Comparing 12s

Galian Beast

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I want to keep the focus on the 12 formation and how we're going to eventually utilize it more and more as the season goes on, and as the years go on.

It's difficult to do an Apples to apples comparison to the Patriots, but that is what I'm going to attempt to do.

The Patriots first year with the 12 (Gronk and Hernandez) was 2010.

So lets compare the targets of Gronk and Hernandez to Witten and Hanna/Escobar.

Gronk and Hernandez were targeted 123 times (divided by 16 games, whether they both played that is irrelevant) gives you 7.6875 targets per game.

So far we've played 3 games so far. Witten and Hanna/Escobar (I use the two of them here because they are splitting time at #2 TE) have been targeted 33 times, which equates to 11 targets per game.

In the previous example, both new england tight ends were rookies, and in our example Witten is a veteran with a decade of experience, and Hanna is in his 2nd year.

But so far into this "experiment" I would say that we're going to the tight end a lot more than even the Patriots did in 2010, and you can only suggest that we'll go to Escobar/Hanna more as the season continues and they gain experience.

In his rookie year Gronkowski didn't receive more than 3 targets in a game until week 8. Going further we're obviously a more wide receiver oriented team than the Patriots.

How do we stack up against their numbers in 2011? Well they upped it to 14.8 receptions per game.

As things open up for us, I would expect much bigger things from Hanna and Escobar.

One thing that should be noted is just how accurate we've been this year. Romo is about 70% or higher with every receiver on the team except Dez who comes in at 62%.

If you look at the numbers, Romo is actually getting quite a bit of work out of almost everyone. I believe that will pay dividends as the season continues.
 

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I would like to see Hanna use his speed in some seam routes,all he does now is catch dump offs and block weakly for Murray.
 

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Pretty good writeup. But the biggest difference, especially when it comes to targets per game, is that Witten gets a lot of targets out of other packages, particularly the S11. I'd be surprised to find out that we are throwing to TEs as much as the Pats out of the 12.
 

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I love numbers (thanx for the comparison)...I am still waiting for that break-out game of the pass-catching portion of the 12-package...perhaps they are waiting for the Denver game?
 

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Pretty good writeup. But the biggest difference, especially when it comes to targets per game, is that Witten gets a lot of targets out of other packages, particularly the S11. I'd be surprised to find out that we are throwing to TEs as much as the Pats out of the 12.

Witten gets a lot of targets period. Probably averages more than those got combined during their rookie year.
 

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I want to keep the focus on the 12 formation and how we're going to eventually utilize it more and more as the season goes on, and as the years go on.

It's difficult to do an Apples to apples comparison to the Patriots, but that is what I'm going to attempt to do.

The Patriots first year with the 12 (Gronk and Hernandez) was 2010.

So lets compare the targets of Gronk and Hernandez to Witten and Hanna/Escobar.

Gronk and Hernandez were targeted 123 times (divided by 16 games, whether they both played that is irrelevant) gives you 7.6875 targets per game.

So far we've played 3 games so far. Witten and Hanna/Escobar (I use the two of them here because they are splitting time at #2 TE) have been targeted 33 times, which equates to 11 targets per game.

In the previous example, both new england tight ends were rookies, and in our example Witten is a veteran with a decade of experience, and Hanna is in his 2nd year.

But so far into this "experiment" I would say that we're going to the tight end a lot more than even the Patriots did in 2010, and you can only suggest that we'll go to Escobar/Hanna more as the season continues and they gain experience.

In his rookie year Gronkowski didn't receive more than 3 targets in a game until week 8. Going further we're obviously a more wide receiver oriented team than the Patriots.

How do we stack up against their numbers in 2011? Well they upped it to 14.8 receptions per game.

As things open up for us, I would expect much bigger things from Hanna and Escobar.

One thing that should be noted is just how accurate we've been this year. Romo is about 70% or higher with every receiver on the team except Dez who comes in at 62%.

If you look at the numbers, Romo is actually getting quite a bit of work out of almost everyone. I believe that will pay dividends as the season continues.


Thoughtful post where the OP does a little homework. Liking it! A couple of thoughts:
-Witten is targeted a ton whether we are in the 12 or not
-Everyone was talking how the 12 was going to be a base defense when we drafted Escobar. It hasn't been. It's just been one option.
-I'm still very skeptical on Escobar because of the lack of speed. And his TD didn't change my opinion at all, as it was just a major gaffe by the defense.
-I'd like to see more of Hanna

But again, nice job GB.
 

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Thoughtful post where the OP does a little homework. Liking it! A couple of thoughts:
-Witten is targeted a ton whether we are in the 12 or not
-Everyone was talking how the 12 was going to be a base defense when we drafted Escobar. It hasn't been. It's just been one option.
-I'm still very skeptical on Escobar because of the lack of speed. And his TD didn't change my opinion at all, as it was just a major gaffe by the defense.
-I'd like to see more of Hanna

But again, nice job GB.

I think Escobar has proved without question he can out jump the defensive backs, catch the ball, and come down with it cleanly. Now, if we would just run that play and throw it to him anyplace other than right at the back of the end zone where he can come down/get pushed out of bounds, we just might have something.
 
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