Twitter: Competition Committee says Dez caught it **merged**

[zrinkill]

stop enticing other fans

What the heck does that even mean? You boys are silly.

 

[Aviano90]

Are you saying Romo called the play?

Not sure who called the play. I don't think that was ever discussed. However, Linehan was the play caller that year as Garrett was to focus more on the defense so I would imagine it was Scott. I'm just saying Romo was the one who had the balls to go deep on that play instead of taking the underneath pass that the play was designed for. I apologize if i misinterpreted what you meant.

That said, I am not in favor of the play call. I would much rather Dallas used a timeout in that situation. I do not like Dallas was in shotgun empty backfield set.

 

[G2]

What the heck does that even mean? You boys are silly.

Try Google for all of your 5th grade needs.

 

[G2]

Not sure who called the play. I don't think that was ever discussed. However, Linehan was the play caller that year as Garrett was to focus more on the defense so I would imagine it was Scott. I'm just saying Romo was the one who had the balls to go deep on that play instead of taking the underneath pass that the play was designed for. I apologize if i misinterpreted what you meant.

That said, I am not in favor of the play call. I would much rather Dallas used a timeout in that situation. I do not like Dallas was in shotgun empty backfield set.

I can't stand the shotgun - empty backfield

 

[MarcusRock]

You seem to put a lot of trust in the NFL that when it stands by a call it does so because it's right, so I thought I would share this with you from another call that went against Dallas.

http://www.wfaa.com/article/sports/...crucial-penalty-against-cowboys/287-388418547

There are two possibilities here. Either the NFL didn't admit its mistake privately and those who told Lombardi that it did were lying (or Lombardi was), or the NFL privately admitted its mistake but wouldn't admit it publicly. If the second one is true, then why should we believe the NFL would publicly admit that Bryant caught the ball or that it shouldn't have overturned the call because there wasn't indisputable evidence?

I'm not a conspiracy theory. I don't believe the league is out to get us. But I certainly believe that officials rally to defend their own even when they are wrong. It isn't just officials, though, as a journalist, I've seen this happen in multiple professions where there is a lot of public scrutiny. You get an us vs. them mentality that colors your perception. This is how officials can use the standard of a reach in one instance, but when there's a reach (and it's acknowledged since Steratore and Blandino both said Dez reached), change the standard to a lunge.

And if you don't feel that a reach is the standard for an act common to the game, then here's one of the officiating experts you quote saying it is in addressing an indisputable evidence issue and the need to change the catch rule: http://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2...ls-out-abandoning-clear-and-obvious-standard/

Mike Pereira ✔ @MikePereira

Make it like a catch on an upright receiver. If you get control and two feet or another today body part on the ground and then reach or lunch, you have made a football move, they it should be a catch. Replay can only review the control and two feet. Not the FB move. Credit PFT.

Anyway, this is my last-ditch effort ... really, it is. From now on, I'm going to focus on how I'm happy that the NFL at least is trying to fix this mess of a catch rule to hopefully make it less subjective.

I've seen all this and I successfully debated the Butler play on the DC boards. The problem with your first sentence here is that anytime a close call doesn't go one's way, then the "refs are cheating" excuse comes out ... and it does. For every team's fans. The NFL does admit when its officials blow calls, which is why we have replay now. Are you saying that the NFL needs an oversight committee to guarantee they're being fair? Then the CONSPIRACY! would shift to the oversight committee. It's all a human issue. People don't want to accept what isn't pleasant so they will take a pinata approach until they hit on something to say "Ah-ha! Now you have to throw the whole thing out." You're witnessing this in front of your eyes with people trying to debate the rules with me again. We settled it in the other thread but now people are emotional again so they're trying to strike while the iron's hot. Their right and choice.

 

[Aviano90]

I can't stand the shotgun - empty backfield

I don't necessarily mind it. I just can't stand to see it on 1st/2nd down inside the 10, and on 3rd/4th & short. Not when he have the running game we have. Why tell the defense Dak's passing or going to run it himself without the defense having to worry about Zeke (or in this case Murray)? I will never understand that.

 

[MarcusRock]

That Butler Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty nixing a 22 yard pass play and adding 15 penalty yards was a forty yard swing in what was, what, a 7-3 game at the time? In a home playoff game?

I'm not a conspiracy guy either, but that killed what would otherwise probably have been a scoring drive in a game that was 21-3 a few minutes later. It was a back-breaker. Hard to get emotional invested in these games when so much turns on bad calls, and bad calls happen so often.

Except the flag for the penalty flew from the official at the snap so they didn't wait for the catch to happen and then go "dang, they made a great play, let's throw a flag." They waited until the play started because Dallas could have called a timeout to back out of it and reset. Again, CONSPIRACY! is being blamed for players and a coaching staff that should know the rules.

 

[MarcusRock]

YOUR board, that we are unwelcome in, seems to be in short supply of posters who possess reading comprehension skills.

Ain't that the truth. Emotion hinders the prefrontal cortex though so I understand why it happens.

 

[Idgit]

Except the flag for the penalty flew from the official at the snap so they didn't wait for the catch to happen and then go "dang, they made a great play, let's throw a flag." They waited until the play started because Dallas could have called a timeout to back out of it and reset. Again, CONSPIRACY! is being blamed for players and a coaching staff that should know the rules.

I didn't suggest it was a conspiracy, and don't believe it was a conspiracy. You can stop shouting CONSPIRACY for no reason. It was just a poor decision regarding when to throw a flag.

Like I said in the post, it was an example of officiating unnecessarily affecting the outcome of a game, which is happening too often in the league right now.

 

[glimmerman]

To bad murray had that fumble in the game. May not have needed that last gasp play that could be left in the refs hands.

 

[MarcusRock]

I didn't suggest it was a conspiracy, and don't believe it was a conspiracy. You can stop shouting CONSPIRACY for no reason. It was just a poor decision regarding when to throw a flag.

Like I said in the post, it was an example of officiating unnecessarily affecting the outcome of a game, which is happening too often in the league right now.

Poor decision on when to throw the flag? So they should look the other way when they spot fouls occurring? I mean, people think this anyway for Cowboys opponents but when people cry out, aren't they crying out for a "fairly called game?" Or do they just want all the calls to go their way?

 

[blindzebra]

What act common to the game do they list as ending going to the ground? In both this case play and 8.12?



Do you not see the difference here? The 2014 A.R. 15.95 is a lunge (the answer to the question I asked you above) and the 2015 version is a reach. A reach does not end going to the ground the same way "switching the ball" to one hand in A.R. 8.12 does not end going to the ground. What does end going to the ground in each case play listed in 2014 is a lunge, correct? I notice you and percy stay away from A.R. 8.12 because it proves that the only way to interrupt going to the ground is to show that you aren't going to the ground "all in one motion." So you can wave to your mom in the stands while falling but it doesn't interrupt falling. Caseplay A.R. 8.12 appears in BOTH the 2014 and 2015 rules so the rule did not change.

Again, I corrected you once before in this post on both caseplays. You don't address that post because you can't. And don't make me pull your "meltdown" excuse as to why A.R. 8.12 appears in 2014 and 2015. Do you remember what you answered me then?

I did address them. You are wrong in stating that it is the only way. That is not how case books work. The 2014 rules listed several acts common to the game plus etc. Lunge was not even listed. You would think if it was the only act it would be in there.

This entire thing is really simple. On one side you have people that understand how to correctly read the rules and use common sense, and on the other side is you.

 

[KJJ]

To bad murray had that fumble in the game. May not have needed that last gasp play that could be left in the refs hands.

The Cowboys ended up getting the ball back after Murray’s fumble and scoring a TD taking a 7 point lead. Even had Murray not fumbled and we scored a TD the Packers still had a quarter and a half to come back. We didn’t need a last gasp play with just over four minutes to play. We had a manageable 4th and 2. All we needed was to pick up the first down and run the clock down. We had plenty of time to score and leave the Packers with little time to answer. It was a bad decision by Romo to go with a 50-50 jump ball to Dez with over 4 minutes on a manageable 4th and 2.

 

[MarcusRock]

I did address them. You are wrong in stating that it is the only way. That is not how case books work. The 2014 rules listed several acts common to the game plus etc. Lunge was not even listed. You would think if it was the only act it would be in there.

This entire thing is really simple. On one side you have people that understand how to correctly read the rules and use common sense, and on the other side is you.

But yet I corrected you in that other thread. I noticed you don't tell me how I'm wrong just like you didn't then. You can't. I mean go back and look at what you were saying there. Do you stand by your interpretations of those case plays then?

 

[glimmerman]

The Cowboys ended up getting the ball back after Murray’s fumble and scoring a TD taking a 7 point lead. We didn’t need a last gasp play with just over four minutes to play. We had a manageable 4th and 2. All we needed was to pick up the first down and run the clock down. We had plenty of time to score and leave the Packers with little time to answer. It was a bad decision by Romo to go with a 50-50 jump ball to Dez with over 4 mintutrs on a manageable 4th and 2.

Don’t come around here making sense. Lol

 

[DallasEast]

Poor decision on when to throw the flag? So they should look the other way when they spot fouls occurring? I mean, people think this anyway for Cowboys opponents but when people cry out, aren't they crying out for a "fairly called game?" Or do they just want all the calls to go their way?

[Bold] Question: What was your opinion concerning the officiating that did not result in a single offensive hold called on opposing linemen during a 20+ consecutive quarters streak last season?

 

[glimmerman]

[Bold] Question: What was your opinion concerning the officiating that did not result in a single offensive hold called on opposing linemen during a 20+ consecutive quarters streak last season?

It was BS. There was some blatant holds. Not called. Also some shots to Dak that was never called either. Face masks to Beez right in front of the refs.

 

[blindzebra]

But yet I corrected you in that other thread. I noticed you don't tell me how I'm wrong just like you didn't then. You can't. I mean go back and look at what you were saying there. Do you stand by your interpretations of those case plays then?

Your inability to understand does not mean I did not address it. You did not correct a darn thing. You invented a make believe interpretation that has absolutely no rule support. I explained just how case book plays are used by officials several times in the other thread. To use your favorite line...go look.

 

[Idgit]

Poor decision on when to throw the flag? So they should look the other way when they spot fouls occurring? I mean, people think this anyway for Cowboys opponents but when people cry out, aren't they crying out for a "fairly called game?" Or do they just want all the calls to go their way?

The linked story you're referring to is a story about that penalty being called in error, so, no, I'm not suggesting anybody needs to look the other way when they spot fouls occurring. I'm suggesting they need to call games properly, and err on the side of not interfering with outcomes where possible. Officials do need to use better judgement in calling discretion penalties like the Butler call.

And it's common knowledge that officials call fewer penalties in postseason games than they do regular season games, or it should be. And the penalty data is available to back that up. So the idea that games are called differently when the stakes are different isn't revolutionary. When a number one seed doesn't get the benefit of that tendency in the first quarter of a home playoff game v. a team where there's a history of significant playoff officiating controversy, that team's fans have a right to not like it.

 

[KJJ]

Don’t come around here making sense. Lol

Making sense is frowned upon here. It messes with the thinking many have.