Contract negotiations

[Killerinstinct]

The front office needs to get pro-active and think ahead. This belief that deadlines create agreement is backfiring.

RIGHT now they should be working the next contracts for Dak, Zeke, Byron, LCollins, Cooper, Brown, Jaylon and any one else they are going to try to re-sign. Extend them early when possible and if they demand too much put them on the trading block. This history of getting nothing for Ware, Dez and others they have had to let go while they still had value is hurting the team. Trade them while they have maximum value when they are unsignable at reasonable cost.

It is too late for Dlaw. Put him on the trade block now. If no one wants him then let him play out the tag and get the 3rd rd comp pick when he leaves. They should have re-signed him 2 years ago when he would have been a fraction of the cost.

You can't pay every player the highest salary at their position.

 

[DHCBF66]

The front office needs to get pro-active and think ahead. This belief that deadlines create agreement is backfiring.

RIGHT now they should be working the next contracts for Dak, Zeke, Byron, LCollins, Cooper, Brown, Jaylon and any one else they are going to try to re-sign. Extend them early when possible and if they demand too much put them on the trading block. This history of getting nothing for Ware, Dez and others they have had to let go while they still had value is hurting the team. Trade them while they have maximum value when they are unsignable at reasonable cost.

It is too late for Dlaw. Put him on the trade block now. If no one wants him then let him play out the tag and get the 3rd rd comp pick when he leaves. They should have re-signed him 2 years ago when he would have been a fraction of the cost.

You can't pay every player the highest salary at their position.

So you want to give guys still on rookie deals big $$$ now and destroy our cap space? Zeke still has another year and a 5th year option. Jaylon knows what the Cowboys did for him while he was injured and if anyone is going to sign for less than he is worth it will be Jaylon. Collins can be replaced via the draft, his play at RT has been average at best. Just because D_Law is being greedy does not mean everyone else will be!

 

[DFWJC]

Dallas has extended several players in recent years before the contract is up.
They've done it both ways, but really, doing what the OP is saying they do has been more the exception than the rule.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Dallas has extended several players in recent years before the contract is up.
They've done it both ways, but really, doing what the OP is saying they do has been more the exception than the rule.

Exactly, they did it with Fred, Martin and Tron and now all 3 deals look reasonable. This way, you know what the player is willing to sign for before your back is against the wall plus you have time to trade them if they are expecting more than you are willing to give.

 

[Killerinstinct]

So you want to give guys still on rookie deals big $$$ now and destroy our cap space? Zeke still has another year and a 5th year option. Jaylon knows what the Cowboys did for him while he was injured and if anyone is going to sign for less than he is worth it will be Jaylon. Collins can be replaced via the draft, his play at RT has been average at best. Just because D_Law is being greedy does not mean everyone else will be!

It doesn't destroy the cap space. Adding future years to the current deal doesn't necessarily change what they will be paid in the current year when you extend them early. If you wait until next year to approach Jaylon with contract offer you might be negotiating with an all pro. Collins can be replaced but why not make an offer now of what you are willing to pay to keep him. If he wants more then why let him go for nothing at the end of his contract. Trade him now if there are suitors.

They just need to think ahead and quit relying on deadlines to force deals.

 

[Risen Star]

Exactly, they did it with Fred, Martin and Tron and now all 3 deals look reasonable. This way, you know what the player is willing to sign for before your back is against the wall plus you have time to trade them if they are expecting more than you are willing to give.

The difference is those three players negotiated fairly. They didn't decide to play injured. They didn't increase their asking price after their initial one was met.

The problem with the Lawrence negotiations isn't the Cowboys, it's DeMarcus Lawrence.

 

[Whirlwin]

My Philosophy is. Your money players are your middle players. Center defensive tackle strong safety middle linebacker. Other than that I'm keeping football rotational solid player. And you keep changing them. Salary cap dictates this. You have to decide where you want to spend the money. Oh yeah quarterback LOL yeah I know it also takes great coaching

 

[Killerinstinct]

The difference is those three players negotiated fairly. They didn't decide to play injured. They didn't increase their asking price after their initial one was met.

The problem with the Lawrence negotiations isn't the Cowboys, it's DeMarcus Lawrence.

And had they tried to sign him earlier they would have known he was a "problem" and they could have traded him. They may have even been able to get a big haul for him at one point. Now they are looking at a 3rd rd comp pick which is basically a 4th rd pick.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Exactly, they did it with Fred, Martin and Tron and now all 3 deals look reasonable. This way, you know what the player is willing to sign for before your back is against the wall plus you have time to trade them if they are expecting more than you are willing to give.

While this is true, I would think to negotiate OLmen contracts would fairly easier than any other positions due their longevity and stability. In fact, other than OLmen and Lee, what other Cowboy players long-term contract negotiation went as smoothly? I can't think of any.....

 

[DFWJC]

Exactly, they did it with Fred, Martin and Tron and now all 3 deals look reasonable. This way, you know what the player is willing to sign for before your back is against the wall plus you have time to trade them if they are expecting more than you are willing to give.

I hear you, but
Lawrence is asking for way too much right now if the reports are true.
He is not Khalil Mack

 

[Killerinstinct]

While this is true, I would think to negotiate OLmen contracts would fairly easier than any other positions due their longevity and stability. In fact, other than OLmen and Lee, what other Cowboy players long-term contract negotiation went as smoothly? I can't think of any.....

That is the point. Find out which players are going to want to play hardball early. Then you have time to negotiate ahead of time. If you end up in a position where you can't come to an agreement you can trade the player while you still have his rights. If you wait until the contract is over then you only get a comp pick at best. Plus you are signing them a year early so you avoid a years worth of inflation.

 

[SoupcanSam]

So you want to give guys still on rookie deals big $$$ now and destroy our cap space? Zeke still has another year and a 5th year option. Jaylon knows what the Cowboys did for him while he was injured and if anyone is going to sign for less than he is worth it will be Jaylon. Collins can be replaced via the draft, his play at RT has been average at best. Just because D_Law is being greedy does not mean everyone else will be!

Oh but they will!

 

[Rayman70]

The front office needs to get pro-active and think ahead. This belief that deadlines create agreement is backfiring.

RIGHT now they should be working the next contracts for Dak, Zeke, Byron, LCollins, Cooper, Brown, Jaylon and any one else they are going to try to re-sign. Extend them early when possible and if they demand too much put them on the trading block. This history of getting nothing for Ware, Dez and others they have had to let go while they still had value is hurting the team. Trade them while they have maximum value when they are unsignable at reasonable cost.

It is too late for Dlaw. Put him on the trade block now. If no one wants him then let him play out the tag and get the 3rd rd comp pick when he leaves. They should have re-signed him 2 years ago when he would have been a fraction of the cost.

You can't pay every player the highest salary at their position.

no..its not JJ's fault for NOT resigning him last year or the year before to a long term deal. THE GUY WAS PLAYIN UNDER...locked into his rookie deal. Why spend money that you don't need to? Remember, we still were paying Romo,Dez then too... Whats happening with him now is on him,not the team. Before anything can happen, he needs to sign his tag...until then, the team wont talk to him bout anything. That's just business. This will likely be Zeke's last year in Dallas.He may have 2-3 years left of great play. Let someone else pay a kings ransom for a rb.The other guys you listed are a must have...except for Byron.

 

[Killerinstinct]

They should also re-sign players when they are down. Right now they should be re-signing Gregory if they are going to try to keep him. Re-sign him to a 6 year deal for peanuts with clauses that would void the contract if he is ever permanently suspended and lowering the deal if he is temporarily suspended.

If the league ever changes their MJ policy then you have your RE locked up for peanuts. If they don't, you have a part time player locked up for cheap.

 

[Killerinstinct]

no..its not JJ's fault for NOT resigning him last year or the year before to a long term deal. THE GUY WAS PLAYIN UNDER...locked into his rookie deal. Why spend money that you don't need to? Remember, we still were paying Romo,Dez then too... Whats happening with him now is on him,not the team. Before anything can happen, he needs to sign his tag...until then, the team wont talk to him bout anything. That's just business. This will likely be Zeke's last year in Dallas.He may have 2-3 years left of great play. Let someone else pay a kings ransom for a rb.The other guys you listed are a must have...except for Byron.

If this is Zekes last year and they have no intention of re-signing him then why not see what they can get for him while he is amongst the best RB's in the biz. There has to be a team that would be willing to give up some premium picks for him. Why use him one more year then let him go for nothing?

If Dlaw was playing under and they didn't believe he was worth a huge contract then the first time he looked valuable they should have offered him a contract at what they believed he was worth and if he didn't want it then they should have contacted every front office in the league looking for a trade partner.

I understand he needs to sign the tag but if they find a trade partner that is willing to pay him what he wants HE WILL SIGN THE TAG.

This team never thinks ahead to the extent they should and we are always playing catch up.

 

[Rayman70]

If this is Zekes last year and they have no intention of re-signing him then why not see what they can get for him while he is amongst the best RB's in the biz. There has to be a team that would be willing to give up some premium picks for him. Why use him one more year then let him go for nothing?

If Dlaw was playing under and they didn't believe he was worth a huge contract then the first time he looked valuable they should have offered him a contract at what they believed he was worth and if he didn't want it then they should have contacted every front office in the league looking for a trade partner.

I understand he needs to sign the tag but if they find a trade partner that is willing to pay him what he wants HE WILL SIGN THE TAG.

This team never thinks ahead to the extent they should and we are always playing catch up.

you bring up a great point on Zeke. I wonder if the team has fielded calls for him? hmm..

 

[Killerinstinct]

you bring up a great point on Zeke. I wonder if the team has fielded calls for him? hmm..

Of course they haven't. They never think that far ahead. They are probably trying to figure out how they can use the "deadline" next year to convince him to take a decent offer instead of finding out right now what he is willing to re-sign for.

 

[Rayman70]

Of course they haven't. They never think that far ahead. They are probably trying to figure out how they can use the "deadline" next year to convince him to take a decent offer instead of finding out right now what he is willing to re-sign for.

don't discount Will McClays influence on the FO and Stevie's thinking. I expect some splash trades actually.This is a good year to make a move up if you can into the first round for a position other than QB. Ed Oliver is exactly what we need and whom I would trade up for. 10-15 year player.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

They need to sign Quinn for a reasonable long-term deal. So we will gain some negotiation leverage and won't be held hostage by D Law.

 

[CouchCoach]

Do we know what they tried to do prior to tagging him the first time? This is a player with a spotty history with injuries and was suspended. He was late arriving and they were right to wait and see about him and I believe they still are right except offering 20M for him is overpay.

And is Lawrence not the poster boy for "where were you when we needed you"?