Cover 32: Why You Shouldn't Be Discouraged About Morris Claiborne

[LatinMind]

Claiborne was very good from the 2nd half of the denver game on. But he did have the injuries his dad dying and his kid being born. Was a trying yr. But if you get the player that was playing the 2nd half of that denver game, you are good.

 

[CyberB0b]

I don't see where the author says he was playing Tampa 2.

Edit: I see at the end he mentions it, but this seems to be a generic thing, like saying "Kiffin Defense."

It's the premise of the article.

Back to Claiborne vs Hakeem Nicks. Nicks looked open, was open, and managed to catch and run for 50+ yards because Claiborne was so far off the receiver. In a Tampa-Two defense, cornerbacks have to be physical with their receivers.

A Tampa-Two defense is a tough transition for corners and especially so for corners who are only used to playing man-to-man coverage. But Claiborne surprised me at the end of the year.

 

[casmith07]

In a Tampa 2, they absolutely have to press.

No they don't.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

2 Years and 2 INTs. IIRC, one was a horribly thrown ball by Cam Newton, not sure if it was tipped. IIRC. the other was a terribly thrown ball by Peyton Manning that may have been tipped or his arm was hit or he was under pressure. Claiborne has yet to make a fantastic play where he used his excellent cover skills or baited the Qb into a pick. For the 6th pick in the draft, he his play has been a stinking pile of garbage so far.

His trade value right now would probably be a 4th rd pick, maybe a late 3rd if some team is desperate. That is how bad he is.

 

[CyberB0b]

No they don't.

Well, here is en excerpt from the 1998 Tampa Bay Playbook.

"Re-route and disrupt his pattern. Funnel inside."

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-the-Tampa-2.html

C: Jam and re-route No. 1 to force an inside release. Drop to a depth of 12 yards with zone technique (back to the sideline) to protect the deep 7 (or flag) route. Rally to any ball thrown to the flat.

Here's a video for you, too:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/a...Defense-/152c949c-2595-4ac9-b719-e1b6c73113ad


You have no idea what you are talking about, buddy.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Because the bar so so very low right now, he has as much or more upside than anyone on the roster.
That's not necessarily a complement, btw.

Does he really have THAT much upside? His measurables at the combine were good, but not the kind of jaw dropping that elite players like Pat Peterson throw down, and he doesnt seem smart enough to make up for it.

 

[21Savage]

He is not going to shock a receiver off his route with his jam consistently and I do think he lacks the kind of short memory the really great corners have. There are times where you can just tell very early if he is going to have a good game or an average one, the confidence factor tends to waver. And that is what he has been mostly---average player. It is not his fault we gave up what we did to draft him, but he has yet to come close to what he was touted as.

You mean like that Denver game when he got beaten numerous times by Decker, early, but rebounded with strong coverage late and the interception?

 

[21Savage]

Why are some people acting like he's some big, physical corner? He's about exactly average size for an NFL corner. And he's shown he doesn't really like to tackle.

He just hasn't been very good and he might never be very good because he's not an elite athlete like most of the best corners. He has very good ball skills and that's about it.

He's a smooth athlete. Like Sherman is. And no wasted motion is ideal at CB if he can keeping honing in on his techniques.

And although he's 5/11, he has as long arms as you'll find on any CB in the league. And that counts for a lot if you're gonna have him play the press technique that's most suitable to his skills.

 

[fffiasco]

Our pass defense was much better in the games he played.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Whenever he does figure it out you can bet that will be the time Jerry decides to switch to the new "3-8" defense.

 

[TonyRomo17]

claibornes is a bust..thats has already been established..all hope left is that he atleast becomes a solid starter

 

[theSHOW]

I have a good feeling about Morris. He is young and has had 2 years into the nfl missing many games. I am expecting steady progress during the next 2 seasons. So far his play has been lacking and has not helped the team. Hopefully he is as pissed as I am about his stats.

 

[dfense]

he sucks and is a bust

Funny you say that. Up until his third year, I had the same opinion of Murray

 

[big dog cowboy]

Lack of a sustained pass rush really sucks.

 

[TrailBlazer]

I haven't given up hope for Claiborne. But idk if he has "it" between the ears. Hoping for the best. He's got the ability.

 

[Nirvana]

Dez has heaped praise on Claiborne as being the best corner on the team and I've seen flashes. I am optimistic.

 

[LatinMind]

claibornes is a bust..thats has already been established..all hope left is that he atleast becomes a solid starter

by who?

 

[Texas_Pete]

This part of the article caught my eye:

But take notice of how Morris Claiborne is using his hands. He is pushing and pulling the receiver during the whole route. Yet, his hands are never outside the framework of his body and is actually challenging the referees to call defensive holding. Because Claiborne is as close to the defender as possible, Foles decides to look elsewhere. Referees typically won’t throw a flag on this if the ball isn’t thrown Claiborne’s way. And this mindset is what helped Seattle all year. A few defensive holdings a game won’t kill them. But a 50 yard catch and run might. They would take those penalties all day long to ensure that no big plays are happening against them.

I would love for our DBs to take on this mindset.

 

[jterrell]

Anyone studying Mo's games would find a combination of rare coverage skills and inept technique at times.
He has rare natural ability to run with people and a lot of strength at the line for someone so small.
His tackling has been from moderate to poor depending upon health status.

He is a better version of Mike Jenkins.

The sky is still the limit for Mo but he is not Patrick Peterson(or richard sherman) who is simply a much bigger, stronger guy.

Carr, Scandrick and Mo make a VERY good CB group though.
They need to draft the next Carr... a big CB who can step in when Carr is cut.
Mo and Scandrick are a few years away from anything.
(Because the CB group is actually good now they can use a latish round pick on a project but big CB)

 

[jterrell]

This part of the article caught my eye:



I would love for our DBs to take on this mindset.

Seattle and NE preach it.