Controversial ruling overturned

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TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -- A federal appeals court has cleared the way for pat-down searches of fans to resume at Tampa Bay Buccaneers home games when the football season begins in August.

Tampa-area high school teacher Gordon Johnston had successfully challenged the frisking of fans entering Raymond James Stadium, arguing that it violated his constitutional protection against unreasonable searches. Three courts had agreed with him.

But a three-judge panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the decision Tuesday, saying Johnston had forfeited his right to challenge the constitutionality of the pat-downs when he consented to them.

The court also noted that Johnston doesn't have a constitutional right to watch a football game, that he was aware of the search policy before entering the stadium and that the Bucs can revoke game tickets for any reason.

"Considering Johnston's ticket was only a revocable license to attend games, there is in the Court's opinion at least a question concerning whether Johnston had a constitutional right to pass voluntarily through the stadium gates without being subjected to a pat-down search, even if he had not consented to one," the court wrote.

At three games in 2005, Johnston accepted the pat-down searches but told security officials he did not consent.

NFL officials have contended that pat-down searches, which began in 2005, provide an essential layer of security in an age of constant terrorism threats.

Johnston, 61, said he is talking to his attorneys to determine his next move. He could ask the panel to reconsider its decision, request a review by all 12 judges of the 11th Circuit or appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"I don't want to give up on it," Johnston said Wednesday. "Being a government teacher and knowing the Constitution, I think it's the wrong decision."

Rick Zabak, an attorney for the Tampa Sports Authority, the government agency that runs the stadium, said he's trying to determine whether the court's decision allows the searches to automatically resume at the Buccaneers first preseason game Aug. 10 or if he has to ask a court to reinstate them.

Zabak said he thinks Tuesday's decision will decide the issue definitively.

"You never say never, and we don't know how far (Johnston) is going to press it, but it's a pretty strong opinion," he said.

The NFL lauded the ruling.

"Pat-downs are an important part of our comprehensive security procedures, including secure facility perimeters and bag searches," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said in a statement. "These limited, consensual security screenings are designed to enhance the protection and safety of our fans."

Tampa is the only NFL city where the pat-downs had been successfully challenged in court, although lawsuits also have been filed in Chicago, Seattle and San Francisco.

Johnston said he will get rid of his Buccaneers season tickets if pat-downs resume in Tampa.

Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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kind of funny seeing that the people, here at texas stadium anyway, are about as lazy and uninterested as you can get when doing this.

you can sneak anything in, the security guys and gate guys here are terrible. They barely search you and most of them last year didnt speak english.

before the home opener last year I sat outside the gates waiting for them to be open, at the same time, 15 minutes before the stadium was to open the three guys at the gate were being trained how to check the fans, it was comical. They didnt speak english and they had no idea what they were doing.

I imagine it is that way everywhere but maybe new york.
 

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theebs;1540033 said:
kind of funny seeing that the people, here at texas stadium anyway, are about as lazy and uninterested as you can get when doing this.

you can sneak anything in, the security guys and gate guys here are terrible. They barely search you and most of them last year didnt speak english.

before the home opener last year I sat outside the gates waiting for them to be open, at the same time, 15 minutes before the stadium was to open the three guys at the gate were being trained how to check the fans, it was comical. They didnt speak english and they had no idea what they were doing.

I imagine it is that way everywhere but maybe new york.

What do you mean these guys do a bad job? Not one single good looking woman has been able to sneak anything in. :laugh2:
 

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I agree with the searchs. It is for security and if he doesn't want to be searched, don't attend the games. To me its like flying on an airline and saying I don't consent to an x-ray and luggage check...Well then you don't fly.

I don't consent to speeding laws, will that be next ? How about taxation ?
 

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Jarv;1540048 said:
I agree with the searchs. It is for security and if he doesn't want to be searched, don't attend the games. To me its like flying on an airline and saying I don't consent to an x-ray and luggage check...Well then you don't fly.

I don't consent to speeding laws, will that be next ? How about taxation ?

I agree with you and the court ruling
 

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Jarv;1540048 said:
I agree with the searchs. It is for security and if he doesn't want to be searched, don't attend the games. To me its like flying on an airline and saying I don't consent to an x-ray and luggage check...Well then you don't fly.

I don't consent to speeding laws, will that be next ? How about taxation ?

Exactly right.
 

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Doomsday101;1540044 said:
What do you mean these guys do a bad job? Not one single good looking woman has been able to sneak anything in. :laugh2:

I sneak an airhorn into every game. Need I say more?
 

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I disagree with it. I just hate the fact that we now are all marked a potential bad guy. It's just one of many things I prefer not to have to go through because there's a few bad apples out there. Once again, the good folks have to pay for the bad persons actions.

From a safety stand point how could you not agree with it. Sad.
 

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CowboyJeff;1540161 said:
I sneak an airhorn into every game. Need I say more?

Are you a good looking woman as I indicated in my response? :laugh2:
 

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Seven;1540177 said:
I disagree with it. I just hate the fact that we now are all marked a potential bad guy. It's just one of many things I prefer not to have to go through because there's a few bad apples out there. Once again, the good folks have to pay for the bad persons actions.

From a safety stand point how could you not agree with it. Sad.

I agree that I don't want to be marked as a bad guy, and if a cop came to me out of no where and said ' we have to pat you down, to make sure you're safe", I'd be furious.

However, this is a private event owned by a private enterprise. Part of their procedure for me viewing it live is that they check me at security. It is the Bucs right to require that before entrance, and I must consent if I wish to see a game.

Luckily, I don't wish to see a game there.
 

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theebs;1540033 said:
most of them last year didnt speak english.

it was comical. They didnt speak english and they had no idea what they were doing.

I imagine it is that way everywhere but maybe new york.

theebs: ARE YOU JOHN ROCKER? C'MON, you can tell us!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh2:
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1540206 said:
theebs: ARE YOU JOHN ROCKER? C'MON, you can tell us!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh2:

Your a friggin tool. THe new york comment is because security is heightened there for pretty much everything, so the gates at the meadowlands will be no different.
 

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theebs;1540226 said:
Your a friggin tool. THe new york comment is because security is heightened there for pretty much everything, so the gates at the meadowlands will be no different.

Mister, it is: YOU'RE A FRIGGIN TOOL. Seems to me you are English-deficient as well!

Harumph!!!:)

fool don wan no help fool don get no help:laugh2:
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1540228 said:
Mister, it is: YOU'RE A FRIGGIN TOOL. Seems to me you are English-deficient as well!

Harumph!!!:)

fool don wan no help fool don get no help:laugh2:

wow you really got me there. A grammatical error, what will I ever do.

What is your point on this website other than to try and be funny and swing and miss every time?
 

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theebs;1540033 said:
kind of funny seeing that the people, here at texas stadium anyway, are about as lazy and uninterested as you can get when doing this.

you can sneak anything in, the security guys and gate guys here are terrible. They barely search you and most of them last year didnt speak english.

before the home opener last year I sat outside the gates waiting for them to be open, at the same time, 15 minutes before the stadium was to open the three guys at the gate were being trained how to check the fans, it was comical. They didnt speak english and they had no idea what they were doing.

I imagine it is that way everywhere but maybe new york.

Shhhhhhh.... Don't let TX Stadium officials know how top notch the security crew here is. We don't want those guys going anywhere.

I didn't pay for a single beer the entire last season. Between blue parking and aisle seats, I could be to my car and back during a long commercial break. After scores and in between quarters is the best time to go.
 

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Doomsday101;1540026 said:
"Being a government teacher and knowing the Constitution, I think it's the wrong decision."

LOL :laugh2::laugh2::laugh1::laugh1::laugh2::laugh2:

I love it when high school teachers think they know the law merely because they taught the constitution one week in their class.

Idiot.
 

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BigDave95;1540418 said:
Shhhhhhh.... Don't let TX Stadium officials know how top notch the security crew here is. We don't want those guys going anywhere.

I didn't pay for a single beer the entire last season. Between blue parking and aisle seats, I could be to my car and back during a long commercial break. After scores and in between quarters is the best time to go.

seriously! That is too funny. I should be suprised but Im not.
 

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Jarv;1540048 said:
I agree with the searchs. It is for security and if he doesn't want to be searched, don't attend the games. To me its like flying on an airline and saying I don't consent to an x-ray and luggage check...Well then you don't fly.

I don't consent to speeding laws, will that be next ? How about taxation ?

OOOH! OOOH! pick me!
 
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