Comparing Offensive Lines...

[MichaelWinicki]

not surprising the biggest apologist for our lousy O line would start this thread

Instead of being in attack mode, take a look at the numbers and give us your two-cents.

 

[the_h0wey]

That Saints O-line sure was solid.

 

[bayeslife]

Pretty interesting to see how good that 2009 Saints O-line was.

You can't have or don't even need pro bowlers at every position on the O-line, it's just not realistic. Every team has weaknesses and some people just need to come to grips with the fact that O-line is going to be ours at least for this year. However from those numbers above it's clear that you can still win without an all star line.

It's no secret that our pass defense was putrid last season and kept us out of the playoffs and blew several games against top teams (esp the Patriots game, I still have nightmares...). I think that with what we've seen so far and the promise that Claiborne, Carr, and Church have shown, this team is in a position to win it all this year. All we need is for the O-line to be "good enough" as you can see from those numbers at the top, and this team can make a deep run.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Pretty interesting to see how good that 2009 Saints O-line was.

You can't have or don't even need pro bowlers at every position on the O-line, it's just not realistic. Every team has weaknesses and some people just need to come to grips with the fact that O-line is going to be ours at least for this year. However from those numbers above it's clear that you can still win without an all star line.

It's no secret that our pass defense was putrid last season and kept us out of the playoffs and blew several games against top teams (esp the Patriots game, I still have nightmares...). I think that with what we've seen so far and the promise that Claiborne, Carr, and Church have shown, this team is in a position to win it all this year. All we need is for the O-line to be "good enough" as you can see from those numbers at the top, and this team can make a deep run.

That's a pretty good take.

 

[CoCo]

Pretty interesting to see how good that 2009 Saints O-line was.

You can't have or don't even need pro bowlers at every position on the O-line, it's just not realistic. Every team has weaknesses and some people just need to come to grips with the fact that O-line is going to be ours at least for this year. However from those numbers above it's clear that you can still win without an all star line.

It's no secret that our pass defense was putrid last season and kept us out of the playoffs and blew several games against top teams (esp the Patriots game, I still have nightmares...). I think that with what we've seen so far and the promise that Claiborne, Carr, and Church have shown, this team is in a position to win it all this year. All we need is for the O-line to be "good enough" as you can see from those numbers at the top, and this team can make a deep run.

I've heard cornerback play is irrelevant. Just sayin...

 

[burmafrd]

Instead of being in attack mode, take a look at the numbers and give us your two-cents.

PFF is garbage and anyone looking at their formulas and details would know it.

So why waste time on garbage?

You are just trying to find another way to claim the O line is just fine. Boring.

 

[CATCH17]

Good job! Very interesting......if these numbers are accurate reflection of each teams O lines then it means we have had poor execution vs poor players .....right?

They are. New Orleans has a beast O-line but the rest aren't anything special.

Who has the best Oline in football? Bengals?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

PFF is garbage and anyone looking at their formulas and details would know it.

So why waste time on garbage?

You are just trying to find another way to claim the O line is just fine. Boring.

Why don't you try adding something constructive to a thread?

Why is their formula gargabe?

Instead of just spouting off, give your argument a little meat.

And not one person in this thread has said the offensive line is fine.

 

[CATCH17]

PFF is garbage and anyone looking at their formulas and details would know it.

So why waste time on garbage?

You are just trying to find another way to claim the O line is just fine. Boring.

Maybe so but even PFF can see that the Packers, Giants and Steelers O-Line were average at best.

The Saints on the other hands are a different story. Those guys do a good job drafting linemen.

 

[InmanRoshi]

It's no secret that our pass defense was putrid last season and kept us out of the playoffs

What kept us out of the playoffs is a historically bad secondary. The OL was middle of the road in pass protection by any objective quantitative measure I've seen, and middle of the road offensive lines are more than capable of winning Superbowls.


Honestly, I think most people think because Romo got injured that means the OL was just automatically bad. Which means our OL in the early-mid 90s must have been pretty bad, given how many games Steve Beuerlein, Bernie Kosar and Babe Laufenberg had to play as injury fill ins for Aikman.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Maybe so but even PFF can see that the Packers, Giants and Steelers O-Line were average at best.

The Saints on the other hands are a different story. Those guys do a good job drafting linemen.

Drew Brees does a great job of blitz anticipation and getting rid of the ball quickly.

 

[CATCH17]

Drew Brees does a great job of blitz anticipation and getting rid of the ball quickly.

So does Romo.

 

[Hoofbite]

Pitts OL rank is hurt by Ben holding the ball for an eternity at times.

 

[JBond]

Wow, Doug Free was the 53rd ranked tackle in the league last year? The front-office can't feel very good about giving him 4y $32m ($17m guaranteed) last year it terms of the return in investment on his production.

I'm <hoping> the move to RT will help Free this season.

The last time he played RT he was overwhelmed and required a ton of help from the TE's if I remember correctly. I have no idea why people were excited about him.

 

[InmanRoshi]

So does Romo.

I think Brees is probably a hair better, and he has WRs who actually know where they need to be in those situation. Every year we're breaking in new #1,#2, #3 WRs into the system to get acclimated with Romo and the offensive system, while the Saints keep continuity every year between Colston, Lance Moore, Devery Henderson, Meachem. Meachem is the first WR the Saints have let out of their system since Joe Horn, and he had been there 5 years. Same thing with the Packers.

 

[CATCH17]

The last time he played RT he was overwhelmed and required a ton of help from the TE's if I remember correctly. I have no idea why people were excited about him.

He definetely got overrated by the Cowboys and their fans but his 1st year as a Right Tackle he did an excellent job. Colombo was the guy who screwed us over @ right tackle. The coaches put loyalty over the team.

 

[CCBoy]

Instead of being in attack mode, take a look at the numbers and give us your two-cents.

What, on a budget of a single cent?

 

[Galian Beast]

It would be interesting to see a more in depth analysis.

Questions I would have:

1. How many bad offensive line performances were associated or resulted in losses.

2. How did these offensive lines play in December and January?

3. How do these offensive line statistics separate from offensive production? I.E if Romo spins out and makes a guy miss, does the offensive linemen still receive a bad grade?

4. How did the Cowboys rate in those specific years you showed super bowl championship teams in.

I think you demonstrated that in 2011 the Cowboys and the Giants were very similar, and I think the record reflected that. That being said was the offensive line in 2010 not worse than the one in 2011? I don't think you can just compare the rank of a 2011 offensive line to the rank of a 2009 offensive line.

 

[Hoofbite]

Having 70th ranked out there is odd.

Doesn't look like the play time qualifier isn't set high enough.

I'd look at 50% snaps at minimum. Maybe 75%.