Considering Giants' DEs, could Bosa play WDE?

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I see all this talk about guys being WDE/RDE or SDE/LDE. In fact, Demarcus Lawrence's draft profile said he'd be an ideal WDE, but he's seemed to thrive at SDE. Similarly, T. Crawford was drafted to be a 3-4 DE but was thought to be an ideal SDE when we switched to the 4-3, and now he seems to be best at 3-tech DT. I know Marninelli's scheme might have a bit to do with it. A 1-tech in Marinelli's scheme is probably the size of a SDE in others. However, Mincey had success as our WDE two years ago and he also played SDE and 3-tech for us.

So everyone is drooling over the DE duo that NY has just acquired, but if you look at their sizes and physical abilities, they're both very similar to Bosa. And one of them will be the WDE (I'm guessing Vernon since JPP has played the SDE during his career). I'm wondering why we couldn't do something similar. Everyone is saying we need the prototype player to play the position in this scheme. But then why is Lawrence our starting SDE? He was drafted because he's a prototype WDE. So if we drafted Bosa, could he be the WDE in the base?

On a side tangent, I know Bosa played every position on the D-line at Ohio State. I'm wondering if that would benefit us. If you draft someone like Randy Gregory, you're stuck with him only being able to play one position. But Bosa's versatility might be good in more ways than one. 1) Maybe he could be our WDE if Gregory doesn't pan out. 2) Maybe he's our SDE and Lawrence moves to WDE. 3) Maybe he becomes our 3-tech if we don't want to keep T. Crawford at his current contract. 4) Regardless of where he starts, he can fill in at three different positions if someone gets injured for a significant amount of time.
 

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I see all this talk about guys being WDE/RDE or SDE/LDE. In fact, Demarcus Lawrence's draft profile said he'd be an ideal WDE, but he's seemed to thrive at SDE. Similarly, T. Crawford was drafted to be a 3-4 DE but was thought to be an ideal SDE when we switched to the 4-3, and now he seems to be best at 3-tech DT. I know Marninelli's scheme might have a bit to do with it. A 1-tech in Marinelli's scheme is probably the size of a SDE in others. However, Mincey had success as our WDE two years ago and he also played SDE and 3-tech for us.

So everyone is drooling over the DE duo that NY has just acquired, but if you look at their sizes and physical abilities, they're both very similar to Bosa. And one of them will be the WDE (I'm guessing Vernon since JPP has played the SDE during his career). I'm wondering why we couldn't do something similar. Everyone is saying we need the prototype player to play the position in this scheme. But then why is Lawrence our starting SDE? He was drafted because he's a prototype WDE. So if we drafted Bosa, could he be the WDE in the base?

On a side tangent, I know Bosa played every position on the D-line at Ohio State. I'm wondering if that would benefit us. If you draft someone like Randy Gregory, you're stuck with him only being able to play one position. But Bosa's versatility might be good in more ways than one. 1) Maybe he could be our WDE is Gregory doesn't pan out. 2) Maybe he's our SDE and Lawrence moves to WDE. 3) Maybe he becomes our 3-tech if we don't want to keep T. Crawford at his current contract. 4) Regardless of where he starts, he can fill in at three different positions if someone gets injured for a significant amount of time.

The Giants just collected names. They have no idea of its going work yet. I have its not going to work as well as people think.
 

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If Bosa is our guy i would imagine that Lawrence gets moved over to the other side. Honestly that's my biggest concern in drafting Bosa. I think he ends up a decent player, but i hate to flip a Lawrence to another position who seemed to be getting it.
 

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The Giants just collected names. They have no idea of its going work yet. I have its not going to work as well as people think.

I don't disagree. But I'm talking more about this notion of the "ideal" player in Marinelli's scheme. Our best D-linemen each year since Marinelli came here all played "out of position." Hatcher at 3-tech, Mincey at WDE, Lawrence at SDE.
 

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If Bosa is our guy i would imagine that Lawrence gets moved over to the other side. Honestly that's my biggest concern in drafting Bosa. I think he ends up a decent player, but i hate to flip a Lawrence to another position who seemed to be getting it.

So why flip him? Why not let a guy find the spot that works best for him? Maybe Bosa is a WDE in this defense. It worked for Mincey 2 years ago.
 

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I don't disagree. But I'm talking more about this notion of the "ideal" player in Marinelli's scheme. Our best D-linemen each year since Marinelli came here all played "out of position." Hatcher at 3-tech, Mincey at WDE, Lawrence at SDE.

Marinelli's scheme isnt what it was supposed to be. In his line scheme he favors quick uphill defensive lineman. Alot of Tampa 2 style lines even have 2 RDE type players like in Indy with Freeny and Mathis. All 4 lineman are gap penetrators both in the pass and run. That includes the 1 Tech. I have no idea what he is actually trying to accomplish here defensivly
 

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So why flip him? Why not let a guy find the spot that works best for him? Maybe Bosa is a WDE in this defense. It worked for Mincey 2 years ago.

Not really. Mincey was passable. A little better then Mincey 2014 might be what you get with Bosa at RDE. He is more of a power and leverage rusher
 

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So why flip him? Why not let a guy find the spot that works best for him? Maybe Bosa is a WDE in this defense. It worked for Mincey 2 years ago.
It could work...I certainly think Bosa is talented enough to handle the position. at #4 overall though i don't like the idea of having to say "maybe" he will fit. I like Bosa, really do, my strategy when it comes to drafts is a little conservative in early rounds though.
 

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Lawrence played a significant number of snaps at RDE the second half of last season. He looked good rushing from both sides.
 
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