Connor vs Xavier - Film Breakdown

[ItzKelz]

I love this guy Voch. He doesn't just give you his opinion he shows you why it is his opinion. Anyways check out the vid and comment on who you would prefer at LG this year and why.

Connor is my choice based on footwork and the added muscle. What say you?

 

[Future]

OMG get to the point.

This guy seems smart enough but my lord...18 minutes?

 

[Typhus]

OMG get to the point.

This guy seems smart enough but my lord...18 minutes?

he can take 30.. bottom line is it doesn't hurt this OL having both.

 

[ItzKelz]

he can take 30.. bottom line is it doesn't hurt this OL having both.

I personally think Xavier is not a really good offensive linemen. He often looks like he's never played football in life.

 

[HungryLion]

Connor. And it really isn’t that close. Xavier is a train wreck in pass protection.

 

[Typhus]

I personally think Xavier is not a really good offensive linemen. He often looks like he's never played football in life.

most back up OL in this league do,, but he did show flashes.. a starting point maybe.

 

[ItzKelz]

most back up OL in this league do,, but he did show flashes.. a starting point maybe.

Youre probably right. I may be spoiled by the last few years having OL that have feet like ballerina's lol. Xavier just looks so out of place at times.

 

[InTheZone]

until he can show it in preseason I'm going with Xavier

 

[xwalker]

I love this guy Voch. He doesn't just give you his opinion he shows you why it is his opinion. Anyways check out the vid and comment on who you would prefer at LG this year and why.

Connor is my choice based on footwork and the added muscle. What say you?

His details are often wrong and misleading.

Yes, both CW and Sua-Filo got beat multiple times, however...
The video often shows plays where they maintained their block for over 4 seconds.
In some it was 6 seconds. The expectation for pass protection is 3 seconds before things start to break down.
At 4 seconds or more it's considered the fault of the play-design or QB or receivers for not getting open (i.e. A coverage sack).

There were several plays where the defender being blocked by CW or XS-F was the 3rd or 4th defender to get to the QB.

Connor Williams played 688 regular season snaps. About 69 of those were at RG with 619 at LG.
He also played 133 snaps at LG in the playoffs. Despite that, in the video there were multiple plays of CW at RG.
Why would anybody use plays at RG to evaluate a rookie that played 752 snaps at LG but only 69 at RG?
CW also played LT in college meaning he has not spent much time on the Right Side.

It seems like the guy making the video is lazy.

Many plays not the best examples of CW or XS-F being the primary cause of the sack.
Many plays where they maintained their block for over 4 seconds.
It appears that when he is narrating is the 1st time that he has actually studied the play.
If you analyze game footage, it normally requires a few rewinds and by then you know
if the defensive player was Kawaan Short or Dontari Poe.​

It's a great concept that he is going to make videos and explain what happened; however,
much like PFF is a great idea, the executing and results leave much to be desired.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Williams and it ain't close.
Sua'filo isn't bad for your number eight or nine OL.
He's "functionally bad", IMO - he's not good, but you can survive with him in the lineup.
Where Chaz Green was so bad, he was "unfunctionally bad".
Which also describes Adam Redmond.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I love this guy Voch. He doesn't just give you his opinion he shows you why it is his opinion. Anyways check out the vid and comment on who you would prefer at LG this year and why.

Connor is my choice based on footwork and the added muscle. What say you?

It's not even close. Williams is better, and has a better future.

Williams just recently turned 22.

Smith started as a rookie at 21, a half year older than Williams was last year. Of Smith, Martin, and Frederick, no one made a pro bowl until 23. No one made All Pro til 24.

Williams really had a tough row to hoe his rookie season, not being matured physically, and moving to a new position where *power* is the fundamental requirement.

 

[charron]

Will be good to see how Williams can use his new frame and strength to win the job. Last year Williams clearly had goof technique but lacked the ability to physically execute where Xavier was able to get the job done with strength and much less technique. If the reports on Williams are accurate then we should see this in training camp. Of course they will all look a bit better with colombo making the calls and Beard back anchoring the middle.

 

[ItzKelz]

His details are often wrong and misleading.

Yes, both CW and Sua-Filo got beat multiple times, however...
The video often shows plays where they maintained their block for over 4 seconds.
In some it was 6 seconds. The expectation for pass protection is 3 seconds before things start to break down.
At 4 seconds or more it's considered the fault of the play-design or QB or receivers for not getting open (i.e. A coverage sack).

There were several plays where the defender being blocked by CW or XS-F was the 3rd or 4th defender to get to the QB.

Connor Williams played 688 regular season snaps. About 69 of those were at RG with 619 at LG.
He also played 133 snaps at LG in the playoffs. Despite that, in the video there were multiple plays of CW at RG.
Why would anybody use plays at RG to evaluate a rookie that played 752 snaps at LG but only 69 at RG?
CW also played LT in college meaning he has not spent much time on the Right Side.

It seems like the guy making the video is lazy.

Many plays not the best examples of CW or XS-F being the primary cause of the sack.
Many plays where they maintained their block for over 4 seconds.
It appears that when he is narrating is the 1st time that he has actually studied the play.
If you analyze game footage, it normally requires a few rewinds and by then you know
if the defensive player was Kawaan Short or Dontari Poe.​

It's a great concept that he is going to make videos and explain what happened; however,
much like PFF is a great idea, the executing and results leave much to be desired.

He has another video that accounts for the sacks that were Daks fault. This is a video that accounts for the sacks that were given up by these players that count against. I believe in the Dak video his count was 16 sacks that were Daks fault. Anything longer than 3.5 seconds he charged that as Daks fault.

 

[xwalker]

He has another video that accounts for the sacks that were Daks fault. This is a video that accounts for the sacks that were given up by these players that count against. I believe in the Dak video his count was 16 sacks that were Daks fault. Anything longer than 3.5 seconds he charged that as Daks fault.

Even more reason that it's dumb or lazy to include the over 3.5 second plays in this video or the plays where some other defender has hit Dak long before the defender being blocked by the OL that's he is analyzing.

Another analogy is that the best liars are people that tell stories that are close to the truth such that it's hard to distinguish lies from truth.

Around here the best trolls are the subtle ones that suck people into believing them, especially when they are Eagles fans pretending to be Cowboys fans.

The guy doing the videos is close enough to the truth that it's seems plausible, but his details are often very misleading and often completely wrong.

He has put in the effort to make the video but it's too bad he can make the extra effort to be accurate and avoid misleading people.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Even more reason that it's dumb or lazy to include the over 3.5 second plays in this video or the plays where some other defender has hit Dak long before the defender being blocked by the OL that's he is analyzing.

Another analogy is that the best liars are people that tell stories that are close to the truth such that it's hard to distinguish lies from truth.

Around here the best trolls are the subtle ones that suck people into believing them, especially when they are Eagles fans pretending to be Cowboys fans.

The guy doing the videos is close enough to the truth that it's seems plausible, but his details are often very misleading and often completely wrong.

He has put in the effort to make the video but it's too bad he can make the extra effort to be accurate and avoid misleading people.

It's easy to criticize someone from your sofa. Voch backs up his opinions with video evidence. If you think he is doing it wrong or misleading people, let him know. You can actually call into those shows he does.

 

[gimmesix]

I personally think Xavier is not a really good offensive linemen. He often looks like he's never played football in life.

Real good run blocker, very off-balance pass blocker.

 

[superonyx]

It's easy to criticize someone from your sofa. Voch backs up his opinions with video evidence. If you think he is doing it wrong or misleading people, let him know. You can actually call into those shows he does.

I have let him know.
This guy has been ball riding Connor Williams all the way to the bench last season. He has agenda driven videos where he picks 3 good plays and ignores the other 47 plays in the game just so he can make annoying sounds and try to convince people he was right about 'his boi, Connor Williams'.

Take nothing from people small sampling of plays. This same thing can be done to make Tom Brady look like Quincy Carter and Quincy Carter to look like Tom Brady.

Just watch the games for yourself and you will see Connor Williams struggled last season. Doesnt mean he is a bust or he will be awful. But the fact remains we were a better team when he got injured and thats not good.

 

[beware_d-ware]

This is the one Connor Williams play that's stuck with me. Playing Philly for the game for #1 in the NFC East, overtime, 3rd and 1, lined up at RG against Fletcher Cox. For God knows what reason, we call a run to RT, and Cox just bulldozes C-Will into the backfield to blow the play up.



I mean, I guess that's not really a fair play to judge Williams on, Cox is an All-Pro and has humiliated a lot of good linemen over the years. But every time I hear about how Connor Williams wasn't that bad in his rookie season, or he's added strength, or this cherry-picked video shows how he's improved, I just think back to that play. Because this fall, the bullets are going to go live. There's going to come a time next season where he's lined up on a 3rd and 1 again, with the playoffs on the line, facing some beast like Fletcher Cox. And all the offseason puff pieces in the world aren't going to answer the question, "are you strong enough to keep this guy from wrecking the play?"

 

[InTheZone]

He has another video that accounts for the sacks that were Daks fault. This is a video that accounts for the sacks that were given up by these players that count against. I believe in the Dak video his count was 16 sacks that were Daks fault. Anything longer than 3.5 seconds he charged that as Daks fault.

3.5 seconds for the QB to be at fault, wow we possibly can't lower the standards any more lol

 

[buybuydandavis]

This is the one Connor Williams play that's stuck with me. Playing Philly for the game for #1 in the NFC East, overtime, 3rd and 1, lined up at RG against Fletcher Cox. For God knows what reason, we call a run to RT, and Cox just bulldozes C-Will into the backfield to blow the play up.



I mean, I guess that's not really a fair play to judge Williams on, Cox is an All-Pro and has humiliated a lot of good linemen over the years. But every time I hear about how Connor Williams wasn't that bad in his rookie season, or he's added strength, or this cherry-picked video shows how he's improved, I just think back to that play. Because this fall, the bullets are going to go live. There's going to come a time next season where he's lined up on a 3rd and 1 again, with the playoffs on the line, facing some beast like Fletcher Cox. And all the offseason puff pieces in the world aren't going to answer the question, "are you strong enough to keep this guy from wrecking the play?"

If you judge Williams on one play highlighting his particular weakness against an All Pro, he probably won't look that good.