Cowboys Coincidence? Really Bad Playing on Grass

[817Gill]

Beat the crap out of Tampa in the WC round on grass. Lost in OT to Jax and GB. Lost close to Philly with Rush starting.

When considering the context of the games they lost, I don’t see any reason to fall into the idea that grass has any affect on this team.

Could’ve easily been 3-2 in grass games, our physical performances were fine. We lost those games due to situational football and late game mental errors.

 

[blueblood70]

good point, it affects the mentality of the teams !
but the owners like domes as they hold more people, which = more $ for them with home games.

So somebody should tell jerry to convert his wonder dome into a open air stadium so he can have a tougher team more likely to win a SB !
no way he would even consider that.

domes dont hold more people, it keeps weather out of it which attracts more fans, need proof?? many big-time college stadiums hold as many or more fans than most nfl teams domes and they are almost all open stadiums. Its a choice for NFL owners trying to make it more comfy for fans, need an example the Texas Rangers old ballpark open outdoor held more fans, they moved to dome with less seats but weather need huge factor super hot during most of the baseball season. now no rainouts

 

[blueblood70]

Beat the crap out of Tampa in the WC round on grass. Lost in OT to Jax and GB. Lost close to Philly with Rush starting.

When considering the context of the games they lost, I don’t see any reason to fall into the idea that grass has an affect on this team.

Could’ve easily been 3-2 in grass games, our physical performances were fine. We lost those games due to situational football and late game mental errors.

 

[INCowboysFan]

Dome Theory

Dallas in an open air stadium: 5 Super Bowl rings. Dallas after moving to a dome: whatever this era will be remembered as.

Teams that play in domes are built in perfect conditions. They’re not designed to handle situations that require grit, resiliency, “suck it up” mentality. It’s a huge barrier to succeeding outside of the regular season. We can go down the list of all the dome teams and it’s always the same story:

Indianapolis: maybe the worst NFL legacy over the last 60 years outside of that stretch with a top 3 alltime QB. Peyton saved them(momentarily) from being viewed as the Cardinals and the Lions are in the SB era. And even during the Manning era they were synonymous with not getting it done in the playoffs.

New Orleans: Just like Indy, they were a legendary QB’s era away from being viewed as maybe the worst franchise in the NFL. They were horrid before Drew, and don’t look like anything’s fixed after. And also like Indy, they had little to show for their wonder years. 1 single ring and a lot of playoff disappointments against inferior opponents.

Atlanta: A couple big Matt Ryan years away from being, yet again, one of the worst franchises in football. Still, like Manning and Brees, a lot more playoff failures for Ryan than successes.

Detroit: One of the worst franchises in football. When they do make the playoffs they quickly exit.

Arizona: See Detroit

Minnesota: Basically Dallas’ 28 year drought personified as an entire 70 year existence. Lots of great regular seasons, crumble the moment they play outdoors in the playoffs against a good team.

Houston: See Arizona

LA Rams: Not too dissimilar to Indy/NO. Complete scorched Earth for a number of years, a few great years with a HoF QB in 99-01, then completely bottoming out for 16 years, then the current Mcvay era bucking the trend… but they may already be over as well. This is the “resounding success” of dome teams. More than one era of SB relevancy, even though both were incredibly short and far between.

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Who are the outdoor teams that have to battle the temperature variables, the irregular stadium lighting, bugs, mud, the inclimate weather?

NYG, GB, NE, PHI, SEA, BAL, PIT, TB, DEN, KC, WAS, SF… teams that have built reputations on going into the playoffs and beating the snot out of dome teams. Think about the true “contenders” today. They’re either on this list or Buffalo, Cincinnati, NYJ, Jax. All open air stadiums. Dallas is the only dome team with reasonable odds to make the SB. That’s not an aberration, it’s the norm.

And yeah, there are open air teams that suck, it’s not a sure fire way to be relevant. But it is one of the major ingredients. Chicago is making a terrible football mistake with their new stadium plans.

TL;DR Find a once-ever QB or you’re probably not going far in January if you’re a dome team.

The colts were a bad team from the late 70's basically until Manning arrived. After their superbowl victory over Dallas, they stunk in an open air stadium in Baltimore and then continued to stink in a dome until Manning/Dungy era. I don't think the dome had anything to do with it.

New Orleans is maybe the worst franchise in NFL history, dome or not.

Detroit. Again, strong contender for worst franchise in NFL history. Dome doesn't have anything to do with it.

Arizona. Same as the two previously mentioned

Minnesota. 4x superbowl participant and one of the teams of the 70's. Mediocre in the 80's, had some really good teams in the 90's and 00's and up to today. Don't think their playoff losses had much to do with playing outdoors

Houston, just bad

Rams. Streaky. Some really good years, super bowl wins and some really bad times. Stadium has nothing to do with it.

 

[blueblood70]

The colts were a bad team from the late 70's basically until Manning arrived. After their superbowl victory over Dallas, they stunk in an open air stadium in Baltimore and then continued to stink in a dome until Manning/Dungy era. I don't think the dome had anything to do with it.

New Orleans is maybe the worst franchise in NFL history, dome or not.

Detroit. Again, strong contender for worst franchise in NFL history. Dome doesn't have anything to do with it.

Arizona. Same as the two previously mentioned

Minnesota. 4x superbowl participant and one of the teams of the 70's. Mediocre in the 80's, had some really good teams in the 90's and 00's and up to today. Don't think their playoff losses had much to do with playing outdoors

Houston, just bad

Rams. Streaky. Some really good years, super bowl wins and some really bad times. Stadium has nothing to do with it.

I don't remember the stat but I believe the Cowboys first four years at AT&T they were struggling to win at home but they were really good on the road.

so yeah all this talk about the turf indoors versus outdoors I'm not buying it we've seen from both sides it's more than just the field that's affecting the games

 

[EGTuna]

Washington’s field shouldn’t be considered grass. It’s gopher infested dirt and rocks with green paint. Hopefully the new ownership invests more $ in the field that hysterical law suits.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

The colts were a bad team from the late 70's basically until Manning arrived. After their superbowl victory over Dallas, they stunk in an open air stadium in Baltimore and then continued to stink in a dome until Manning/Dungy era. I don't think the dome had anything to do with it.

New Orleans is maybe the worst franchise in NFL history, dome or not.

Detroit. Again, strong contender for worst franchise in NFL history. Dome doesn't have anything to do with it.

Arizona. Same as the two previously mentioned

Minnesota. 4x superbowl participant and one of the teams of the 70's. Mediocre in the 80's, had some really good teams in the 90's and 00's and up to today. Don't think their playoff losses had much to do with playing outdoors

Houston, just bad

Rams. Streaky. Some really good years, super bowl wins and some really bad times. Stadium has nothing to do with it.

You can make excuses for every team in the nfl, but in the end every prolonged contender/championship run was made by teams with outdoor stadiums, and most commonly cold weather ones at that. There is a correlation there, when the dome team has to battle more than opposing fans

 

[DandyDon52]

domes dont hold more people, it keeps weather out of it which attracts more fans, need proof?? many big-time college stadiums hold as many or more fans than most nfl teams domes and they are almost all open stadiums. Its a choice for NFL owners trying to make it more comfy for fans, need an example the Texas Rangers old ballpark open outdoor held more fans, they moved to dome with less seats but weather need huge factor super hot during most of the baseball season. now no rainouts

it still comes down to whatever makes the most $.
Jerry built a stadium that people pay to just go on a tour in it!
worlds biggest tv at the time etc.

you make good point about heat cold and rain, could negate having more seats in open air.

Most of what the owners do pertains to making the most $, not player safety, (like type of turf) or what fans will like the most.
And with domes they are going for the upper class fans, who will pay more for seats, concessions, memorabilia etc.

 

[Hoofbite]

They won at the Giants and the Titans, didn't they?

 

[T-RO]

Here's Dallas W-L in 2021:

-Artificial Turf....11-2
-Grass................2-2

 

[T-RO]

They won at the Giants and the Titans, didn't they?

Giants = Turf
Titans = Grass

 

[JustChip]

I would have thought Dallas players are on grass for all 17 games.

Not since Randy Gregory left.

 

[T-RO]

You can make excuses for every team in the nfl, but in the end every prolonged contender/championship run was made by teams with outdoor stadiums, and most commonly cold weather ones at that. There is a correlation there, when the dome team has to battle more than opposing fans

Interesting theory. Perhaps something to it.

Pats were outdoor team of course.

More recently top teams: 49ers, Chiefs, Bucs, Eagles...all outdoor teams.

 

[Hoofbite]

Giants = Turf
Titans = Grass

Ahh, I didn't know they were running turf in NY.

 

[T-RO]

How did we get such big leads on the road if grass bothered them??

Our offense wasn't bad in either the GB grass game or the Jags grass game. Defense was way off its normal quality. Gave up over 30 to both.

I dont think the grass had anything to do with it.

Maybe it's a coincidence. Maybe not.

 

[SFloridaCowboy]

Hey guys, this year, Christmas Eve 4:25 p.m., it will be a Cowboys' fans party down in Miami on natural grass. Show up in big numbers.

 

[T-RO]

Hey guys, this year, Christmas Eve 4:25 p.m., it will be a Cowboys' fans party down in Miami on natural grass. Show up in big numbers.

Spicy!

 

[Captain-Crash]

how hard could it be to grow grass in a climate control environment?

 

[Motorola]

5 games in 2023 on grass.

1) Sept 24 (early afternoon start) @ Cardinals, State Farm Stadium- Bermuda Grass

2) Oct 8 (evening start time) @ 49ers, Levi's Stadium- Bermuda Grass and Perennial Rye Grass

3) Nov 5 (late afternoon start) @ Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field - Desso GrassMaster

4) Sun Dec 24 (late afternoon start) @ Dolphins, Hard Rock Stadium - Bermuda Grass

5) Sun Jan 7 (start time TBD) @ Commanders, FedEx Field - Bermuda Grass

 

[blueblood70]

it still comes down to whatever makes the most $.
Jerry built a stadium that people pay to just go on a tour in it!
worlds biggest tv at the time etc.

you make good point about heat cold and rain, could negate having more seats in open air.

Most of what the owners do pertains to making the most $, not player safety, (like type of turf) or what fans will like the most.
And with domes they are going for the upper class fans, who will pay more for seats, concessions, memorabilia etc.

so did 10 other teams and more coming..

And by the way I live in Arlington, I remember when we had to vote for this, Jerry does not own the stadium, the city of Arlington owns the stadium, he leases it back... this was a group who decided on this but it's odd that there's ten other closed stadiums and more coming and yet it's just Jerrys building something that's going to make the biggest money,

no that's his job by the way the stadium is really nice outside the glass. you do realize the roof can open LOL its not the old astrodome oh wait the astrodome and the saints superdome were around LONG before jerry owned the cowboys.


Good try though. You act like Jerry invented the Dome and then everybody else caught on no there were others before him.

I'm sorry but you're wrong,

I already said you were wrong but you don't want to admit it, I see college games that have 100,000 people in open stadiums & have more capacity than NFL teams have indoor or outdoor. but shows capacity was NOT why they did it.