Cowboys and scoring early

[TheSport78]

You know what's sad?

The Cowboys haven't scored a single point in the 1st quarter since the Bucs game in Dec. of 2011.

The Bucs have scored 37 1st half points this year. while the Cowboys have scored 14 points, all coming in the 2nd quarter.

Dallas NEEDS to start fast on Sunday to have a chance IMO.

 

[jobberone]

That's been a problem for awhile.

 

[Proximo]

You know what's sad?

The Cowboys haven't scored a single point in the 1st quarter since the Bucs game in Dec. of 2011.

The Bucs have scored 37 1st half points this year. while the Cowboys have scored 14 points, all coming in the 2nd quarter.

Dallas NEEDS to start fast on Sunday to have a chance IMO.

I just don't dig on it when people stretch stats back to the previous season. This is a new season, a different team. They've played 2 games. I think it was clear both NY and Dallas had some jitters to work through early in week 1, and we seen how Dallas dominated the 2nd half. On the flip side they laid an egg last week.

And yes, maybe Tampa Bay has scored 37 first half point so far this year, but they only scored 16 points total in week 1. And I think a good deal of their 1st half point last week were due to Eli's excessive interceptions. Let's not try to paint a picture of the Bucs being some sort of 1st half juggernauts while the Cowboys are lame ducks in the 1st 2 quarters. There's simply not enough data yet this season to determine if those types of trends really exist yet or not.

 

[TheDude]

I think previous years are fairly relevant if coaches and skill position players are similar

I posted this in another thread,

Dallas rank for Pts scored by quarter

Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
2009 16 21 10 11
2010 13 15 5 11
2011 17 15 24 6

Since 2009, we are a better scoring second half team. Very average 1st quarter team. Not surprisingly, NO, NE, GNB, Phil all seem to be consistently high in 1st Qtr pts

Dallas rank for Pts scored by OPPONENT by quarter
Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
2009 1 3 3 24
2010 25 26 23 30
2011 6 21 18 19

Surprisingly, I couldn't believe how good the 2009 defense was (except 4th qtr) nor how good we were in the 1st quarter last year. No surprise was how repugnant 2010 was and even 2009 showed the 4th quarter story we are so familiar with




Dallas rank for Pts differential by quarter
Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
2009 5 12 5 18
2010 18 23 10 25
2011 10 17 20 10

Surprisingly, I couldn't believe how good the 2009 was - 4th quarter may have been what I expected

As good as the Defense was last year, if we could consistently put more points on the board early, that would translate into a different game. I think this has been a Garrett problem since 2008.

I did not adjust for turnovers, defensive scores etc. This year we have 10pts against us in the 1st quarter, but that is not the defenses fault in any way. Those numbers likely get washed out over an entire season....comparing to all teams, but maybe not.

 

[TheSport78]

I just don't dig on it when people stretch stats back to the previous season. This is a new season, a different team. They've played 2 games. I think it was clear both NY and Dallas had some jitters to work through early in week 1, and we seen how Dallas dominated the 2nd half. On the flip side they laid an egg last week.

And yes, maybe Tampa Bay has scored 37 first half point so far this year, but they only scored 16 points total in week 1. And I think a good deal of their 1st half point last week were due to Eli's excessive interceptions. Let's not try to paint a picture of the Bucs being some sort of 1st half juggernauts while the Cowboys are lame ducks in the 1st 2 quarters. There's simply not enough data yet this season to determine if those types of trends really exist yet or not.

Dallas hasn't been a fast starting team for a while IMO. Just an observation.

 

[Proximo]

As good as the Defense was last year, if we could consistently put more points on the board early, that would translate into a different game. I think this has been a Garrett problem since 2008.

I did not adjust for turnovers, defensive scores etc. This year we have 10pts against us in the 1st quarter, but that is not the defenses fault in any way. Those numbers likely get washed out over an entire season....comparing to all teams, but maybe not.

Wha??

Our pass defense was awful last year.

 

[Proximo]

Dallas hasn't been a fast starting team for a while IMO. Just an observation.

You're observation may be accurate, but to insinuate that they need to start fast to have any chance against the Bucs is ridiculous. It's not like the Bucs are bursting out of the gate on a regular basis themselves. And if we're looking at past stats for trends, then Dallas has been stomping all over the Bucs the last few meetings. Let's hope it continues Sunday.

 

[TheSport78]

You're observation may be accurate, but to insinuate that they need to start fast to have any chance against the Bucs is ridiculous. It's not like the Bucs are bursting out of the gate on a regular basis themselves. And if we're looking at past stats for trends, then Dallas has been stomping all over the Bucs the last few meetings. Let's hope it continues Sunday.

Yeah, it was just my opinion with the Cowboys needing to start fast against the Bucs. I just get the feeling that the Bucs are going to test us deep often and early.

If we can take those early shots and succeed, we should pull away with a W.

 

[TheDude]

Wha??

Our pass defense was awful last year.

This is about points. The offense does not score quick like NO, GB, etc.....

The defense gave up the 6th fewest 1st quarter points in the league last year, while the offense secord the 17th most

That does change the game

 

[Hoofbite]

Not really shocked at all. They've only scored 52 TOTAL points over that 4 game span.

Philly: 7
New York: 14
New York: 24
Seattle: 7

52 points combined for weeks 16, 17 of last season and 1, 2 for this season.

That's dead last. KC is next worst and they're at 61 points. Jacksonville and Cleveland have 2 more TDs than Dallas in that span.

League average is 94 points. New Orleans is 3 TDs ahead of a tie at 2nd place and are only 1 TD short of tripling Dallas' points as they have scored 149.

 

[JBond]

I just don't dig on it when people stretch stats back to the previous season. This is a new season, a different team. They've played 2 games. I think it was clear both NY and Dallas had some jitters to work through early in week 1, and we seen how Dallas dominated the 2nd half. On the flip side they laid an egg last week.

And yes, maybe Tampa Bay has scored 37 first half point so far this year, but they only scored 16 points total in week 1. And I think a good deal of their 1st half point last week were due to Eli's excessive interceptions. Let's not try to paint a picture of the Bucs being some sort of 1st half juggernauts while the Cowboys are lame ducks in the 1st 2 quarters. There's simply not enough data yet this season to determine if those types of trends really exist yet or not.

The "trends" exist. It doesn't matter if you choose to recognize it or not. Slow starts vs the 90's Cowboys vs today. I remember a record we set with touchdowns on the first drive of games.

 

[KJJ]

That's been a problem for awhile.

The Cowboys have had a lot of the same problems for awhile that's been a problem.

 

[Muhast]

So does this mean that Garrett has a hard time gameplanning to exploit other teams defenses but has an easier time adjusting as the game goes?

Or does it mean, teams have no problem picking up on our tendencies early?

 

[IAMKING]

It's the moron a scripting the first drive. Never works. It's the moron who won't adjust play calling.

 

[tupperware]

Not really shocked at all. They've only scored 52 TOTAL points over that 4 game span.

Philly: 7
New York: 14
New York: 24
Seattle: 7

52 points combined for weeks 16, 17 of last season and 1, 2 for this season.

That's dead last. KC is next worst and they're at 61 points. Jacksonville and Cleveland have 2 more TDs than Dallas in that span.

League average is 94 points. New Orleans is 3 TDs ahead of a tie at 2nd place and are only 1 TD short of tripling Dallas' points as they have scored 149.

Absolutely pathetic. You'd think with all the "playmakers" and the big time QB this team has that we could muster more points than that. Even with a pitiful OL at times, it's no excuse. Other teams find ways to score who have average to poor OL, why can't we?

 

[Zordon]

this was a big problem last season. drive down to close to the redzone and stall.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I expect the Cowboys to go after that Tampa secondary early and often.

 

[Apollo Creed]

RJ's first 15 (plays) have always been a problem.

Sad thing is, those are scripted and they work on those all week

 

[JoeyBoy718]

So does this mean that Garrett has a hard time gameplanning to exploit other teams defenses but has an easier time adjusting as the game goes?

Or does it mean, teams have no problem picking up on our tendencies early?

Good point that most people on here will ignore. People say Garrett doesn't adjust, but isn't finding holes in the defense later on in the game adjusting?

 

[TheSport78]

Good point that most people on here will ignore. People say Garrett doesn't adjust, but isn't finding holes in the defense later on in the game adjusting?

Maybe so, or maybe Romo just carries this team to victories; hence why Romo's 4th quarter passer rating is so high.

I always thought Garrett was subpar at in-game adjustments.

The bottom line is, it can't be one factor as to why Dallas hasn't scored a single point in the 1st quarter dating back to the Bucs game in December, but it's certainly an alarming trend.