Could we have gotten Carson Palmer?

[JIGGYFLY]

I do not usually do this (What ifs about players) but this has been on my mind for the last couple of weeks and I would like to get some others opinions.

Stay with me now, it was rumored that Cincinati wanted to get out of the first pick when they drafted Palmer because he was considered a one year wonder and or a system qb (Norm Chow) and they needed more help than just a qb.
The question I ask is would you have traded the #5 pick (Newman) and other choices for Carson Palmer, at the time I would have said no way but now I think I would do it in a heartbeat. Marvin Lewis was said to be high on Newman leading up to the draft so they might have taken a deal.

Also can anybody figure out what it would have taken to move up to that #1 pick and what other current players that we have, that would not have drafted by us.

 

[Hiero]

wouldve done it then and would do it now. I wanted Leftwich or Palmer that year. didnt remember hearing anything about a tradedown though.

 

[Jay]

I was thinking about something like this last night, and sure it would have been nice..

But.. man oh man, look what Newman has turned into. Just watching the game over last night, he has turned into one hell of a defender and he's a pretty damn good tackler.

Personally, I think I'd keep Newman. Palmer will be a great QB but I think Newman is something special in comparison to the other corners in the league.

But.. of course, no one realizes this for the Pro Bowl. But.. soon enough.

 

[THUMPER]

I do not usually do this (What ifs about players) but this has been on my mind for the last couple of weeks and I would like to get some others opinions.

Stay with me now, it was rumored that Cincinati wanted to get out of the first pick when they drafted Palmer because he was considered a one year wonder and or a system qb (Norm Chow) and they needed more help than just a qb.
The question I ask is would you have traded the #5 pick (Newman) and other choices for Carson Palmer, at the time I would have said no way but now I think I would do it in a heartbeat. Marvin Lewis was said to be high on Newman leading up to the draft so they might have taken a deal.

Also can anybody figure out what it would have taken to move up to that #1 pick and what other current players that we have, that would not have drafted by us.

I lobbied hard for us to trade up for Palmer. The rumor at the time was that Cincy would have done it for our 1st (#5, Terrence Newman) and 3rd (#69, Jason Witten) round picks. They didn't need a QB since they were happy with Jon Kitna and didn't want to have to pay #1 money for a player at a different position so they were looking to trade down but found no takers.

At the time we had the great Quincy Carter and the awesome Chad Hutchinson as our QB stable so why should we spend high draft picks to get yet another young QB in here.

Now I like Newman and Witten a lot but I would trade both of them for Carson Palmer in a heartbeat and throw in Drew Henson to boot.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I lobbied hard for us to trade up for Palmer. The rumor at the time was that Cincy would have done it for our 1st (#5, Terrence Newman) and 3rd (#69, Jason Witten) round picks. They didn't need a QB since they were happy with Jon Kitna and didn't want to have to pay #1 money for a player at a different position so they were looking to trade down but found no takers.

At the time we had the great Quincy Carter and the awesome Chad Hutchinson as our QB stable so why should we spend high draft picks to get yet another young QB in here.

Now I like Newman and Witten a lot but I would trade both of them for Carson Palmer in a heartbeat and throw in Drew Henson to boot.

I have to say, on the other board, you did think Palmer was going to be good, and I was not impressed from what I saw in College. I was much more impressed with Leftwitch.

Hindsight 20/20 but I would have been pretty happy with Leftwitch, although for sure it seems like Palmer definetly is a better QB than leftwitch at this point

 

[JIGGYFLY]

I lobbied hard for us to trade up for Palmer. The rumor at the time was that Cincy would have done it for our 1st (#5, Terrence Newman) and 3rd (#69, Jason Witten) round picks. They didn't need a QB since they were happy with Jon Kitna and didn't want to have to pay #1 money for a player at a different position so they were looking to trade down but found no takers.

At the time we had the great Quincy Carter and the awesome Chad Hutchinson as our QB stable so why should we spend high draft picks to get yet another young QB in here.

Now I like Newman and Witten a lot but I would trade both of them for Carson Palmer in a heartbeat and throw in Drew Henson to boot.

I have to admit I was not sold on Palmer at the time because of the one year wonder thing and there was some rumors about his toughness with that said only losing a third would have been a steal, but losing newman and whitten would be hard to do. I guess the question you have to ask yourself what is harder to find a franchise QB or a potential shut down corner and a pro bowl TE.

 

[bengalsown]

I lobbied hard for us to trade up for Palmer. The rumor at the time was that Cincy would have done it for our 1st (#5, Terrence Newman) and 3rd (#69, Jason Witten) round picks. They didn't need a QB since they were happy with Jon Kitna and didn't want to have to pay #1 money for a player at a different position so they were looking to trade down but found no takers.

At the time we had the great Quincy Carter and the awesome Chad Hutchinson as our QB stable so why should we spend high draft picks to get yet another young QB in here.

Now I like Newman and Witten a lot but I would trade both of them for Carson Palmer in a heartbeat and throw in Drew Henson to boot.

Why didn't the Bengals need a QB? Because Jon Kitna led us to an amazing 2-14?

The Bengals would not have traded down. They had his contract pretty much negotiated before the draft even began.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Should have done it no question. At least inquired about it.

Newman has played great this year, but you absolutely MUST have the franchise QB if you want to be an elite team and compete with Indy and NE year in and year out.

As Madden said last night about NE, having the guy they have at QB makes up for lots of injuries to other areas of their team.

QB is the most important position in the game and until we get "our guy" to build this franchise around, we may talk playoffs, but we will always be a bridesmaid, imo.

 

[jesusphreak]

Whoa, whoa...Carson has had one good year. Newman and Witten have both been invaluable and have had several good seasons already. It appears Newman is only getting better.

Again, hindsight is great, but if I'm the Cowboys, there is no way in hell that I'm trading my 1st and 3rd round picks for a QB that could've ended up not being so great. Actually, we still don't know if he's great.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Why didn't the Bengals need a QB? Because Jon Kitna led us to an amazing 2-14?

The Bengals would not have traded down. They had his contract pretty much negotiated before the draft even began.

The Begals were definitley looking to trade down as any 2-14 team would be with no clear cut #1 player there were a lot questions surrounding Palmer leading up to the draft.

 

[Jay]

I'm with jesusphreak on this one.

Trading away Newman AND Witten?

No thanks.

 

[sago1]

Easy in hindsight to say we should have moved up to get Carson Palmer cause you believed he was going to be "great". But there no guarantees on QBs no matter where they go. Just few years earlier Cincy used #1 pick to draft Akili Smith; think he's out of football now. Bears did same thing that year drafting McGowen out of UCLA (Aikman's old college); he's no longer in the NFL either.

We could have traded up to get either one of 2 top QBs going in (I think) 98 or 99. At the time I'm sure we would have been delighted with the 2nd guy..... of course if we had we would be in big trouble cause 2nd player drafted in first round that year was QB Ryan Leaf, enuf said.

Sounds easy to think about using a top 5 pick to trade up to get top QB, but also gotta to give up another pick or a player we need. Usually if drafting that high you are a team that needs a lot of help. Its too risky unless you are a good team already who can afford to lose 2 of first 3 picks to draft top QB. Different if the player is there for a team to draft without having to trade up.

Is there a QB that looks good in 06 we interested in. Moving up to acquire #1 pick to sign Leinhart (?) costs Cowboys too much cause we got several needs. On other hand, there may be a QB or 2 available when we on the clock who could interest us like Jay Cutler, etc. or someone else who has good accurate arm who can make the throws and who also has good mechanics and is smart.

 

[TunaFan33]

I do not usually do this (What ifs about players) but this has been on my mind for the last couple of weeks and I would like to get some others opinions.

Stay with me now, it was rumored that Cincinati wanted to get out of the first pick when they drafted Palmer because he was considered a one year wonder and or a system qb (Norm Chow) and they needed more help than just a qb.
The question I ask is would you have traded the #5 pick (Newman) and other choices for Carson Palmer, at the time I would have said no way but now I think I would do it in a heartbeat. Marvin Lewis was said to be high on Newman leading up to the draft so they might have taken a deal.

Also can anybody figure out what it would have taken to move up to that #1 pick and what other current players that we have, that would not have drafted by us.

'Cuz Jerry insisted on QC and Hutch, with all the investment he put in them?

There's no IFs or BUTs in this business. These people in charge make the very best decisions possible-sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

'Cuz Jerry insisted on QC and Hutch, with all the investment he put in them?

There's no IFs or BUTs in this business. These people in charge make the very best decisions possible-sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

UH I know that. I just put it out there for something to think about, to me its water under the bridge. This was just for conversation something to make you go HMMMM.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

Easy in hindsight to say we should have moved up to get Carson Palmer cause you believed he was going to be "great". But there no guarantees on QBs no matter where they go. Just few years earlier Cincy used #1 pick to draft Akili Smith; think he's out of football now. Bears did same thing that year drafting McGowen out of UCLA (Aikman's old college); he's no longer in the NFL either.

We could have traded up to get either one of 2 top QBs going in (I think) 98 or 99. At the time I'm sure we would have been delighted with the 2nd guy..... of course if we had we would be in big trouble cause 2nd player drafted in first round that year was QB Ryan Leaf, enuf said.

Sounds easy to think about using a top 5 pick to trade up to get top QB, but also gotta to give up another pick or a player we need. Usually if drafting that high you are a team that needs a lot of help. Its too risky unless you are a good team already who can afford to lose 2 of first 3 picks to draft top QB. Different if the player is there for a team to draft without having to trade up.

Is there a QB that looks good in 06 we interested in. Moving up to acquire #1 pick to sign Leinhart (?) costs Cowboys too much cause we got several needs. On other hand, there may be a QB or 2 available when we on the clock who could interest us like Jay Cutler, etc. or someone else who has good accurate arm who can make the throws and who also has good mechanics and is smart.

Actually I agree with everything you say I really do not think you need to sell the farm for that one QB especially when there are Question marks attached, but with that said Sometimes you have to roll the dice to win big and in the case of Palmer I have had to rethink my position.

 

[md2005]

I lobbied hard for us to trade up for Palmer. The rumor at the time was that Cincy would have done it for our 1st (#5, Terrence Newman) and 3rd (#69, Jason Witten) round picks. They didn't need a QB since they were happy with Jon Kitna and didn't want to have to pay #1 money for a player at a different position so they were looking to trade down but found no takers.

At the time we had the great Quincy Carter and the awesome Chad Hutchinson as our QB stable so why should we spend high draft picks to get yet another young QB in here.

Now I like Newman and Witten a lot but I would trade both of them for Carson Palmer in a heartbeat and throw in Drew Henson to boot.

I followed that draft very closely and I dont recall that offer being on the table. A third round to move up to the one spot seems a bit short. I LOVE Newman and I remember Marvin Lewis was rumored to want to take him in the one spot but a Franchise QB is VERY tought to come by. Palmers prescense reminds me of Troy and I would do anyting to get that positon solidified

 

[InmanRoshi]

Kitna didn't have a decent year until Palmer's first year in the league.

 

[THUMPER]

I followed that draft very closely and I dont recall that offer being on the table. A third round to move up to the one spot seems a bit short. I LOVE Newman and I remember Marvin Lewis was rumored to want to take him in the one spot but a Franchise QB is VERY tought to come by. Palmers prescense reminds me of Troy and I would do anyting to get that positon solidified

I don't know that it ever was "on the table", I had just remember that I heard a rumor that Cincy was shopping it and for a very cheap price and that Dallas had been one of the teams they were targeting since we had the #5 pick and needed a QB.

I would trade any 3 players currently on our team for a franchise QB.