Cowboys Coincidence? Really Bad Playing on Grass

T-RO

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Dallas 2022 W-L

On A-Turf: 11-1
On Grass: 1-4

Upon seeing this, the first thing I asked myself was...since we play home games on turf, what if we just look at road games?

Road Games Only
On A-Turf: 3-0
On Grass: 1-4

Later I'll post the 2021 results for turf/grass.

I have a few possible explanations for this crazy disparity. But curious to hear your thoughts first.
 

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Dallas 2022 W-L

On A-Turf: 11-1
On Grass: 1-4

Upon seeing this, the first thing I asked myself was...since we play home games on turf, what if we just look at road games?

Road Games Only
On A-Turf: 3-0
On Grass: 1-4

Later I'll post the 2021 results for turf/grass.

I have a few possible explanations for this crazy disparity. But curious to hear your thoughts first.
Although not as extreme as the Raiders, the Cowboys like quick and maneuverable players. Grass gives harder cuts and longer cleats.
 

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Dallas 2022 W-L

On A-Turf: 11-1
On Grass: 1-4

Upon seeing this, the first thing I asked myself was...since we play home games on turf, what if we just look at road games?

Road Games Only
On A-Turf: 3-0
On Grass: 1-4

Later I'll post the 2021 results for turf/grass.

I have a few possible explanations for this crazy disparity. But curious to hear your thoughts first.
I would have thought Dallas players are on grass for all 17 games.
 

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Off the top of my head:

Week 1 their offense was a mess in Tampa. Dennis Houston was our #3...
At Eagles, no surprise with Rush playing/how good they were
Green Bay. Cursed there. Another winnable game they let slip through.
Jacksonville was a winnable game but nice team collapse
Washington IMO was a team that was checked out looking at the postseason.

Thought I saw something on advanced stats for defensive players speeds/EPA on grass and maybe there is something to it. But at least two of those games they should of won but the team(offense, defense, ST) let them down.
 

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How many games on grass this year...I mean how many they play on physical grass on the ground to clarify my question. :muttley:
 

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I mean it depends…who are they playing on grass? Are they playing bad teams or good teams to be 1-4? I’m going to guess there’s some good teams in there.
 

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Sucks nobody preps these players for the field! Then you see us in the game slipping and falling every other play
 

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Off the top of my head:

Week 1 their offense was a mess in Tampa. Dennis Houston was our #3...
At Eagles, no surprise with Rush playing/how good they were
Green Bay. Cursed there. Another winnable game they let slip through.
Jacksonville was a winnable game but nice team collapse
Washington IMO was a team that was checked out looking at the postseason.

Thought I saw something on advanced stats for defensive players speeds/EPA on grass and maybe there is something to it. But at least two of those games they should have won but the team(offense, defense, ST) let them down.
Week one was home.

You’re thinking of the year before. Seasons begin to mesh together after a while lol.
 

blueblood70

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Dallas 2022 W-L

On A-Turf: 11-1
On Grass: 1-4

Upon seeing this, the first thing I asked myself was...since we play home games on turf, what if we just look at road games?

Road Games Only
On A-Turf: 3-0
On Grass: 1-4

Later I'll post the 2021 results for turf/grass.

I have a few possible explanations for this crazy disparity. But curious to hear your thoughts first.
dont forget that 2 of those games we blew 14 point and 17 point 4th qtr leads and lost in OT. How did we get such big leads on the road if grass bothered them?? I dont think the grass had anything to do with it. but those should have been wins also destroyed TB in the playoffs on grass. these are road games plus add in the level of talent on the teams we met for those records, that more the reason for the records to be skewed IMO need to see those teams records and the situations. not buying we are bad on the road because its grass, other factors led to the losses.
 

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Off the top of my head:

Week 1 their offense was a mess in Tampa. Dennis Houston was our #3...
At Eagles, no surprise with Rush playing/how good they were
Green Bay. Cursed there. Another winnable game they let slip through.
Jacksonville was a winnable game but nice team collapse
Washington IMO was a team that was checked out looking at the postseason.

Thought I saw something on advanced stats for defensive players speeds/EPA on grass and maybe there is something to it. But at least two of those games they should of won but the team(offense, defense, ST) let them down.
100%! :hammer:

situations and context is needed, Like I sad in my reply. just using records on grass vs turf doesn't move the needle for me.
 

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Dome Theory

Dallas in an open air stadium: 5 Super Bowl rings. Dallas after moving to a dome: whatever this era will be remembered as.

Teams that play in domes are built in perfect conditions. They’re not designed to handle situations that require grit, resiliency, “suck it up” mentality. It’s a huge barrier to succeeding outside of the regular season. We can go down the list of all the dome teams and it’s always the same story:

Indianapolis: maybe the worst NFL legacy over the last 60 years outside of that stretch with a top 3 alltime QB. Peyton saved them(momentarily) from being viewed as the Cardinals and the Lions are in the SB era. And even during the Manning era they were synonymous with not getting it done in the playoffs.

New Orleans: Just like Indy, they were a legendary QB’s era away from being viewed as maybe the worst franchise in the NFL. They were horrid before Drew, and don’t look like anything’s fixed after. And also like Indy, they had little to show for their wonder years. 1 single ring and a lot of playoff disappointments against inferior opponents.

Atlanta: A couple big Matt Ryan years away from being, yet again, one of the worst franchises in football. Still, like Manning and Brees, a lot more playoff failures for Ryan than successes.

Detroit: One of the worst franchises in football. When they do make the playoffs they quickly exit.

Arizona: See Detroit

Minnesota: Basically Dallas’ 28 year drought personified as an entire 70 year existence. Lots of great regular seasons, crumble the moment they play outdoors in the playoffs against a good team.

Houston: See Arizona

LA Rams: Not too dissimilar to Indy/NO. Complete scorched Earth for a number of years, a few great years with a HoF QB in 99-01, then completely bottoming out for 16 years, then the current Mcvay era bucking the trend… but they may already be over as well. This is the “resounding success” of dome teams. More than one era of SB relevancy, even though both were incredibly short and far between.

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Who are the outdoor teams that have to battle the temperature variables, the irregular stadium lighting, bugs, mud, the inclimate weather?

NYG, GB, NE, PHI, SEA, BAL, PIT, TB, DEN, KC, WAS, SF… teams that have built reputations on going into the playoffs and beating the snot out of dome teams. Think about the true “contenders” today. They’re either on this list or Buffalo, Cincinnati, NYJ, Jax. All open air stadiums. Dallas is the only dome team with reasonable odds to make the SB. That’s not an aberration, it’s the norm.

And yeah, there are open air teams that suck, it’s not a sure fire way to be relevant. But it is one of the major ingredients. Chicago is making a terrible football mistake with their new stadium plans.

TL;DR Find a once-ever QB or you’re probably not going far in January if you’re a dome team.
 
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Dome Theory

Dallas in an open air stadium: 5 Super Bowl rings. Dallas after moving to a dome: whatever this era will be remembered as.

Teams that play in domes are built in perfect conditions. They’re not designed to handle situations that require grit, resiliency, “suck it up” mentality. It’s a huge barrier to succeeding outside of the regular season. We can go down the list of all the dome teams and it’s always the same story:

Indianapolis: maybe the worst NFL legacy over the last 60 years outside of that stretch with a top 3 alltime QB. Peyton saved them(momentarily) from being viewed as the Cardinals and the Lions are in the SB era. And even during the Manning era they were synonymous with not getting it done in the playoffs.

New Orleans: Just like Indy, they were a legendary QB’s era away from being viewed as maybe the worst franchise in the NFL. They were horrid before Drew, and don’t look like anything’s fixed after. And also like Indy, they had little to show for their wonder years. 1 single ring and a lot of playoff disappointments against inferior opponents.

Atlanta: A couple big Matt Ryan years away from being, yet again, one of the worst franchises in football. Still, like Manning and Brees, a lot more playoff failures for Ryan than successes.

Detroit: One of the worst franchises in football. When they do make the playoffs they quickly exit.

Arizona: See Detroit

Minnesota: Basically Dallas’ 28 year drought personified as an entire 70 year existence. Lots of great regular seasons, crumble the moment they play outdoors in the playoffs against a good team.

Houston: See Arizona

LA Rams: Not too dissimilar to Indy/NO. Complete scorched Earth for a number of years, a few great years with a HoF QB in 99-01, then completely bottoming out for 16 years, then the current Mcvay era bucking the trend… but they may already be over as well. This is the “resounding success” of dome teams. More than one era of SB relevancy, even though both were incredibly short and far between.

—————————————

Who are the outdoor teams that have to battle the temperature variables, the irregular stadium lighting, bugs, mud, the inclimate weather?

NYG, GB, NE, PHI, SEA, BAL, PIT, TB, DEN, KC, WAS, SF… teams that have built reputations on going into the playoffs and beating the snot out of dome teams. Think about the true “contenders” today. They’re either on this list or Buffalo, Cincinnati, NYJ, Jax. All open air stadiums. Dallas is the only dome team with reasonable odds to make the SB. That’s not an aberration, it’s the norm.

And yeah, there are open air teams that suck, it’s not a sure fire way to be relevant. But it is one of the major ingredients. Chicago is making a terrible football mistake with their new stadium plans.

TL;DR Find a once-ever QB or you’re probably not going far in January if you’re a dome team.
good point, it affects the mentality of the teams !
but the owners like domes as they hold more people, which = more $ for them with home games.

So somebody should tell jerry to convert his wonder dome into a open air stadium so he can have a tougher team more likely to win a SB !
no way he would even consider that.
 
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