Video: Cowboys Break: Done Enough At WR & TE?

[jobberone]

Cowboys Break: Done Enough At WR & TE?
The Break discusses the receivers and tight ends heading into OTAs.Watch

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[Irvin88_4life]

Didn't listen to the audio but my thoughts are doesn't matter what TE we get as long as Witten is on the team. Hanna will get his plays but even with Escobar they didn't get them involved. Adding Rico and we still have Swaimi don't see how it matters.

At WR.....wouldn't have minded another WR but like our draft. That being said Williams and Beasley play better with Romo throwing and with Dez healthy and an elite run game will open up the passing game. Can't wait to see Butler and Romo

 

[rockj7]

Cowboys Break: Done Enough At WR & TE?
The Break discusses the receivers and tight ends heading into OTAs.Watch

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The Break discusses the receivers and tight ends heading into OTAs.Watch

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Jobberone when they talked about Street and how he posted on instagram how he doesn't care about what people say about him cause blah blah blah. When Bryan B responded and said we don't need the FDR speech just go out and perform try not too drop passes run the correct routes dont fumble or get the ball taken from you When BBsaid that I lol it was too funny

 

[RS12]

They have bodies at WR, not sure about the quality.

 

[Idgit]

I've wanted a speed WR here for years, and thought for sure we were going to take Listenbee with that first 6th rounder. I'd like to have added a WR who might legitimately push Street off the roster. But our WR group is really pretty good. People are getting carried away and painting these WRs with the QB problems last year, but the problem was not with the receivers.

TEs, we did enough because there wasn't much to do. We took a hit losing Escobar, but covered for it with the Hanna extension (I think the plan was to let Hanna go this offseason, which is why we moved up to get Swaim a year early so that he'd know the protections to be TE3 this season). Gathers is a long shot who happens to play TE.

 

[visionary]

We're set at TE and WR

 

[big dog cowboy]

At TE is depends on Escobar. At WR is depends on Butler. The rest we know about.

 

[Idgit]

At TE is depends on Escobar. At WR is depends on Butler. The rest we know about.

There was a video floating around of all the Cowboys offensive plays over 20 yards last season. It was very short and that was depressing, but I was surprised to see just how many of the plays Butler was involved in. If he can stay healthy and focussed, he's my sleeper pick for a big year with Romo throwing to him. And of course, he's an UFA in 2017.

He's also getting the Dez reps in OTAs, if that means anything at all. It probably doesn't.

Escobar's an interesting one. He got hurt so badly, so late in the season. I expect him to be a non-factor. I doubt we put Gathers on the street if he shows anything at all, but I also doubt he passes Swaim on the roster after one training camp, especially because I can't see trusting him with blocking assignments as the TE3. So do they keep 4 TEs and 3 QBs going into the season? Who gets cut when Escobar gets back? Or does the Hanna re-signing mean Escobar likely gets cut (since they probably won't match market rate to resign him if Witten is still going) and they just keep him right now because they can shelve him with his injury and have him as an option of somebody else gets hurt?

The more I think about it, Gathers somehow pushing Swaim off the roster is probably the best thing that could happen. Or else we're going to have to try to sneak him onto the PS at some point, which would be dicey. If you're going to take the risk on a big-time developmental player, you need to have a spot on the roster to give him time to develop, and we kind of don't have it right now.

 

[HellCrowe]

Achilles injuries are no joke. I'm fully expecting Gavin to not be a factor and placed automatically in IR. As for Gathers, I think if he makes the team, we need to find room to stash him on the 53 man. Reason I say that is soemone will snatched him from our PS based on potential alone. Now if Escobar goes on IR it bodes well for Gathers. Witten, Hanna, Swaim all make it. He just has to show enough to beat out the other TEs. As of right now his main competition may be that Wisconsin Kid who I'm looking forward to getting chances at FB.

 

[erod]

Watch Tony turn Brice Butler into Laurent Robinson.

 

[Idgit]

...As of right now his main competition may be that Wisconsin Kid who I'm looking forward to getting chances at FB.

Ooh. Forgot about that guy, too. He intrigues me, too. Maybe we keep 6 TEs. If any of them can play QB, we could line up just them and the linemen and see what happens.

 

[Idgit]

Watch Tony turn Brice Butler into Laurent Robinson.

I actually think this might happen. Or Williams has a huge year, since he's also in a contract year. Or both, I guess.

 

[Future]

Achilles injuries are no joke. I'm fully expecting Gavin to not be a factor and placed automatically in IR. As for Gathers, I think if he makes the team, we need to find room to stash him on the 53 man. Reason I say that is soemone will snatched him from our PS based on potential alone. Now if Escobar goes on IR it bodes well for Gathers. Witten, Hanna, Swaim all make it. He just has to show enough to beat out the other TEs. As of right now his main competition may be that Wisconsin Kid who I'm looking forward to getting chances at FB.

Esco was already going through some work in OTAs. You can recover from an achilles and be competitive 6 months after surgery, I don't think it's a given Esco is going to start on PUP.

He had surgery on Dec 22. The 6 month mark after that is June 22. Training camp doesn't start until July 28th, which would be 7+ months. Week one isn't until September 11th, which is almost 9 months. I don't think it's a given that he won't be ready for TC, but it's certainly not a given that he won't be ready for week 1.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Ooh. Forgot about that guy, too. He intrigues me, too. Maybe we keep 6 TEs. If any of them can play QB, we could line up just them and the linemen and see what happens.

I think Traylor is the one to watch. He can block and has receiving ability.

 

[HellCrowe]

Esco was already going through some work in OTAs. You can recover from an achilles and be competitive 6 months after surgery, I don't think it's a given Esco is going to start on PUP.

He had surgery on Dec 22. The 6 month mark after that is June 22. Training camp doesn't start until July 28th, which would be 7+ months. Week one isn't until September 11th, which is almost 9 months. I don't think it's a given that he won't be ready for TC, but it's certainly not a given that he won't be ready for week 1.

Everyone heals differently and if he heals and is on schedule then good for him and us. However, it takes a spot from Gathers or another player. Now, Idk if they are worth it so I'll reevaluate my opinions come the end of the training camp but maybe you start Gavin on PUP to give him extra time to recover and keep one of our pet cats.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think we are ok at both positions also.
People over use and wear out about TWill and the body catching thing....all I remember is he does Coke up big at times when Tony is in there....this stuff about he should have shown he can be a top WR last year...bull rap too, no one could have stepped up last year with our backup QB play...

Brown or Jomes, I hope shows something and can push for Street's spot. But other than that we are fine.

Traylor is the TE from Wisconsin, and he lined up and did some blocking as well there. In an OTA video he has the size and looked good going down field catching passes in a crowd. He and Gathers, can push for a spot, but I want to see it in TC, not just a few OTA plays. But it all depends on how many they decide to keep, which if effected on the number at RB as well as WR too.
And how Escobar recovers and his time frame on doing so. Right now, I say they are both PS guys until proven otherwise. Swaim too, but he was kept on the roster last year with limited plays. So they must think something there.

Dez, TWill, Butler, Beasley...then Street, Brown, Jones, or a surprise player if they keep 6. Whitehead being the top guy for the 5th WR.
Witten, Hanna, Swaim unless they keep 4.

 

[jobberone]

Ooh. Forgot about that guy, too. He intrigues me, too. Maybe we keep 6 TEs. If any of them can play QB, we could line up just them and the linemen and see what happens.

LOL.

 

[jazzcat22]

Esco was already going through some work in OTAs. You can recover from an achilles and be competitive 6 months after surgery, I don't think it's a given Esco is going to start on PUP.

He had surgery on Dec 22. The 6 month mark after that is June 22. Training camp doesn't start until July 28th, which would be 7+ months. Week one isn't until September 11th, which is almost 9 months. I don't think it's a given that he won't be ready for TC, but it's certainly not a given that he won't be ready for week 1.

Good info. Yes it is not a 12 month recovery anymore. Ised to be a good 12 months plus for complete recovery. But better techniques now.

 

[Future]

Everyone heals differently and if he heals and is on schedule then good for him and us. However, it takes a spot from Gathers or another player. Now, Idk if they are worth it so I'll reevaluate my opinions come the end of the training camp but maybe you start Gavin on PUP to give him extra time to recover and keep one of our pet cats.

Fair enough. I think it's more likely that Esco goes to PUP just for that reason, rather than the fact that he's still hurt. I don't think I like it, but I can see the rationale, especially since I don't think they're going to be able to get away with keeping Gathers on the Practice Squad.

Good info. Yes it is not a 12 month recovery anymore. Ised to be a good 12 months plus for complete recovery. But better techniques now.

Well, that depends on how you define recovery.. I just ruptured my achilles last June and had surgery at the end of the month and was playing basketball before Christmas, at like 5 and 1/2 months. However, I'm still not at full strength, and getting back to 100% is almost always a full year, even if you can play and compete long before that time.

 

[jobberone]

Escobar is the pivotal point at TE. If they think he can play this year they will PUP him. I think they still can put him on the IR designated to return provided he makes the 53. This is important as that pushes one player off the roster. He must then be on the IR for 6 weeks then another 21 day period before requiring activation or permanent IR. Again his health makes a huge difference as does others as there is only one roster spot per year for what is generally known as 'short term IR'.

If they think he can play this year then he goes to regular season PUP then they have a 5 week + another 21 days to put him on the active roster otherwise he stays on PUP the rest of the year. Either way he must sit out at least 6 weeks of the regular season if on the regular season PUP.

Right now we're in the dark and likely no one really knows what to do.

Info seems scant on him:

Rotoworld -
Cowboys TE Gavin Escobar (Achilles) is questionable for the start of the season.
Escobar is four months into his rehab after going down in Week 15. He'll miss all of OTAs and doesn’t have a set return timetable. Escobar is a candidate to open 2016 on reserve/PUP. Apr 13 - 7:12 PM

Witten is the lock at TE1 with Hanna likely a lock at TE2 esp if Gavin can't play. I'm guessing numbers force an early decision on Gavin to permanent IR but still premature there. Swaim will the TE3 and right now Gathers TE4 but that's too early as well.

At WR it appears Butler is the pivoting point for others. Williams and Dez are locks barring injury. If Butler is a 1-3 then he will bump someone off the roster. Since the Slot is a lock for Beasley that means Whitehead has to make the team as a gadget and STs player. Egan is another competitor there but likely going to the PS barring injury. That would only leave one spot open and this is, IMO, a make or break year for Williams. If he elevates then he's your 4 WR and if not then it will be player X and he's on another team. This looks like a good year for 6 WRs.

There's always room for a surprise or two forcing the staff's hand.