Connor Williams > Connor McGovern?

[xwalker]

CW might have had 2 holding penalties, but he would have held Chris Jones another 20 times that didn't get called...

CW has had 2 or 3 bad plays per game.

CM had about 40 bad plays.

 

[Brooksey]

I'll take Connor Williams and the holding calls.
We think awfully high of ourselves to start McGov on the road against the SB champs with Steele starting next to him

 

[Sydla]

Yeah hindsight here tells you that maybe this wasn't the week to start McGovern.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah hindsight here tells you that maybe this wasn't the week to start McGovern.

It wasn't hindsight thinking though. And maybe I'm being too hard on them because they THOUGHT Tyron would play but that switch either shouldn't have been made or they should've waited until Tyron got back to make it.

 

[blueblood70]

CW might have had 2 holding penalties, but he would have held Chris Jones another 20 times that didn't get called...

CW has had 2 or 3 bad plays per game.

CM had about 40 bad plays.

you sure i didn't watch close enough but do you have breakdown some film proof..

 

[Sydla]

It wasn't hindsight thinking though. And maybe I'm being too hard on them because they THOUGHT Tyron would play but that switch either shouldn't have been made or they should've waited until Tyron got back to make it.

Agreed. It made more sense if Smith was playing. I still think they botched the whole LT/RT thing anyway. They should have let Steele stay at RT and made Collins play LT IMO. Steele was a project who finally found stability and was playing well next to Martin. Why change that? I mean its not surprising that he's completely struggling at LT.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm still on the Connor Williams bandwagon. He wont ever make the hall of fame, but as i've said 100 times I still think that he is an average NFL G. I get we want to strive for more than average, however when the weak spot on your line is average you have a really good unit. The penalties are an issue, but penalties are correctable. The guy had 10 penalties from 2019 & 2020 combined. Personally I would roll the dice putting CW back in, but I have a ton of faith in Philbin. Whatever he feels is best i support 100%

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Agreed. It made more sense if Smith was playing. I still think they botched the whole LT/RT thing anyway. They should have let Steele stay at RT and made Collins play LT IMO. Steele was a project who finally found stability and was playing well next to Martin. Why change that? I mean its not surprising that he's completely struggling at LT.

I mean to me it was the most sensible thing to do. But at the same time....Steele is their swing tackle at this point I'm assuming? Seems like he's ahead of Nsheke there.....I'm not writing him off I just don't see a left tackle there and then you have so much inexperience there on the left side of the line.......not sure what happened to why Tyron didn't play on Sunday but I'm guessing maybe they were too reliant on him playing and when he didn't they already committed to the McGovern switch.

I just leave things alone. I didn't understand the reason for making the switch at that point in the season coming off a Falcons beat down.

 

[cowboyec]

i'd like to see williams return to his starting spot.
thanks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm still on the Connor Williams bandwagon. He wont ever make the hall of fame, but as i've said 100 times I still think that he is an average NFL G. I get we want to strive for more than average, however when the weak spot on your line is average you have a really good unit. The penalties are an issue, but penalties are correctable. The guy had 10 penalties from 2019 & 2020 combined. Personally I would roll the dice putting CW back in, but I have a ton of faith in Philbin. Whatever he feels is best i support 100%

I think what some people forget is that yes, those guys are individual players but they are a unit. A leak in that unit can cause the whole line to destruct and IMO, McGovern and Steele starting.....and a rusty trying to get back into shape La'El Collins is a recipe for a disaster. They should've experimented before the Falcons game not the Chiefs.....

 

[John813]

FWIW in pass rush success rate Williams is #4 overall in regards to winning against pass rushers.
Defenders only have a 1.9% PRSR rate against him.

#1 Guard rate is at 1.7% fwiw.

Worst is Cody Ford at 11.1%.

But, the coaches had to see something enough to send a message or thought McG could be better there. Obviously it didn't go as planned. I still think it was the right move even with the poor play by McG. Williams up to yesterdays game was leading the league in penalties and while it wasn't terrible, he does struggle with DT's with power.

 

[fivetwos]

I've been calling for McGovern for two years so I'm here to take my beating.

Couple things.....continuity on the OL is a real thing, and a home game may have been the time for a switch.

Id also say that being next to Smith instead of Steele may have helped just a bit.

I have no problem if they go back to what was working, but not having Smith is easily the biggest OL issue. We need that guy out there....badly.

 

[fivetwos]

Another McGovern starting factor is it appears to have eliminated the backup OL as a FB thing.

Either Williams can't do it or it just wasn't called for yesterday.

 

[mrmojo]

They should have never messed with the unit that went 6 and 1 if anything use the original LT backup for Smith and Collins as a swing until he was back to himself. Its a mess right now, they made the Chiefs look like the best D in the league..