Copy Cat Thread Part Deux

[Maikeru-sama]

The Broncos always seem to find a way to put up ungodly rushing numbers year end and year out with 2nd to 3rd Round drafted running backs. With the exception of Tackle, George Foster, who was selected in the 1st round, most of the lineman are 2nd Day picks.

I know they utilize some techniques that some want outlawed, but thus far, their techniques are extremely legal.

The Offensive Line Coach last year was hired on by the Falcons and the Falcons had a very excellent year rush wise, as I beleive they were 1st overall, which they may have been the year previous as well.

I am not familiar with this part of the NFL, but how would it be perceived or taken if a coach for the Cowobys wanted to learn more about the schemes Denver employed and went directly to the source and sought the knowledge?

The league loves to copy from one another and I am not even sure one would even need to contact a member of the Broncos' coaching staff to learn about their techniques as you could just watch game film probably.

Just curious as to why we dont look into some of the teachings and techniques these guys employ?

 

[Hostile]

The Broncos always seem to find a way to put up ungodly rushing numbers year end and year out with 2nd to 3rd Round drafted running backs. With the exception of Tackle, George Foster, who was selected in the 1st round, most of the lineman are 2nd Day picks.

I know they utilize some techniques that some want outlawed, but thus far, their techniques are extremely legal.

The Offensive Line Coach last year was hired on by the Falcons and the Falcons had a very excellent year rush wise, as I beleive they were 1st overall, which they may have been the year previous as well.

I am not familiar with this part of the NFL, but how would it be perceived or taken if a coach for the Cowobys wanted to learn more about the schemes Denver employed and went directly to the source and sought the knowledge?

The league loves to copy from one another and I am not even sure one would even need to contact a member of the Broncos' coaching staff to learn about their techniques as you could just watch game film probably.

Just curious as to why we dont look into some of the teachings and techniques these guys employ?

If the Cowboys employed the Chop Block there'd be a rule instituted in mid season.

Even without that block that O-line is lethal as in good. They are very fast as opposed to huge, outside of Foster. They pull and trap a lot and are very quick on sweeps.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

The Bronco's have been doing it for years now. Id say that plenty of teams have tried to copy cat it.

The Pats fielded a line of unlikelies last year as well when they won the SB..O-Line is important, but with the cap you can't afford to only have 1str and 2nd rounders, you have to get resourceful.

Thats why we need to hope that Pettiti can hold it down.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If the Cowboys employed the Chop Block there'd be a rule instituted in mid season.

Even without that block that O-line is lethal as in good. They are very fast as opposed to huge, outside of Foster. They pull and trap a lot and are very quick on sweeps.

So Hos, do you see this technique being outlawed in the future?

They are getting these guys in the 4th and 5th round, there has to be some method to the maddness.

I still dont know why we didnt take a swing at that OLine Coach that went to the Falcons from Denver.

That is kind of why I think Kubiak is going to do some good things in Houston as he will bring their system down south.

Man, I would really like to learn from the enemy on this, maybe not get the system down packed, but at least pay close attention to the Size, Quickness, Agility, etc etc of the players they are drafting.

 

[Hostile]

So Hos, do you see this technique being outlawed in the future?

They are getting these guys in the 4th and 5th round, there has to be some method to the maddness.

I still dont know why we didnt take a swing at that OLine Coach that went to the Falcons from Denver.

That is kind of why I think Kubiak is going to do some good things in Houston as he will bring their system down south.

Man, I would really like to learn from the enemy on this, maybe not get the system down packed, but at least pay close attention to the Size, Quickness, Agility, etc etc of the players they are drafting.

Eventually the NFL will outlaw the chop block. What I'm saying though is that the Chop is only one aspect of what Denver does so well.

Will teams start employing smaller O-linemen? I don't think so. If a team ever had 5 athletic big men, really big, and used some of Denver's techniques it might be outrageous.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Parcells is in the mold of a power running game, while the Broncos are more of a finess team. Their backs may run you over, like Anderson, Davis, etc....but the line isn't a bunch of maulers, they rely on technique and speed...the anti thesis of Parcells style football.

Both styles work if you ask me. We had a bunch of maulers in the early 90s....Denver won 2 SB's with a quick O-Line who relied on pulls and traps, and cut blocks.

The Oline will be better off just by the fact that Tucker isn't our LT next year

 

[Rush 2112]

Zimmer tried to copy the Tampa 2 with their assistance 4-5 years back.

Doesn't work so well with 7-8 scrubs on D.

Wouldn't shock me at all if be started merging to Denver-type OL.

Easy to see those types go later in draft.

 

[Jimmie]

it just seems like no matter who they plug in on the OL or at RB, they're still successful.

I noticed the Falcons, with a similiar style as well. Anyone remember the name "Lehr"? As in Matt Lehr.. yea, he signed with Atl and started all 16 games for them at LG. Did a wonderful job from what little I saw of the falcons, he was at best a backup here.:starspin

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Eventually the NFL will outlaw the chop block. What I'm saying though is that the Chop is only one aspect of what Denver does so well.

Will teams start employing smaller O-linemen? I don't think so. If a team ever had 5 athletic big men, really big, and used some of Denver's techniques it might be outrageous.

Yeah, I know they utilize more than just that one technique.

Man, this would be a perfect way to learn from out enemy here. Of course, things are always easier said then done, just was curious if there was a very definitive answer on why we wouldnt steal some of their thunder.

- Mike G.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

it just seems like no matter who they plug in on the OL or at RB, they're still successful.

I noticed the Falcons, with a similiar style as well. Anyone remember the name "Lehr"? As in Matt Lehr.. yea, he signed with Atl and started all 16 games for them at LG. Did a wonderful job from what little I saw of the falcons, he was at best a backup here.:starspin

Word from anyone I know who follows the Falcons, Lehr will be replaced. He did pretty well, but an 8-8 team is always looking to imrpove. From what I hear, he's not starting there next year.

 

[Jimmie]

Yeah, I know they utilize more than just that one technique.

Man, this would be a perfect way to learn from out enemy here. Of course, things are always easier said then done, just was curious if there was a very definitive answer on why we wouldnt steal some of their thunder.

- Mike G.

and why its not being copied by others! :starspin

 

[junk]

Scheme is part of it, but offensive line has a lot to do with coaching in my opinion.

I posted a thread awhile back detailing some of the top lines in the NFL and tried to look at some common denominators (KC, Sea, Indy, Denver was who I looked at.)

For the most part, high round picks were spent on tackles. The lines were littered with castoff free agents and former undrafted free agents.

So what seemed to be the most common theme among all of these lines? Experienced coaches. The coaches were either long time OL coaches with serious credentials or guys who had been mentored under high profile OL coaches (Alex Gibbs, Tom Lovat).

No former coaches of New Haven with a year or two of NFL OL experience here.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42737&highlight=offensive+line