Comparing Combine OLB/DE Tweeners to Spencer

[JohnnyHopkins]

In the NFL today rush defense is no longer as important as a Pass Rush. We need to realize that we might have to give some on rush D to generate nmore Pass Rush.

I personally would still look toward upgrading the D-line over Spencer, but if they let him go I would still say Ingram is one heck of a replacement. The guy plays with one heck of a motor.

 

[TheCount]

I personally would still look toward upgrading the D-line over Spencer, but if they let him go I would still say Ingram is one heck of a replacement. The guy plays with one heck of a motor.

I think Ibgram may very well be the first DE taken at this point.

 

[robert70x7]

He is only 6 lbs less and 1 inch shorter than Ware when he was drafted. These kind of overgeneralizations and absolutes always confound me.

There have been OLBs in the past, and present, with similar dimensions. Clay Matthews, Von Miller, Derrick Brooks, etc.

Bruce Irvin is more likely drafted to be a 3-4 OLB, than a 4-3 DE.

But he is not an every down 3-4 OLB. I don't buy it. He isn't strong enough and would get engulfed by offensive lineman. We don't need another Ware, we already have one. We need complimentary pieces that, and a pass rush that can be generated from our defensive line that will make or SOLB that much better.

All he did was rush the passer, was situational and was never asked to play against the run or in zone coverage against the pass. We don't need a sack specialist, we need a complete 3-4 SOLB or two pieces that can make up one. If we draft Irvin in the 3rd for passing situations only, I'm fine with that. I think he has potential to develop into something else other than a pass rusher, but as an immediate fix I don't buy it.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Bequette is the dude. I would not have a problem letting spence walk if we drafted this kid. I say give spence a reasonable 2 year deal and if he takes it great, if not so long. Just gotta get this kid Bequette to Dallas.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The problem with Spencer, IMO, is not his physical skills. He has those, always has. That's why we drafted him.

 

[robert70x7]

The problem with Spencer, IMO, is not his physical skills. He has those, always has. That's why we drafted him.

If you compare him and Ware's physical skills, they are simply sub par in my opinion. And based on this year's combine, there are better athletes out there. Not saying that it means they will be better, just wanted to see the rankings for myself.

 

[casmith07]

If you compare him and Ware's physical skills, they are simply sub par in my opinion. And based on this year's combine, there are better athletes out there. Not saying that it means they will be better, just wanted to see the rankings for myself.

If you're comparing Spencer's skills to DeMarcus Ware, you've already set yourself up for failure when it comes to reasonable analysis.

 

[Aven8]

That's why the pick should be Ingram.

I'm not looking for a replacement for Spence. I just want more pass rushers period. If Ingram, or whomever could come and give me Aldon Smith numbers off the bench, or even close I'll take it. Right now we have nobody outside of Ware, Rat, and Butler who even have any rush skills.

 

[Dough Boy]

If you're comparing Spencer's skills to DeMarcus Ware, you've already set yourself up for failure when it comes to reasonable analysis.

Bingo. D. Ware is one in a decade type talent. He could easily play the SOLB in a 3-4 or 4-3 def end. If given the opportunity, he could get 4 picks, 12 sacks per year. Now, I would not advise dropping him in coverage enough to garner 4 ints, but you get the point. I would not beat against this dude.

Spencer is very athletic; he just is not D. Ware athletic. But then again, how many are in today's football.... Peppers, JPP, Urlacher (in his prime), Super Mario... Again, just talking athleticism not production.

When you add the two together, I can not believe he has never one defensive player of the month, let alone Def Player of the Year.

 

[texbumthelife]

But he is not an every down 3-4 OLB. I don't buy it. He isn't strong enough and would get engulfed by offensive lineman. We don't need another Ware, we already have one. We need complimentary pieces that, and a pass rush that can be generated from our defensive line that will make or SOLB that much better.

All he did was rush the passer, was situational and was never asked to play against the run or in zone coverage against the pass. We don't need a sack specialist, we need a complete 3-4 SOLB or two pieces that can make up one. If we draft Irvin in the 3rd for passing situations only, I'm fine with that. I think he has potential to develop into something else other than a pass rusher, but as an immediate fix I don't buy it.

I agree with those who would sacrifice rush defense for more pass rush. I would rather be a middle ground rush defense with elite pass rush (Giants) than a very good rush defense who can't get to the quarterback.

 

[Doomsday101]

Spencer's 40-time for a man his size is pretty darn fast.

I agree. I was checking Mario Williams and his was a 4.66