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Deputy493;1279062 said:
you can argue ifs and buts all day long, the fact is Merriman has been a lot more consistent and a much better playmaker than Ware........those are the cold hard facts, but keep giving excuses if it makes you feel better about the pick.

Ware is a very good player, but thus far he has not been as good as Merriman, that is a simple fact.

I'm happy to see I'm not alone in that debate.
I agree with you.

Oh as for the draft,stay away from LSU players.
 

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Deputy493;1279110 said:
Actually I hear nothing but blah, blah, blah homerism from you........I have presented facts, you have presented nothing but what ifs.

Wade Phillips >>>> Mike Zimmer

what facts have you presented exactly? that Merriman has more sacks? so what...look at how he's used...look at how many plays he does nothing other than rush the QB...Ware doesnt rush the passer every play...look at the blitz designs San Diego uses, I can probably count on one hand how many times we've seen a Cowboy player unblocked to the QB ALL SEASON, however you watch a San Diego game and it happens multiple times per game

they lost their best pass rusher before the season ever started, and they still rolled up a huge number of sacks without him (Foley)...they replaced him with a middle rd pick backup, and the guy produced double digit sacks himself

David
 

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dbair1967;1279125 said:
Wade Phillips >>>> Mike Zimmer

what facts have you presented exactly? that Merriman has more sacks? so what...


yeah sacks and production and taking over games defensively on a consistent basis are way overrated, lol

Nice comeback.

The only thing you said in that post that I agree with is Wade Phillips is > than Zimmer, but thanks for pointing out the obvious there.
 

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It all comes down to what we do with the coaches and then in FA. No way you can tell who we might want in the draft at this time.
 

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Taking over a game- DWare has done that a couple of times. Merriman- that I question. SOme here seem to forget that a LB has to do more then rush the passer. DWares stats in everything except sacks are better then Merrimans. And can anyone seriously say that Dware is in as good a system, with as good support as Merriman?
 

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ELDudearino;1278735 said:
We need a 1st or 2nd round Corner and Nose Guard, Then we need O-line, the only guy good right now is Colombo....
An early corner is a must, but we're not going to take an interior lineman early in the draft.

If Greg doens't look like he'll come back (or like he won't ever up to 100%) we have to get a pass-rusher opposite Ware. There are several good DEs/Tweeners around that area late in the first round.
 

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Deputy493;1279132 said:
yeah sacks and production and taking over games defensively on a consistent basis are way overrated, lol

Nice comeback.

The only thing you said in that post that I agree with is Wade Phillips is > than Zimmer, but thanks for pointing out the obvious there.

when has Merriman ever "taken over a game"....I've never seen it...and in this day and age I dont think any defensive players are capable of taking over a game on their own anymore...LT did it in the 80's...Reggie White did some......teams had to block Randy White with 3 guys when he was really dominant...other than them, not many guys "take over games"

Ware's production will improve with better coaching...Jimmy Johnson and Charles Haley have both recently alluded to the fact they think Ware is mus-used, and they are right...when the guy rushes the passer 90% or more of the time, his numbers will really stand out

David
 

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You use DWare the same way as Merriman and he will break Strahans sack record legitimately (the QB won't need to lie down for the last one).
 

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dbair1967;1279208 said:
when has Merriman ever "taken over a game"....I've never seen it...and in this day and age I dont think any defensive players are capable of taking over a game on their own anymore...LT did it in the 80's...Reggie White did some......teams had to block Randy White with 3 guys when he was really dominant...other than them, not many guys "take over games"

Ware's production will improve with better coaching...Jimmy Johnson and Charles Haley have both recently alluded to the fact they think Ware is mus-used, and they are right...when the guy rushes the passer 90% or more of the time, his numbers will really stand out

David

Charles Haley as dline coach
 

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Something is very wrong if we don't take OL with our first two picks. That is by far the WORST area on the team and NEEDS to be upgraded immediately or Dallas will never go anywhere. Other than that, man, i'd SURE love to trade up somehow and get Calvin Johnson. I've been watching college football for 20 years and I don't think i've seen a WR as awesome as he is. He is going to destroy the NFL.
 

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The extensive list of needs we have indicates to me we had better keep TO for at least one more year. We need O-Line help in the worst way...an investment here seems a must to me regardless of what we do in FA.
 

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Yeagermeister;1279280 said:
Charles Haley as dline coach
And B. Cox as LB coach. Two guys who kick the living S-word out of the players. Bring the "fear of God" into them.
 

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JPostSam;1279602 said:
from that group?

quentin moses.

Quentin moses sucks. He was all-everything and did NOTHING this year. He was outplayed by UGA's other DE, Charles Johnson. I want nothing to do with this bum.
 

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Deputy493;1278744 said:
I love how you call someone else a Texas homer, yet you have us taking a Fresno State player and every year you have Fresno Players going higher than they should........Hi pot, I'm kettle
:laugh2:
 

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Abiamiri or Dwayne Bowe in Round one....Ben Grubbs in two would be nice.
 

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DIAF;1279292 said:
Something is very wrong if we don't take OL with our first two picks. That is by far the WORST area on the team and NEEDS to be upgraded immediately or Dallas will never go anywhere. Other than that, man, i'd SURE love to trade up somehow and get Calvin Johnson. I've been watching college football for 20 years and I don't think i've seen a WR as awesome as he is. He is going to destroy the NFL.

My friend, you are DREAMING.

First of all, Johnson absolutely, positively, definitely does NOT go any lower than Miami at #9 and even then I would be BLOWN AWAY. I think he goes to Tampa Bay at #4. Galloway is their best receiver and he's 34 years old.

As for o-line, yes, Dallas desperately needs to upgrade, but even with the unit we have we scored at least 17 points in EVERY game but the last Philly game. What Dallas MUST do is correct the defensive problems.

I think if no coaching changes occur we will end up drafting either FS, DT or DE in the first few rounds.

That said, who knows what they'll do? Just when you think the player we desperately need falls in our laps we trade out for another TE or something.
 

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Shotgun Dave;1279853 said:
My friend, you are DREAMING.

First of all, Johnson absolutely, positively, definitely does NOT go any lower than Miami at #9 and even then I would be BLOWN AWAY. I think he goes to Tampa Bay at #4. Galloway is their best receiver and he's 34 years old.

As for o-line, yes, Dallas desperately needs to upgrade, but even with the unit we have we scored at least 17 points in EVERY game but the last Philly game. What Dallas MUST do is correct the defensive problems.

I think if no coaching changes occur we will end up drafting either FS, DT or DE in the first few rounds.

That said, who knows what they'll do? Just when you think the player we desperately need falls in our laps we trade out for another TE or something.


Right, which is why I said "somehow". I know that's very, super, very, extremely unlikely. I think that kid is a once in a generation talent at WR, though, and if there's a player to trade up for in the last 6 years or so, its him.

I think getting a real DC would do wonders for our defensive problems. We don't lack talent on that end, that's for sure.
 

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I think I'd like to see if we can sign one or two of Adalius Thomas, Nate Clements, and Lance Briggs, then address the OL with the 1st two picks of the draft.
 
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