Contract Comparisons for Zeke

[xwalker]

Todd Gurley
Reported: 4 years, $57.5 million, 14.375M average (extension through 2023).

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2018-2020 (3 years, 40M, 13.33M average)
2021 Team Option 9M
2022 Team Option 10M
2023 Team Option 12.5M


Le'Veon Bell
Reported: 4 years, $52.5 million, 13.125M average.

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2 years, 28.47M (14.23M average)

 

[darthseinfeld]

Todd Gurley
Reported: 4 years, $57.5 million, 14.375M average (extension through 2023).

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2018-2020 (3 years, 40M, 13.33M average)
2021 Team Option 9M
2022 Team Option 10M
2023 Team Option 12.5M


Le'Veon Bell
Reported: 4 years, $52.5 million, 13.125M average.

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2 years, 28.47M (14.23M average)

People focus to hard in AAV of the whole deal

 

[glimmerman]

So Elliot should fall in between likely around 14 even.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Todd Gurley
Reported: 4 years, $57.5 million, 14.375M average (extension through 2023).

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2018-2020 (3 years, 40M, 13.33M average)
2021 Team Option 9M
2022 Team Option 10M
2023 Team Option 12.5M


Le'Veon Bell
Reported: 4 years, $52.5 million, 13.125M average.

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2 years, 28.47M (14.23M average)

So where you think Zeke lastest offer falls? Guaranteed that is

 

[glimmerman]

So where you think Zeke lastest offer falls? Guaranteed that is

35-37

 

[xwalker]

So where you think Zeke lastest offer falls? Guaranteed that is

I think the Cowboys would be happy to give him the exact same contract as Gurley.
- If they can ensure that he is under contract for the next 3 seasons for 40M total, they should be fine with that.
- Then having no risk team options in the following years like the Gurley deal would be perfect.

The Gurley contract has "training camp" bonuses in some years which minimizes the chance of a holdout.

I expect a contract for Zeke to have provisions to minimize the chance that he holds out again.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think the Cowboys would be happy to give him the exact same contract as Gurley.
- If they can ensure that he is under contract for the next 3 seasons for 40M total, they should be fine with that.
- Then having no risk team options in the following years like the Gurley deal would be perfect.

The Gurley contract has "training camp" bonuses in some years which minimizes the chance of a holdout.

I expect a contract for Zeke to have provisions to minimize the chance that he holds out again.

He'll likely get a slight bit more than Gurley.

However that extra little bit won't mean much down the road. Also, we are two years out from any of the new salaries hitting the cap. Those will most certainly look much smaller as the cap rises and other deals get done

 

[ChuckA1]

He'll likely get a slight bit more than Gurley.

However that extra little bit won't mean much down the road. Also, we are two years out from any of the new salaries hitting the cap. Those will most certainly look much smaller as the cap rises and other deals get done

That's an interesting way to look at it. Honestly, I failed to consider there will be no impact on cap until year three (third year out from now or 2021), if I understand what you said correctly.

 

[ChuckA1]

I imagine there will be strong off-field trouble provisions also.

 

[Proof]

Weren’t both gurley and bells deals 5 years?

 

[AbeBeta]

That's an interesting way to look at it. Honestly, I failed to consider there will be no impact on cap until year three (third year out from now or 2021), if I understand what you said correctly.

If you look at the Gurley deal, the structure is such that the cap hits are roughly the same in year 4 and 5 as you'd have with the old contract and option year.

So no real difference until 2021 ... when the cap will likely be 15-20 mill larger

 

[ChuckA1]

You know, I really am pretty good with math. BUT, I'll be the first to admit the CAP rules are like ancient Greek to me.

 

[Ranching]

Todd Gurley
Reported: 4 years, $57.5 million, 14.375M average (extension through 2023).

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2018-2020 (3 years, 40M, 13.33M average)
2021 Team Option 9M
2022 Team Option 10M
2023 Team Option 12.5M


Le'Veon Bell
Reported: 4 years, $52.5 million, 13.125M average.

Realistically, with the guarantees the contract is:
2 years, 28.47M (14.23M average)

So? Any insight or just like hogging!

 

[xwalker]

That's an interesting way to look at it. Honestly, I failed to consider there will be no impact on cap until year three (third year out from now or 2021), if I understand what you said correctly.

The prorated portion of the signing bonus hits the cap each of the first 5 years.
- For Gurley's contract that is 4.2M per year.

Overall it does not matter when money hits the cap, only how much total divided by how many years the player is on the roster.
- If a player costs 10M per season on average for 3 years, then it does not really matter which of the following ways it's structured:
10M, 10M, 10M
19M, 10M, 1M
1M, 10M, 19M

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The Bell deal is weird though because it contains $500,000 per game roster bonuses. So if I'm not mistaken when he's on the roster all season (probably) he earns $16 million this year alone. Then the 13 million guaranteed for next year could turn into $21 million thanks to the same roster bonuses - making it $37 million over two seasons. I don't know how that will play into the negotiations, if at all.

 

[xwalker]

Weren’t both gurley and bells deals 5 years?

No.

Bell's contract is 4 years.

Gurley's new contract is a 4 year extension.

• 2015: Year 1 rookie contract
• 2016: Year 2 rookie contract
• 2017: Year 3 rookie contract
  • New Contract signed in 2018.
• 2018: Year 4 rookie contract
• 2019: Year 5 rookie contract
• 2020: Year 1 new contract
• 2021: Year 2 new contract
• 2022: Year 3 new contract
• 2023: Year 4 new contract

Despite year 1 of the new contract being 2020, he received the signing bonus in 2018 and 1/5 of the bonus is added to the Rams cap in each year from 2018 to 2022.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The Bell deal is weird though because it contains $500,000 per game roster bonuses. So if I'm not mistaken when he's on the roster all season (probably) he earns $16 million this year alone. Then the 13 million guaranteed for next year could turn into $21 million thanks to the same roster bonuses - making it $37 million over two seasons. I don't know how that will play into the negotiations, if at all.

I flubbed his comp for this year, he got an $8 million signing bonus, then has $2 million base, $4 million roster bonus, another $500,000 bonus, then the per game bonuses ($8 more million possible).

 

[xwalker]

The Bell deal is weird though because it contains $500,000 per game roster bonuses. So if I'm not mistaken when he's on the roster all season (probably) he earns $16 million this year alone. Then the 13 million guaranteed for next year could turn into $21 million thanks to the same roster bonuses - making it $37 million over two seasons. I don't know how that will play into the negotiations, if at all.

The 500K number is a total for each season, NOT per game.

OTC has it listed in the notes: Annual Per Game Active Bonus: $31,250

i.e. 31,250 x 16 = 500K

The 500K per season bonuses are already included in the 52.5M contract total.

 

[xwalker]

I flubbed his comp for this year, he got an $8 million signing bonus, then has $2 million base, $4 million roster bonus, another $500,000 bonus, then the per game bonuses ($8 more million possible).

If you look at OTC and add the totals at the bottom of each of the following columns together, you'll get 52.5M.
Base Salary
Prorated Bonus
Roster Bonus
Per Game Roster Bonus

As I said in my previous reply, the Per Game Roster Bonuses are 31,250 per game x 16 games = 500K.

The only thing not included in the reported 52.5M contract total is the 1 time 500K listed under: Other Bonus (2019)

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

The 500K number is a total for each season, NOT per game.

OTC has it listed in the notes: Annual Per Game Active Bonus: $31,250

i.e. 31,250 x 16 = 500K

The 500K per season bonuses are already included in the 52.5M contract total.

I thought I might be reading that wrong, because that wasn't how I remembered it, but who was I to argue with what it said? That makes more sense.