overkill right now.... the media is DESPERATE for the situation to escalte into something real so they can have their story.... and we're buying right into it...

TO will play week 1, be fine and everyone will settle down,.... I'm sick of these overreactions....

Good post. If posters knew how many guys miss meetings and are late they would chill. Even if you have an excuse you get fined we have no idea why he missed it yet.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

There's no need for another TO thread in which people say why they're pro or anti-TO. I had no intention of starting that.

I want people to own up to the issues that the OTHER side has right.

So, if you've got a pair, come on in here and state which of your opponents' arguments make sense...

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Good post. If posters knew how many guys miss meetings and are late they would chill. Even if you have an excuse you get fined we have no idea why he missed it yet.

You're violating my commonsense approach with this:

If posters knew how many guys miss meetings and are late they would chill. Even if you have an excuse you get fined we have no idea why he missed it yet.

unless you can provide evidence that other Cowboys have been fined for this this summer with little to no fanfare in which case you would have a great point...

 

[DBoys]

There's no need for another TO thread in which people say why they're pro or anti-TO. I had no intention of starting that.

I want people to own up to the issues that the OTHER side has right.

So, if you've got a pair, come on in here and state which of your opponents' arguments make sense...

The arguments on TO, thus far, hold up about as much as a 90 year old man's bladder. All of it is pure speculation and agenda driver BS. The only thing even remotely confirming something negative on TO is missing a meeting. Even with that we do not know the WHY!

 

[fanfromvirginia]

The arguments on TO, thus far, hold up about as much as a 90 year old man's bladder. All of it is pure speculation and agenda driver BS. The only thing even remotely confirming something negative on TO is missing a meeting. Even with that we do not know the WHY!

Interesting...apparently this whole commonsense approach isn't going to get very far...

 

[zrinkill]

Interesting...apparently this whole commonsense approach isn't going to get very far...

Nope its the I hate T.O. no matter what approach that is starting to get old.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Nope its the I hate T.O. no matter what approach that is starting to get old.

So there's no chance for you that the truth is somewhere in between?

 

[DBoys]

You're violating my commonsense approach with this:


unless you can provide evidence that other Cowboys have been fined for this this summer with little to no fanfare in which case you would have a great point...

I understand your wanting to disuss the topic objectively using common sense. My common sense tells me there is no discussion. Lie after lie has been reported about TO yet people want to discuss it? How can it be common sense to discuss conjecture? That would be drama not common sense. The only thing that has any weight as far as I am concerned is TO missing a meeting. It would be rash though to pass judgement since we don't know the story. As far being late it happens all the time and players get fined.

 

[zrinkill]

So there's no chance for you that the truth is somewhere in between?

Not sense your mind is already made up ..... If T.O. bothers ya so bad ..... dont watch him play.

 

[DBoys]

Interesting...apparently this whole commonsense approach isn't going to get very far...

If you analyze your post all your points cancel each other out and nothing is accomplished. There is simply not enough evidence either way for practical judgment.

That is why posters are bashing the media, bashing TO. They chose to take the side they wish and exaggerate accordingly.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Not sense your mind is already made up ..... If T.O. bothers ya so bad ..... dont watch him play.

My mind is certainly not made up. I'm leaning heavily against him but I believe that this could still get worked out, that if TO winds up playing he'll be a solid to great contributor, and that we are going to be in some trouble at least if we don't have him. I'll be perfectly happily to watch him play during the regular season but I'm becoming less convinced that that will happen. Hopefully I'll be wrong.

 

[FLcowboy]

Good post. If posters knew how many guys miss meetings and are late they would chill. Even if you have an excuse you get fined we have no idea why he missed it yet.

Well, most of us don't know how many players miss meetings which result in fines. It seems to me a responsible person who knew he had a conflict with a meeting would attempt to get excused from the meeting. I admit the Cowboys are going to be hurting without him, but TO needs to accept some responsibility here.

 

[DBoys]

It seems to me a responsible person who knew he had a conflict with a meeting would attempt to get excused from the meeting.

I agree but I wouldn't pass judement until we know the other side of the story. Also they could interview TO and he could say "The punishment is fair and I made a mistake and it won't happen again". He could also blow up