Could NFL Ban Hugely Successful E-Gals Play In 2023?

[noshame]

SIMPLE: STOP THEM FROM GETTING TO 4TH AND short yardage situations!!

This will suffer the same fate as the wedge on kickoffs

 

[thunderpimp91]

No, the NFL should not ban it. Getting too ban happy. Need to remove a whole lot of rules as it is, not add to

I'm pretty sure the NFL is going to ban it, but I like your thought process here. We complain about how bad the refs are, but the NFL rule book is roughly 240 pages long. I would love to see the league start to simplify the rule book.

Keep this play legal and defenses will find a way to adapt. As long as it doesn't become a safety issue I think you should keep it as is.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

Why ban this play and allow the hip swing tackles onto the backs of a runners legs to continue? 1 is causing injuries, and in Dak's case it was a major injury. The other isn't hurting anything. Well, nothing other than someone is getting their feelings hurt.

Both need to be banned.

 

[cowboys5xsbs]

It absolutely should get banned before someone gets a serious injury

 

[JayFord]

Why ban it?

if they get to 3rd or 4th and inches or 1 yard to go and you cant stop it so be it

theres a counter to everything and as far as health of players its no different than what happens at the goal line

 

[LatinMind]

Who didn't see this coming? There was another thread on this. If they don't ban it, the entire league will start doing it. They should never have removed the rule.

Cowboys have rules made specifically for them, the horse collar because of Roy. And Greg ellis' no hold because the defender ran through the hold.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

Do we have the type players on offense to pull off plays like this? If not, maybe we need to get some big greasys

 

[Jake]

It's not fair. Eagles typical play scenario:

4 yard run
3 yard run
1.5 yard run
4 and 1. Easy 1-2 yards using the scrum.

If Cowboys thought of this formation in Dak and Zeke's rookie year, they would have a SB already.

So it's not fair because the Eagles thought of something that the Cowboys weren't clever enough to incorporate into their offense?

 

[jazzcat22]

Just make that an illegal formation. Like too many players around the QB. That is the simplest solution.

And if they want to push then only one or two players, but must be lined up as if the QB was just going to kneel down to prevent a fumble. Maybe make them stay a yard or so away from the QB.
And if they want to add more to push, they must come in from outside the tackle box. As if lined up as a TE or WR. Giving the defense a chance to stop it.

I don't see anything really wrong with it. The defense knows what is coming. So devise a plan to stop it. Put more defenders in the box.
What it will take is many injuries for it to change.

Once it gets stopped, then you know what will be next. Have a player lined up as a TE, then slip out beyond the defense. The QB slips behind the protection and throw a quick pass to the wide open receiver.

 

[dfense]

So it's not fair because the Eagles thought of something that the Cowboys weren't clever enough to incorporate into their offense?

No, it's not fair because it works 95% of the time on 1 yard to go. So the NFL will see that and want to get rid of it. You should never be allowed to push players from behind. That's lame.

 

[dfense]

No not really, it actually take some talent to accomplish this and Dak would have also had to have an MVP level season his rookie year, which he didn't. He was a bus driver, if you recall. We would've had also needed a defense which we didn't have.

They had a C and G that were All-Pro and Zeke was scaring defenses to death his rookie year. Dak could have snuck all year and nobody would have even noticed half the time.

 

[Creeper]

I am not sure how I feel about this. If the risk of injury is increased by this play then I can see banning it. But no one else has copied the play really. It's just the Eagles. Maybe it is more about the strength of their OL and QB than the play itself. If that's the case then why ban if?

 

[CowboyChris]

the Eagles were unstoppable all year with that formation and play, I'm not sure if it should be banned, but it helps to have a big QB

 

[gimmesix]

Yep simple:
No pulling
No pushing

It won't be that simple, though. If an offensive lineman is engaged in a block, but the running back runs into the defender, does the offensive linemen get penalized for pushing if he keeps blocking with the back between him and the defender. When the offensive linemen comes up and hits the defender when he's tackling an offensive player, will that be ruled as pushing. It's easy to see when a lineman pulls on another offensive player. Determining if something was a push or incidental contact while the lineman was attempting to block can be more tricky.

 

[Havic]

The Eagles are so successful at it because more often than not, their line gets a massive initial push. How many teams can put together that kind of o-line? You will cut down the success rate a little, but hell, why can’t we do the same with Dak?

Because Dak is a statue

 

[noshame]

It won't be that simple, though. If an offensive lineman is engaged in a block, but the running back runs into the defender, does the offensive linemen get penalized for pushing if he keeps blocking with the back between him and the defender. When the offensive linemen comes up and hits the defender when he's tackling an offensive player, will that be ruled as pushing. It's easy to see when a lineman pulls on another offensive player. Determining if something was a push or incidental contact while the lineman was attempting to block can be more tricky.

Clearly the rule would be there to stop organized plays

 

[gimmesix]

Clearly the rule would be there to stop organized plays

So specifically for something like this? But when you have someone run up to a back when defenders are trying to take him down and push the pile for extra yardage, who's to say that's not a practiced "organized" play? You'd have to call it on any play where an offensive player pushes on another offensive player to help him gain yardage or leave it up to the officials to determine what is an organized effort and what isn't. Maybe you could limit it in scope to a few specific plays and err on the side of not giving officials another judgment call.

 

[noshame]

So specifically for something like this? But when you have someone run up to a back when defenders are trying to take him down and push the pile for extra yardage, who's to say that's not a practiced "organized" play? You'd have to call it on any play where an offensive player pushes on another offensive player to help him gain yardage or leave it up to the officials to determine what is an organized effort and what isn't. Maybe you could limit it in scope to a few specific plays and err on the side of not giving officials another judgment call.

Ultimately it will be a judgment call to a degree I'd imagine.

 

[gimmesix]

Ultimately it will be a judgment call to a degree I'd imagine.

Yeah. I just hate adding another one. Those seem to find a way to bite us.

 

[Flamma]

It won't be that simple, though. If an offensive lineman is engaged in a block, but the running back runs into the defender, does the offensive linemen get penalized for pushing if he keeps blocking with the back between him and the defender. When the offensive linemen comes up and hits the defender when he's tackling an offensive player, will that be ruled as pushing. It's easy to see when a lineman pulls on another offensive player. Determining if something was a push or incidental contact while the lineman was attempting to block can be more tricky.

They didn't have a problem for many years with the rule that you can't physically push the ball carrier forward.

What bothers me is when I listen to the Philly radio stations and they never once mentioned why the league is looking to remove that play. They think it's about them.

The league doesn't want 32 teams running that play, or a variation of that play on every 3rd and 1. All year long. They found a loophole, and the league is considering closing it. Not because the Eagles are so great.

It was cool for a year, and because only the Eagles were doing it. But even Eagles fans should be able to see what's coming. But I would think even Eagles fans wouldn't want this play being used on every 3rd or 4th and short, by every team, all year long.