Cowboys break 1/23

[jjktkk]

The Stealers really sent a message with their handling of the rapist

Funny how that works, unfortunately.

 

[Oh_Canada]

The Stealers really sent a message with their handling of the rapist

Yup or Alameda Ta'amu whom they brought back after his arrest for DUI which included hitting several cars and resisting arrest to boot.

How many times did James Harrison get arrested. I think he's still on the team.

Hines Ward-DUI. Played one more year for I believe the Steelers before retiring.

Yeah, the Steelers are a MODEL franchise.

 

[jterrell]

Its stupid to cut free or Ratliff.

unless we have proven replacements.

Right now we do not. Free could bounce back and have a great year and since the team will be paying him a lot anyway, or at least in cap numbers...

I would rather he have a great bounce back year here instead of KC where who knows I bet andy reid would have interest.

same goes with Ratliff, the last thing we need is him cut and ending up in ny or philly and he has a bounce back year.

No, no, no.

This is, like most thing sin life, all about the money.

Doug Free was cut the day we signed Tyron Smith. We can't pay 8m a year to a RT. Especially not a bad RT.

We did replace Free just fine with Parnell. There were no penalties and no jail breaks. A far cry from the average Free game.

Ratliff has talent but he is in a tailspin apparently. Who is stupid enough to drive drunk a month after your back up has a drunk driving fatality? Who tries to fight 70 year old dudes?

The combined cap savings from Free and Ratliff this year make for tons of leeway. The draft is deep at both RT and DT. FA is always there to boost the team and it needs it whether we have Free and Ratliff or not.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

The combined cap savings from Free and Ratliff this year make for tons of leeway. The draft is deep at both RT and DT. FA is always there to boost the team and it needs it whether we have Free and Ratliff or not.

Well this is the only thing I have a problem with what you said. We can't go into the draft looking for a starting RT and DT, the draft just doesn't work like that and all that will do is end up with some reach.

These players can't be cut until at least the draft is over and we know what we got, and even then the drafted players could be a bust whereas we have just cut 2 players who have shown the ability to at least play at this level.

You just don't cut players with no replacements, it will never work consistently. At least when we got rid of Ellis we already had Spencer, but with all our other moves on the OL and such we had noone......and we are still paying for it......failing to plan ahead is planning to fail.

 

[big dog cowboy]

And they said on Talkin' Cowboys last week that Bill Callahan was pushing to get Jermey Parnell on the field long before it actually happened near the end of the season.

Bryan Broaddus also mentioned that Doug Free and most of the big money contract players have built in clauses allowing the team to convert large base salaries into signing bonuses in order to get salary cap relief.

Broaddus changed his tune from releasing Free to keeping Free because of that option.

The team did it last year because Free's base salary was already guaranteed.

His 2013 base salary ($7M) is not.

I don't see Dallas adding another $5.8M in guaranteed money (lower base salary to $1.2M and convert $5.8M into another signing bonus pro-rated at $1.45M per yr) to Free's contract in order to get some cap relief.

Will Free take a straight cut in base salary in order to remain with the team?

I doubt it.

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[theebs]

You've just made a case to never cut any player. Ever.

Could be.

But Ratliff is an above average player and he will cost us a lot of money here or not we should at least bring him to camp.

Guys get in trouble all the time and come back and play and. NO one cares.

Leonard little hit and killed a woman who was a rams seasons ticket holder and no one in st.louis cared, they ran him right back out there.

I just personally wouldn't be cutting these guys and paying them to succeed somewhere else. At the minimum wait til, you have in house replacements.

But let's be honest here, who knows when that could be.

 

[DBOY3141]

No, no, no.

This is, like most thing sin life, all about the money.

Doug Free was cut the day we signed Tyron Smith. We can't pay 8m a year to a RT. Especially not a bad RT.

We did replace Free just fine with Parnell. There were no penalties and no jail breaks. A far cry from the average Free game.

Ratliff has talent but he is in a tailspin apparently. Who is stupid enough to drive drunk a month after your back up has a drunk driving fatality? Who tries to fight 70 year old dudes?

The combined cap savings from Free and Ratliff this year make for tons of leeway. The draft is deep at both RT and DT. FA is always there to boost the team and it needs it whether we have Free and Ratliff or not.

They are football players, most are not know for their smarts. I don't get why fans want to hold NFL players to such high standards. They play a game, that 6 year olds can play. Most workplaces in this country an employee would not lose their job if they got a DWI, why should he?

 

[Boys122]

Cut Free and start Parnell, it's a win win.

 

[Boys122]

A lot are going to be disappointed when Free is kept.

I wouldn't be surprised because Jerry's an idiot.

 

[jterrell]

They are football players, most are not know for their smarts. I don't get why fans want to hold NFL players to such high standards. They play a game, that 6 year olds can play. Most workplaces in this country an employee would not lose their job if they got a DWI, why should he?

If one of my coworkers had been charged with manslaughter for driving drunk that would keep me from any dui for quite a while.

I came down as soft on Josh Brent because we are all human. But as humans we have brains; one Ratliff apparently forgot to use.

I love the plays Ratliff makes and realize he isn't a huge cap savings either. We will definitely miss him; but sometimes you have to send a message to the team that a: no one player is bigger than the team b: that there are severe consequences for stupid stuff.

this early in the off-season expect more bad news before any good. one way to stint that is to take drastic action with someone like ratliff where all the others players pay attention.

 

[jterrell]

He should. It beats the hell out of getting straight up cut and then getting nowhere close to the money he's scheduled to make this year.

He's in line to make 7M this year. He might be able to get that much at his new stop but only after the signing bonus. From there, he'd have base salaries that probably aren't half of what his base salaries are in Dallas.

He best possible play, in terms of money, is to renegotiate the deal all together into a lower number for at least this next season and then to go out there and earn the right to not have to do the same the following year. He concedes he's not worth the amount, takes way less and then shows the team he's worth his paycheck the following year and is allowed to continue to play.

Dallas' best play is to designate him and move on.

sigh... this isn't true AT ALL.

Free already got paid.

He has 7m this year. If he takes a real pay cut why would be want to tie himself to a longer deal for less money? His agent would be an idiot.

He'd be FAR better off taking a 1 or 2 year deal somewhere else.

Free can get a 3 or 4m deal for one year from any number of teams. He is avet starter who would be a huge luxury as a swing tackle for any team with ample cap space.

It is almost always easier to start over with a new contract. That is why there are so few actual pay reductions now.

There is a ton of money available in free agency. So many teams are well under the cap. Expect a lot of spare guys to get vastly overpaid.

 

[DBOY3141]

If one of my coworkers had been charged with manslaughter for driving drunk that would keep me from any dui for quite a while.

I came down as soft on Josh Brent because we are all human. But as humans we have brains; one Ratliff apparently forgot to use.

I love the plays Ratliff makes and realize he isn't a huge cap savings either. We will definitely miss him; but sometimes you have to send a message to the team that a: no one player is bigger than the team b: that there are severe consequences for stupid stuff.

this early in the off-season expect more bad news before any good. one way to stint that is to take drastic action with someone like ratliff where all the others players pay attention.

Do you really believe that cutting Ratliff would send a message? I'm sure there will be more Steelers in trouble even though Rainey was cut. Just like in society, messages are not received by people. If so, then there would be no murder and no crime at all.

If Ratliff can no longer play, then cut him, the DWI was stupid, but it won't be the last time an athlete or a person does something stupid. Sending messages does not work, especially in the NFL. How many players has Goodell suspended and fined, yet every week or every off-season, the same blotter report reads the same, just with different names.

 

[jterrell]

Do you really believe that cutting Ratliff would send a message? I'm sure there will be more Steelers in trouble even though Rainey was cut. Just like in society, messages are not received by people. If so, then there would be no murder and no crime at all.

If Ratliff can no longer play, then cut him, the DWI was stupid, but it won't be the last time an athlete or a person does something stupid. Sending messages does not work, especially in the NFL. How many players has Goodell suspended and fined, yet every week or every off-season, the same blotter report reads the same, just with different names.

Yes, messages are received. You set an example/rule/law and people learn different behaviors. This isn't even in question it is proven fact studied millions of times.

Rainey was cut largely because other guys who were better players made mistakes and weren't. See Raperburger. So it was time for the Steelers to send a message.

They also probably dislike missing the playoffs. Sometimes you need to set a tone that this is a year round business and it is not time to jump in a sandbox.

We've heard countless players say they really feared Jimmy.
They knew what he expected on the field and they delivered because the contrary of that was to get cut and need to get a ride back home from wherever he left you.

Ratliff is a huge distraction that missed large chunks of the season and threatened the owner. The defensive captain said he is moody and inconsistent. He needs to be cut.