Cooper Rush wasn't bad

leeblair said:
The Cowboys outscored the opposing team with Rush at the helm. If Dak is supposedly going to make the Cowboys so much better, then they should easily win out, considering Rush was 4-1.
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so wins and losses are a QB stat? right?

and based on your logic....Dak is better than Rush, so we should win out....Mahomes is way way way better than Rush. Mahomes should never ever lose another game.
 
leeblair said:
I don't know how good Rush could be if he were given the opportunity to play the way Dak has. He's played six games against good teams and won five of them. Being objective, it's clear that he's better than Dak.
But he may not be good enough to be the franchise quarterback. And if he isn't, that's fine. But he's done far better than Dak in limited opportunities. He's produced, and he doesn't wait for someone else to start things off.
The argument that I make is that going back to Dak is a bad call. We've seen what Dak can do. And we saw it this season. Dak shut down in the opening night.
But Cooper Rush is a far more accurate passer, and I think with these receivers he has a better chance of winning because of his accuracy. They aren't good, but he was able to work with them.
So draft a quarterback next year. The Cowboys have passed on quarterbacks in the trade market that were far better than Dak before they sold the farm to overpay him.
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being objective :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

put the bud lights away dude. just put them away.

Rush has produced...like 106 yards against rams and 13 points...

we won't dig into the Philly debacle with 3 turnovers from mr. lollipop arm.

Rush should buy a gift for all of the defensive players on the team. they made him into what your think he is.
 
Brooksey said:
He had a better second half when they opened the play book a little, but he still had a very poor game. Can't turn the ball over like that
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he had a better second half, because we ran the ball. the offense looked better because of that.
 
Rush was terribullllllll. He processes the defense decently but doesn't have the arm to take advantage. Both of our QBs seem to do exceptional in practice but fail to duplicate the gameplan on game day.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
being objective :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

put the bud lights away dude. just put them away.

Rush has produced...like 106 yards against rams and 13 points...

we won't dig into the Philly debacle with 3 turnovers from mr. lollipop arm.

Rush should buy a gift for all of the defensive players on the team. they made him into what your think he is.
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They can't be objective when they say things like "Dak has never made one of those throws." as they praised Cooper Rush for every now and then being able to make a good throw. Yet there are plenty of film showing Dak making the great tight window, dime and sideline throws they insist he has never made in his career as a QB. They aren't objective when claiming that Rush is the better passer than Dak is. Since in reality, Cooper Rush is limited in the types of throws a QB needs to make in order to be a starter in the NFL, which is why no NFL team has signed him as their starting QB or picked him up. Because if Cooper Rush was as accurate and as efficient in his passes as some anointed him to be, he would have been picked up by another NFL team as at least their 2nd string backup, if not their starter.

Like I said, I appreciate Rush for what he has done in the 4 games we won and he is a solid backup QB. But the truth is that all of the talk about Cooper Rush being "better" than Dak, by some media and Dak critics, isn't going to change the reality of how NFL teams wouldn't take Cooper Rush over Dak, nor would they give up higher draft picks and compensation for Rush than they would for Dak, if both were put up for trading.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
4 out of 5 QBs drafted in first round fail.

I am not opposed to drafting a QB in the first round but chances are we may have to do it several times to find a decent one. Unless you have a crystal ball.

There were questions about.mahomes being a system QB, that's why he dropped. Remember turbiskey was picked ahead of him.

Josh Allen had tons of questions marks....Mayfield and darnold were picked ahead of him.

Goff and Wentz...people debated to no end...oh well


Unless you have a troy aikman, or manning who are.cant miss and come once in a generation and are first overall pick, the rest are risky and as I said 4 out of five fail

So you got a crystal ball given you went with pick of the litter with your choices
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I don't disagree that it's not a certain thing, but it's been shown over and over again it can be done. And just saying well it will be hard, so let's just stick with what we have isn't an answer for me. Looks the perennial good teams in this league. Almost all have a highly drafted QB. There is a reason, they have a skill set other QB's don't have.
 
leeblair said:
I don't know how good Rush could be if he were given the opportunity to play the way Dak has. He's played six games against good teams and won five of them. Being objective, it's clear that he's better than Dak.
But he may not be good enough to be the franchise quarterback. And if he isn't, that's fine. But he's done far better than Dak in limited opportunities. He's produced, and he doesn't wait for someone else to start things off.
The argument that I make is that going back to Dak is a bad call. We've seen what Dak can do. And we saw it this season. Dak shut down in the opening night.
But Cooper Rush is a far more accurate passer, and I think with these receivers he has a better chance of winning because of his accuracy. They aren't good, but he was able to work with them.
So draft a quarterback next year. The Cowboys have passed on quarterbacks in the trade market that were far better than Dak before they sold the farm to overpay him.
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I do agree with this. If Rush was given as much rope as Dak and the offenses and teams Dak has been given over the long term I think he would look just about like Dak has. They are both pretty average QB's, both with limitations that cause them to not be able raise their game to that next level. Albeit different limitations in my opinion. Neither are the answer for the Cowboys. Either one are a great option for a backup, or as a starter that a defense and run game can carry.
 
HMJYay said:
I don't disagree that it's not a certain thing, but it's been shown over and over again it can be done. And just saying well it will be hard, so let's just stick with what we have isn't an answer for me. Looks the perennial good teams in this league. Almost all have a highly drafted QB. There is a reason, they have a skill set other QB's don't have.
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Yes, it can be done. Just because odds are low it doesn't mean you shouldn't try. But given those odds it probably means we would have to go through that cycle several times.

Also it's a question of do we go that route or do we try to build a team and make a run and which one has a better chance.

It's not about having a QB...it's about a winning team.

Entynof teams have made it to the super bowl with below elite QBs
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
Yes, it can be done. Just because odds are low it doesn't mean you shouldn't try. But given those odds it probably means we would have to go through that cycle several times.

Also it's a question of do we go that route or do we try to build a team and make a run and which one has a better chance.

It's not about having a QB...it's about a winning team.

Entynof teams have made it to the super bowl with below elite QBs
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I agree with you on most of that. I know we can't just cut Dak, it's not feasible. My point is something else has to be tried vs. paying him another huge contract in two years. And now is the time to try it. We have multiple defensive stars to pay soon and Rush has shown it doesn't take great to replace Dak. I think the Cowboys know the contract was a mistake at this point. So, rise the defense hope for the best and find someone new before his contract is out. I think that's the smartest strategy.
 
HMJYay said:
I agree with you on most of that. I know we can't just cut Dak, it's not feasible. My point is something else has to be tried vs. paying him another huge contract in two years. And now is the time to try it. We have multiple defensive stars to pay soon and Rush has shown it doesn't take great to replace Dak. I think the Cowboys know the contract was a mistake at this point. So, rise the defense hope for the best and find someone new before his contract is out. I think that's the smartest strategy.
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I don't disagree about not giving him another contract.

At that point we are done and this approach has taken it's course.

I wasn't opposed to resigning him and those opposing wanted to go the draft route and even pointed to Paxton Lynch as a potential replacement QB that we should and could have drafted..

The issue is not Dak. Or another QB. The issue is Jerry. I have zero confidence in Jerry to be able to win even with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. We are way too dysfunctional
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I don't disagree about not giving him another contract.

At that point we are done and this approach has taken it's course.

I wasn't opposed to resigning him and those opposing wanted to go the draft route and even pointed to Paxton Lynch as a potential replacement QB that we should and could have drafted..

The issue is not Dak. Or another QB. The issue is Jerry. I have zero confidence in Jerry to be able to win even with Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. We are way too dysfunctional
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I think most being honest would agree that paying Dak again after this contract would be a mistake.

I agree on the points about Jerry. But, Dak is one of the mistakes Jerry made. He gave in and gave him the contract and it will now cost them the defense they managed to build. Where they have some luck is the ability in two years to let Dak go and possibly pay the defensive stars. But, that requires looking in the mirror being honest about the situation (Jerry and Stephen not you) and realizing they need to plan for a new QB to be on the roster for that to happen. So as to not double down on the first mistake. Just my two cents.
 
HMJYay said:
I think most being honest would agree that paying Dak again after this contract would be a mistake.

I agree on the points about Jerry. But, Dak is one of the mistakes Jerry made. He gave in and gave him the contract and it will now cost them the defense they managed to build. Where they have some luck is the ability in two years to let Dak go and possibly pay the defensive stars. But, that requires looking in the mirror being honest about the situation (Jerry and Stephen not you) and realizing they need to plan for a new QB to be on the roster for that to happen. So as to not double down on the first mistake. Just my two cents.
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I disagree with him coating us the defense we want to build. That's a talking point for most Dak detractors.

We had 20M on the cap this year but chose not to spend. Last year we could have done the same. But chose not to. We paid cooper and decided to trade him because Jerry wasn't happy with him.

And I disagree with building a team through FA. It doesn't work. I am sure people will point to Rams, but they are and have been an exception to the rule.

And Jerry had opportunity to sign Dak before he was franchised and Stephen negated the deal over a couple of million. If he is your guy a couple of million shouldn't matter. If couple of million is the issue then he is not your guy.

Jerry and Stephen are incapable of building a championship team...
 
Was Rush spectacular? No. Did he fulfill his role well? Absolutely. He played as well as anyone could expect from a backup that was thrust into a starting role right at the beginning of the season. He’s not as good as Dak and never will be, but that’s OK. He’s more than sufficient as an NFL backup QB. We were lucky to have him and he saved the season from going into the crapper right off the bat.
 
Rush played great as a backup QB.

Hopefully they give him a long term backup contract.
 
FVSTONE said:
I'm a big Rush supporter and wasn't happy with the way he was floating his passes to the receivers. If he had put more on his passes then maybe they would have hit their targets, but he didn't and that allowed the coverage to breakup most of his passes or intercept them.
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The lack of arm strength became very apparent and why defenses began adjusting quickly.
 
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