Conditional Trades

[Verdict]

And then is he going to tell teams not to put a waiver claim in on him? Or am I incorrect that he wouldn't be on waivers?

I guess the point you are making is that the agent is trying to work it so Taco can go where he wants but that's really not that easy especially with waivers involved.

I think the simpler answer is that Taco simply doesn't have that much value around the league. He's a guy who has not really developed that much and might have some motivation issues. The Cowboys have pretty much put a neon light above his head saying he's going to be cut given they've had him inactive while guys like Armstrong and rookie Jackson have been active. For many teams, a conditional 7th rounder might be too much for a guy that will, likely, get cut anyway. So wait it out, save the pick and put in a waiver claim.

If you get him, great. If you don't, well did you really lose anything?

No one wants to take on a first round contract for a marginal player. He will most likely clear waivers.

 

[xwalker]

Then why even entertain the thought that the agent is going around telling teams to not make a trade?

No one suggested that you are giving the Cowboys a pass for the pick to begin with or how they managed this kid. But at some level if you are floating the idea of an agent acting covertly here by trying to steer Taco to a different team by telling teams to not make an offer for him, you are suggesting that the Cowboys, even to a small extent, were played here.

The thread was a question.

I thought people might offer some alternative reasons that this situation does not seem to mimic similar situations over the years.

If another team's 2017 1st round pick that started 7 game last season, had 3 sacks as a rookie despite not starting and looked good in the preseason was available for a conditional 7th, 99% of Cowboy fans would be totally on board with trading to get that player.

I would move the LB Gifford to IR and make that deal unless there was more to the story. Even for a known knucklehead like Rolando McClain there is an allure with 1st round picks that didn't live up to another team's standards. The risk is near zero but the reward can be substantial for some 1st round picks that didn't work out with other teams.

 

[glimmerman]

You have to screw up pretty bad to not even see the field after playing well in preseason. They let him play to show case him for other teams.

 

[xwalker]

No one wants to take on a first round contract for a marginal player. He will most likely clear waivers.

There is 1.1M remaining of guaranteed money and that is this season's salary.

If he clears waivers and a team signs him it's at least 500K on a 1 year contract.

If a team takes the contract by getting him on waivers or for a conditional 7th then they have him under contract for 2020 at a relatively low NON-guaranteed salary IF he turned it around and played well for that team.

Would CZ members really not want another team's 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th and a 1.1M salary?

A player that started 7 games last season, looked good in the preseason and had 3 sacks as a rookie despite not starting.

It's a near zero risk at the potential gain of coaching up a former 1st round pick. Even the 1 good year the Cowboys got from Rolando McClain was worth signing him, and he had more issues that had been publicly disclosed than what has been disclosed about Taco.

 

[glimmerman]

There is 1.1M remaining of guaranteed money and that is this season's salary.

If he clears waivers and a team signs him it's at least 500K on a 1 year contract.

If a team takes the contract by getting him on waivers or for a conditional 7th then they have him under contract for 2020 at a relatively low NON-guaranteed salary IF he turned it around and played well for that team.

Would CZ members really not want another team's 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th and a 1.1M salary?

A player that started 7 games last season, looked good in the preseason and had 3 sacks as a rookie despite not starting.

It's a near zero risk at the potential gain of coaching up a former 1st round pick. Even the 1 good year the Cowboys got from Rolando McClain was worth signing him, and he had more issues that had been publicly disclosed than what has been disclosed about Taco.

Something is gonna come out. There is a skeleton or something in that closet.

 

[jnday]

The thread was a question.

I thought people might offer some alternative reasons that this situation does not seem to mimic similar situations over the years.

If another team's 2017 1st round pick that started 7 game last season, had 3 sacks as a rookie despite not starting and looked good in the preseason was available for a conditional 7th, 99% of Cowboy fans would be totally on board with trading to get that player.

I would move the LB Gifford to IR and make that deal unless there was more to the story. Even for a known knucklehead like Rolando McClain there is an allure with 1st round picks that didn't live up to another team's standards. The risk is near zero but the reward can be substantial for some 1st round picks that didn't work out with other teams.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is much more to the story than we know at this time.

 

[CB61]

He's subject to waivers

Thank you yes I'm aware of that free agent was the wrong word but the point I was trying to make is yes the Giants probably would pick him up considering he clears all waiver teams before them

 

[CB61]

Thank you yes I'm aware of that free agent was the wrong word but the point I was trying to make is yes the Giants probably would pick him up considering he clears all waiver teams before them

And I believe as it stands the Giants are number 6 in line on the waiver wire

 

[beware_d-ware]

He'll resurface as a flyer pick for some team, and pry make less than half guaranteed of what he would if he was traded.

 

[Verdict]

There is 1.1M remaining of guaranteed money and that is this season's salary.

If he clears waivers and a team signs him it's at least 500K on a 1 year contract.

If a team takes the contract by getting him on waivers or for a conditional 7th then they have him under contract for 2020 at a relatively low NON-guaranteed salary IF he turned it around and played well for that team.

Would CZ members really not want another team's 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th and a 1.1M salary?

A player that started 7 games last season, looked good in the preseason and had 3 sacks as a rookie despite not starting.

It's a near zero risk at the potential gain of coaching up a former 1st round pick. Even the 1 good year the Cowboys got from Rolando McClain was worth signing him, and he had more issues that had been publicly disclosed than what has been disclosed about Taco.

I think you are over estimating his level of play (when he played against players in games that counted) and under estimating what a pain in the *** he is. Antonio Brown is a head case and is a trouble maker but teams want him because he can play. What has Taco done on the field that would make someone want to take on that problem?

There may end up being one or more teams that agree with you. I just don’t see it but I have been wrong before.

 

[blueblood70]

THERES NO CONSPIRACY UNLESS YOU ARE KAP..LOL

stop overthinking...

 

[xwalker]

I think you are over estimating his level of play (when he played against players in games that counted) and under estimating what a pain in the *** he is. Antonio Brown is a head case and is a trouble maker but teams want him because he can play. What has Taco done on the field that would make someone want to take on that problem?

There may end up being one or more teams that agree with you. I just don’t see it but I have been wrong before.

If the Cowboys had the chance to get a 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th AND that player had an OK but not great rookie season, started 7 games last season and looked good this preseason, 99% fans would be clamoring to get that player.

Taco has not been in legal trouble or suspended for drugs. Other teams don't know the extent of his attitude issues unless they Cowboys are telling them.

 

[408Cowboy]

If a team trades away a player and receives a conditional 7th in return, that means the player must accomplish something (remain on the new team's roster or play over a certain number of games, etc.).

That means it is basically a free look at the player for the new team.

If the Cowboys can't get a conditional 7th for a player that obviously has possible upside, then something is going on beyond the obvious, IMO.

How many remember the La'el draft story where his agent warned teams not to draft him?

Could an agent be killing possible trades by telling other teams not to trade for the player?

This is absurd

 

[xwalker]

This is absurd

If the Cowboys had the chance to get a 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th AND that player had an OK but not great rookie season, started 7 games last season and looked good this preseason, 99% fans would be clamoring to get that player.

Taco has not been in legal trouble or suspended for drugs. Other teams don't know the extent of his attitude issues unless they Cowboys are telling them.

 

[408Cowboy]

If the Cowboys had the chance to get a 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th AND that player had an OK but not great rookie season, started 7 games last season and looked good this preseason, 99% fans would be clamoring to get that player.

Taco has not been in legal trouble or suspended for drugs. Other teams don't know the extent of his attitude issues unless they Cowboys are telling them.

Absurd is assuming an agent would block a trade with 31 other teams. You would think an agent would help facilitate one hoping their client can earn that second contract. Like I said the idea is absurd.

 

[DallasInDC]

Can't wait for the beat writers to tell us why his value was nada once he is cut.

They said on the FAN that it was stated by multiple coaches that Taco was soft. Always wanted to get out of working hard I'm practice... Also acted like he was entitled due to his 1st rd draft position.

 

[DallasInDC]

Absurd is assuming an agent would block a trade with 31 other teams. You would think an agent would help facilitate one hoping their client can earn that second contract. Like I said the idea is absurd.

I wouldn't say absurd, what AB did was not to far removed from that.

 

[Brax]

There is 1.1M remaining of guaranteed money and that is this season's salary.

If he clears waivers and a team signs him it's at least 500K on a 1 year contract.

If a team takes the contract by getting him on waivers or for a conditional 7th then they have him under contract for 2020 at a relatively low NON-guaranteed salary IF he turned it around and played well for that team.

Would CZ members really not want another team's 2017 1st round pick for a conditional 7th and a 1.1M salary?

A player that started 7 games last season, looked good in the preseason and had 3 sacks as a rookie despite not starting.

It's a near zero risk at the potential gain of coaching up a former 1st round pick. Even the 1 good year the Cowboys got from Rolando McClain was worth signing him, and he had more issues that had been publicly disclosed than what has been disclosed about Taco.

let him clear waivers, pay him minimum to sign then they can cut any time and all it cost was a few game checks to see what he has, that's smart management especially when you pretty well know he will be cut.Cost to trade high cost to take a look cheap and low win win.