Couple of assumptions for next season

[playmakers]

Well guys July 1st is right around the corner. That is the date when you can start to smell football again for me. The offseason went pretty quick.

1st assumption

No way does Greg Ellis get within an area code of 12 sacks. Where and how he got 12 last season is beyond me. Hes getting older and has bad knees among other things. We need somebody else to step up and make up for the sacks hes probably not going to get imo.

2nd assumption

Roy Williams could be cut. I dont know if this was addressed in other posts, and if it was I apologize but I think there is a possibilty here. Having corners like Pac Man, Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and a host of other promising young talents almost force a scenario to pick between Henry or Williams at saftey. Neither vet will endorse being a back-up. If I had to choose now I have to pick Henry but if you ask me whose more talented I say Williams.

3rd assumption

Our recievers are ok. I think either Austin or Stanback will developed into a good number 3. I think Hurd will be cut. He had opporunties last season in which he didnt really excel. I think Austin could be a sleeper. If you noticed every time he had a chance to play reciever last year he made something happen. Against Green Bay he was open deep and got I beileve two interference calls for about 80 yards, and in the playoff game vs the NYG he was wide open deep but Romo was under pressure and couldnt throw the ball. I think he needs time on the field and he will show if he can do it or not. We cant forget about Amediola(sp) either. Lots of good comp there. Someone is bound to step up.

4th assumption

We have an average coaching staff that could bring us down. Leaving Garrett out of this but the rest of the coaches all have big time question marks somewhere. Wade has never won a playoff game. Stew, his defense had holes last season. The special teams were, and they can only thank Nick Folk for this, very avearge at best and Tony Soprano has left for the Dolphins. Im just trying to be brutally honest.

5th (NFC East)

The Commanders will not be that good this year(not being biased either.) If a team goes 8-8 with coaches like Gibbs and Saunders one can only imagine how many wins their get with Jim Zorn. The only way I dont see this happening is if Sweed and Kelly become players quickly. I beileve they have the same players coming back from a 7-9/8-8 team last season and I dont see how anybody can say they improved.

The Giants shouldnt even play this season because their going to be a freaking mess. Its already happening in training camp. They went on a streak last season because Shockey was away from the team and Burries was too injuried to start problems. Now that there both healthy there back to the ways that made Giants losers. You think they would of learned after winning the Superbowl. Coughlin might be put in a looney bin by week 5. I feel bad for the guy actually.

If the Eagles stay 100 percent healthy they could give us a run for the division, they have an easy schedule. Their recievers suck. Westbrook though is as good of a player as there is in the league.

If we start out 3-0, look out, we could be doing a New England. At Cleveland, Philly and at Green Bay is a tough road. I really dont see the Skins or Giants giving us any problems this year for reasons I stated above and after that we have games against the Bucs, Bengals, Ravens, Ari, Rams, and Sf to name a few. These games wont exactly be nail biters. Pittsburgh will be tough but if were 12-0 going into Pitt we will have the edge. Also. this is assuming we stay healthy.

Opinions, this is just for fun. Whats your take?????

 

[the kid 05]

i think your thoughts of Giants and Eagles are a bit switched. The Eagles are going to be a flopping mess and the Giants with a healthy Shockey and Plax will challenge us for the top of the East. but they lost a major leader in Gaptooth.

Westbrook is a good player but he isn't LT he can't make the eagles offense that much better.

and yes the Commanders i could see as a 2-14 3-13 team.

now with your assumtions...

#1.
Greg will get 10-15 sacks due to his lack of playing time and his vast knowledge and skills. Out side of his ACL tear i never heard of him having knee problems (that i remember)

#2
If Roy were to be cut it would have been done by now. believe me its been discussed. ok you say you'd pick a lesser talented Henry over a more talented Roy...por que?

#3
out side of Terrell and Terry yah our wideouts are "ok" but they will make strides this season. There is also speculation we are adding a vet wideout still.

#4
you just lost all credibility by saying out coaches are average. Hudson Houck will defenitly retool our o-line and make them better then they were last season. Dave Campo is a hell of a db coach...not so much a head coach lol. Wade is a winner and Jason Garrett happens to be one of the youngest and brightests minds in the nfl today...

 

[Vinnie2u]

[QUOTE
#4
you just lost all credibility by saying out coaches are average. Hudson Houck will defenitly retool our o-line and make them better then they were last season. Dave Campo is a hell of a db coach...not so much a head coach lol. Wade is a winner and Jason Garrett happens to be one of the youngest and brightests minds in the nfl today...[/QUOTE]


Ray Sherman is a hellava WR's coach...

 

[the kid 05]

[QUOTE
#4
you just lost all credibility by saying out coaches are average. Hudson Houck will defenitly retool our o-line and make them better then they were last season. Dave Campo is a hell of a db coach...not so much a head coach lol. Wade is a winner and Jason Garrett happens to be one of the youngest and brightests minds in the nfl today...

Ray Sherman is a hellava WR's coach...[/quote]

And Joe Jerzuserhs (sp?) is a hell of a strength and conditioning coach as well, damn we really are stacked all over

 

[CrazyCowboy]

5th (NFC East)

The Commanders will not be that good this year(not being biased either.) If a team goes 8-8 with coaches like Gibbs and Saunders one can only imagine how many wins their get with Jim Zorn. The only way I dont see this happening is if Sweed and Kelly become players quickly. I beileve they have the same players coming back from a 7-9/8-8 team last season and I dont see how anybody can say they improved.

The Giants shouldnt even play this season because their going to be a freaking mess. Its already happening in training camp. They went on a streak last season because Shockey was away from the team and Burries was too injuried to start problems. Now that there both healthy there back to the ways that made Giants losers. You think they would of learned after winning the Superbowl. Coughlin might be put in a looney bin by week 5. I feel bad for the guy actually.

If the Eagles stay 100 percent healthy they could give us a run for the division, they have an easy schedule. Their recievers suck. Westbrook though is as good of a player as there is in the league.

If we start out 3-0, look out, we could be doing a New England. At Cleveland, Philly and at Green Bay is a tough road. I really dont see the Skins or Giants giving us any problems this year for reasons I stated above and after that we have games against the Bucs, Bengals, Ravens, Ari, Rams, and Sf to name a few. These games wont exactly be nail biters. Pittsburgh will be tough but if were 12-0 going into Pitt we will have the edge. Also. this is assuming we stay healthy.

toughest division in the NFL!

 

[Hostile]

A couple now equals 5? The new math just befuddles me.

#1. We don't need Ellis to have 12 sacks. We need the team as a whole to be getting them. Ellis getting 12 last year means Thomas, James, Williams, Spencer, Hatcher, Spears, Johnson, Burnett, Carpenter, and Ratliff all could benefit if they are coming for the QB on that side and Ellis is a focus of the blocking. I think he'll get at least 10.

#2. Everything has been discussed about Roy Williams. To the point of beaten to death. The fans on every website are so obsessed with him that the DFW thinks you, me, and everyone else care about no other player on the team. They are wrong. So is this assumption. He's not going anywhere.

#3. I wouldn't hang my hat on anyone past Crayton. Until those guys step up, all of them are JAGs. JAGs don't yet deserve any trust. If we can get better at WR this team can be virtually unbeatable.

#4. I disagree with this. Houck is one of the best OL Coaches in NFL History. We should be better at blocking than ever. I never liked Sparano's run blocking schemes. I won't miss him. I've been told Ken Herring is absolutely breathing life into the LB Corps. I never heard of him until we hired him. It seems like this is going to be the unit that will make a huge leap forward in 2008. Ray Sherman is a fantastic coach. This is a talented and emerging staff who are very together as far as supporting each other.

#5. I never think the NFC East is predictable. The teams are simply too focused. As long as we are on top it is a good thing. The rest of them could be good, or they could all suck. I just want us to be good and I think the opportunity is there.

 

[Future]

3rd assumption

Our recievers are ok. I think either Austin or Stanback will developed into a good number 3. I think Hurd will be cut. He had opporunties last season in which he didnt really excel. I think Austin could be a sleeper. If you noticed every time he had a chance to play reciever last year he made something happen. Against Green Bay he was open deep and got I beileve two interference calls for about 80 yards, and in the playoff game vs the NYG he was wide open deep but Romo was under pressure and couldnt throw the ball. I think he needs time on the field and he will show if he can do it or not. We cant forget about Amediola(sp) either. Lots of good comp there. Someone is bound to step up.

Agree about Austin, I think he could be the guy to step up. Especially since the reports coming out of camp are that he is playing well and catching the ball. We may be a bit deeper at WR than we all realize.

 

[ENGCowboy]

Well guys July 1st is right around the corner. That is the date when you can start to smell football again for me. The offseason went pretty quick.

1st assumption

No way does Greg Ellis get within an area code of 12 sacks. Where and how he got 12 last season is beyond me. Hes getting older and has bad knees among other things. We need somebody else to step up and make up for the sacks hes probably not going to get imo.

2nd assumption

Roy Williams could be cut. I dont know if this was addressed in other posts, and if it was I apologize but I think there is a possibilty here. Having corners like Pac Man, Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and a host of other promising young talents almost force a scenario to pick between Henry or Williams at saftey. Neither vet will endorse being a back-up. If I had to choose now I have to pick Henry but if you ask me whose more talented I say Williams.

3rd assumption

Our recievers are ok. I think either Austin or Stanback will developed into a good number 3. I think Hurd will be cut. He had opporunties last season in which he didnt really excel. I think Austin could be a sleeper. If you noticed every time he had a chance to play reciever last year he made something happen. Against Green Bay he was open deep and got I beileve two interference calls for about 80 yards, and in the playoff game vs the NYG he was wide open deep but Romo was under pressure and couldnt throw the ball. I think he needs time on the field and he will show if he can do it or not. We cant forget about Amediola(sp) either. Lots of good comp there. Someone is bound to step up.

4th assumption

We have an average coaching staff that could bring us down. Leaving Garrett out of this but the rest of the coaches all have big time question marks somewhere. Wade has never won a playoff game. Stew, his defense had holes last season. The special teams were, and they can only thank Nick Folk for this, very avearge at best and Tony Soprano has left for the Dolphins. Im just trying to be brutally honest.

5th (NFC East)

The Commanders will not be that good this year(not being biased either.) If a team goes 8-8 with coaches like Gibbs and Saunders one can only imagine how many wins their get with Jim Zorn. The only way I dont see this happening is if Sweed and Kelly become players quickly. I beileve they have the same players coming back from a 7-9/8-8 team last season and I dont see how anybody can say they improved.

The Giants shouldnt even play this season because their going to be a freaking mess. Its already happening in training camp. They went on a streak last season because Shockey was away from the team and Burries was too injuried to start problems. Now that there both healthy there back to the ways that made Giants losers. You think they would of learned after winning the Superbowl. Coughlin might be put in a looney bin by week 5. I feel bad for the guy actually.

If the Eagles stay 100 percent healthy they could give us a run for the division, they have an easy schedule. Their recievers suck. Westbrook though is as good of a player as there is in the league.

If we start out 3-0, look out, we could be doing a New England. At Cleveland, Philly and at Green Bay is a tough road. I really dont see the Skins or Giants giving us any problems this year for reasons I stated above and after that we have games against the Bucs, Bengals, Ravens, Ari, Rams, and Sf to name a few. These games wont exactly be nail biters. Pittsburgh will be tough but if were 12-0 going into Pitt we will have the edge. Also. this is assuming we stay healthy.

Opinions, this is just for fun. Whats your take?????

#1 Youre going to get blasted

#2 You don't read enough threads on this board

#3 You dont understand when training camp starts (see assumption 5 Giants)

Just for fun:bang2:

 

[zeromaster]

Add me to the list of people that don't understand where the OP is coming from with the coaching staff opinion. Special teams, OK, otherwise check your meds.

 

[Bull Frog]

Assumption #6 - Limas Sweed will be traded to the Steelers soon. Book it.

 

[AbeBeta]

1st assumption

No way does Greg Ellis get within an area code of 12 sacks.

The guy got 12.5 coming off an achilles tear. Whatever the added year of age takes away is offset by the extra year coming off the injury -- few players come back from that to full strength after only a year.

Anyone player on the other side of Ware is going to break 10 sacks

2nd assumption

Roy Williams could be cut.

Wow. COULD be cut. You can say that about anyone. Could. Lame.

3rd assumption

Our recievers are ok. I think either Austin or Stanback will developed into a good number 3. I think Hurd will be cut. He had opporunties last season in which he didnt really excel. I think Austin could be a sleeper.

Hurd won't be cut -- he's a decent 4-5 WR and he contributes on special teams.

4th assumption

We have an average coaching staff that could bring us down. Leaving Garrett out of this but the rest of the coaches all have big time question marks somewhere. Wade has never won a playoff game. Stew, his defense had holes last season. The special teams were, and they can only thank Nick Folk for this, very avearge at best and Tony Soprano has left for the Dolphins. Im just trying to be brutally honest.

We have a ton of former coordinators on our staff. Crack on Campo all you want but he's one hell of a guy to have as a DB coach. Phillips is the defensive coordinator in reality. Garrett showed some good stuff last year. Although I wanted a younger guy, Houck is a good addition. Ray Sherman is a fine WR coach, Todd Grantham was D-coord in Cleveland last year, the list goes on. This is a team with a ton of coaching talent. Many of our position coaches would have higher level jobs elsewhere.

5th (NFC East)

The Commanders will not be that good this year(not being biased either.) ...
The Giants shouldnt even play this season because their going to be a freaking mess.... If the Eagles stay 100 percent healthy they could give us a run for the division, they have an easy schedule...

If we start out 3-0, look out, we could be doing a New England.

Anyone who discounts any team in the NFC East is on crack. The NFC East is and has been for several years the best division in the league. Very good teams end up going 8-8. I have no doubt that the Eagles, the last place team in '07, would have won the NFC West or South going away. 16-0 is a pipe dream in the NFC East.

 

[Hostile]

Assumption #6 - Limas Sweed will be traded to the Steelers soon. Book it.

Why would he be traded to them when they drafted him? They're going to trade him to themselves?

 

[Bull Frog]

Why would he be traded to them when they drafted him? They're going to trade him to themselves?

Well according to the OP he plays for the Skins. Just a jab.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

Well guys July 1st is right around the corner. That is the date when you can start to smell football again for me. The offseason went pretty quick.

1st assumption

No way does Greg Ellis get within an area code of 12 sacks. Where and how he got 12 last season is beyond me. Hes getting older and has bad knees among other things. We need somebody else to step up and make up for the sacks hes probably not going to get imo.

Ellis plays opposite D-Warewolf, that's how he can get double-digit sacks. Now if Spence can step it up next year then he'll cut into Greg's total but the man can rush the passer.

2nd assumption

Roy Williams could be cut. I dont know if this was addressed in other posts, and if it was I apologize but I think there is a possibilty here. Having corners like Pac Man, Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and a host of other promising young talents almost force a scenario to pick between Henry or Williams at saftey. Neither vet will endorse being a back-up. If I had to choose now I have to pick Henry but if you ask me whose more talented I say Williams.

I doubt it. I believe this may be Roy's last chance to revive his impact player status but I don't see him being shown the door this season. We don't have enough depth at the safety position.

3rd assumption

Our recievers are ok. I think either Austin or Stanback will developed into a good number 3. I think Hurd will be cut. He had opporunties last season in which he didnt really excel. I think Austin could be a sleeper. If you noticed every time he had a chance to play reciever last year he made something happen. Against Green Bay he was open deep and got I beileve two interference calls for about 80 yards, and in the playoff game vs the NYG he was wide open deep but Romo was under pressure and couldnt throw the ball. I think he needs time on the field and he will show if he can do it or not. We cant forget about Amediola(sp) either. Lots of good comp there. Someone is bound to step up.

Belief around VR is that Sam arguably has the best hands of all the WRs and w/ the experience he received last season should improve his game this upcoming year. Unless Amendola or another of the UFAs sets the world on fire in camp there's no way I can see Dallas giving up on any of our young prospects.

4th assumption

We have an average coaching staff that could bring us down. Leaving Garrett out of this but the rest of the coaches all have big time question marks somewhere. Wade has never won a playoff game. Stew, his defense had holes last season. The special teams were, and they can only thank Nick Folk for this, very avearge at best and Tony Soprano has left for the Dolphins. Im just trying to be brutally honest.

Now you're just trippin'! Houck, Sherman, Garrett (John & Jason), Grantham & Campo is a hell of a staff w/ loads of experience. Phillips basically had BP's coaches last season & I consider every one that he added this year as an upgrade. These guys will be an integral part of any success Dallas has this season! Something tells me you'll change your tune before the end of the season.

 

[Hostile]

Well according to the OP he plays for the Skins. Just a jab.

My bad. Didn't even catch that.

 

[playmakers]

My apologizes on Sweed, I meant Devin Thomas.

On the coaching staff, the fact still remains that Wade Phillps has zero playoff wins and he coached some good teams. That concerns me. For crying out loud, we went 13-3 last season and he still couldnt get a win. When your cursed your cursed. The Music City play comes to mind as well. As for Campo, a few seasons ago he was this puppet and now all of a sudden hes this football genius. I know the comeback will be its assisant against head coach which has some credence; however, Jacksonville let him walk after one season and he was the Browns dcoordinater in 03-04 and got axed. I like Houck, enough said there, but I think Sherman is a bit overrated because he always worked with the best recievers in the game. He didnt exactly turn the Titan recievers upside down. I dont know much on Herring so I cant comment there and Stew is still unproven imo. Just my opinion and Im trying not to be biased.


On Greg Ellis, before this season his biggest sack total was 9. He averages between 7.5 and 8.5 for his career. Does career year ring a bell? Anyone thinking he can do it again I think would be a bit pre-mature. In addition, hes going to complain all season over every small detail. I think he gets 7 this season but not 12. Im hoping Im wrong.

On the Giants, I really think Shockey and Burries are going to tear that team apart. Its starting already. On paper, that team has alot of talent but they also have head cases. It will be something to keep an eye on.

On Hurd, if your keeping Owens, Crayton and Glenn that leaves Stanbach, Hurd, Austin, Ameliona and others fighting over at the most two spots. Hurd is what he is, average. He needs a good camp.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

My apologizes on Sweed, I meant Devin Thomas.

On the coaching staff, the fact still remains that Wade Phillps has zero playoff wins and he coached some good teams. That concerns me. For crying out loud, we went 13-3 last season and he still couldnt get a win. When your cursed your cursed. The Music City play comes to mind as well. As for Campo, a few seasons ago he was this puppet and now all of a sudden hes this football genius. I know the comeback will be its assisant against head coach which has some credence; however, Jacksonville let him walk after one season and he was the Browns dcoordinater in 03-04 and got axed. I like Houck, enough said there, but I think Sherman is a bit overrated because he always worked with the best recievers in the game. He didnt exactly turn the Titan recievers upside down. I dont know much on Herring so I cant comment there and Stew is still unproven imo. Just my opinion and Im trying not to be biased.


On Greg Ellis, before this season his biggest sack total was 9. He averages between 7.5 and 8.5 for his career. Does career year ring a bell? Anyone thinking he can do it again I think would be a bit pre-mature. In addition, hes going to complain all season over every small detail. I think he gets 7 this season but not 12. Im hoping Im wrong.

On the Giants, I really think Shockey and Burries are going to tear that team apart. Its starting already. On paper, that team has alot of talent but they also have head cases. It will be something to keep an eye on.

On Hurd, if your keeping Owens, Crayton and Glenn that leaves Stanbach, Hurd, Austin, Ameliona and others fighting over at the most two spots. Hurd is what he is, average. He needs a good camp.

So now Phillips is CURSED, huh, maybe we need to send him back to N.O. to see a voodoo doctor . Campo, as I thought was common knowledge 'round these parts, is a hell of a secondary coach and along w/ the upgrade in personnel that unit should be a strength, not a hindrance. As for Sherman, who pray tell do the Titans have at the WR spot? The guy's a coach not a miracle worker! We'll see if Hurd, Austin & Stanback show any improvement this year after another offseason of his tutelage.
Greg is not a Strahan or Reggie White (meaning he's not dominant), but he's solid. And w/ a beast like D-Ware opposite him he'll rarely see a double-team so his numbers just may hover around the double-digit mark (unless his fears come true and Spencer overtakes him-which wouldn't matter to me as long as SOMEONE gets the sacks)!

 

[playmakers]

So Phillps pedigree in the playoffs doesnt concern you? You really dont think somethings there?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wade Phillips is one of the top 5 defensive minds of the past 15 years. He is that good.

 

[Disturbed]

This coaching staff is very talented and it seems to be better than a lot of other teams. At some point, the players are responsible to perform. And yes, this means down the stretch and into the playoffs. We lost the past two seasons in the playoffs due to non-performance from players -- they just did not perform at key times.

I do understand the "jinked" or "cursed" comments regarding Phillips because he always seems to be on the wrong side of luck, fate, whatever you call it. He seems like a nice guy who genuinely wants to win...so for all Cowboy fans everywhere I hope we win it all this year and stop all these types of comments. And then he can retire on top and let Redball do his thing...