Cowboys DT Position Expectations - 2019

[xwalker]

Expectations for the DT positions with regards to snaps count percentages.

I expect it to evolve into Collins and Hill as almost co-starters at 3-tech DT.
- The expectation is for Woods to start at 1-tech and Covington to be the 4th DT.


There are 3 basic ways they play the DTs.
1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).

The general expectation is something like:
(2 positions so it adds up to 200%)

• 1-tech: 60%
• 3-tech #1: 60%
• 3-tech #2: 60%
• 4th DT: 20%

Marinelli wants basically co-starters at 3-tech (2 starting caliber players).
- With a quality second 3-tech the numbers above would be the basic goal.
- In reality the starter is normally better and plays more.

This is from a game in 2018 where Crawford basically played all snaps at DE
- (He played a couple at at DT but I just lumped those into DT4 for simplicity).

Position ..... Snap% ........... Player
1T ............... 69% ............ Woods
3T-1 ............ 69% ............ Collins
3T-2 ............ 42% ............ Ross
DT4 ............ 20% ............ Reid

Position ..... Snap% ........... Player
RDE ............ 65% ............ Crawford
LDE ............ 57% ............ Lawrence
DE3 ............ 41% ............ Armstrong
DE4 ............ 37% ............ Charlton

 

[Teague31]

The talent increase is evident. Ross and Reid getting that many snaps says a lot

 

[Hennessy_King]

Ty craw getting more snaps than d law. Gotta love marinelli

 

[buybuydandavis]

1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).

The general expectation is something like:
(2 positions so it adds up to 200%)

• 1-tech: 60%
• 3-tech #1:60%
• 3-tech #2:60%
• 4th DT: 20%

1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
Woods + Collins
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
Collins at 1 tech, Crawford/Hill at 3tech
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).
Collins at 1 tech, Crawford/Hill at 3tech

• 1-tech: 60% Woods
• 3-tech #1:70% Collins
• 3-tech #2:50% Crawford
• 4th DT: 20% Hill

Hill probably takes his snaps from Collins on run downs, saving Collins and Crawford for pass downs.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Ty craw getting more snaps than d law. Gotta love marinelli

Crawford could play 2 positions we needed more help at. Pass rush DT and base RDE. I expect him mainly as a pass rushing DT this year.

 

[xwalker]

1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
Woods + Collins
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
Collins at 1 tech, Crawford/Hill at 3tech
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).
Collins at 1 tech, Crawford/Hill at 3tech

• 1-tech: 60% Woods
• 3-tech #1:70% Collins
• 3-tech #2:50% Crawford
• 4th DT: 20% Hill

Hill probably takes his snaps from Collins on run downs, saving Collins and Crawford for pass downs.

They drafted Hill because of his pass rushing ability.

If Collins & Hill are healthy and Crawford makes the 53, then Crawford likely plays primarily DE.

Crawford started 7 games at DE and 8 games at DT in 2018 (Collins missed a few games and was limited early in the season).

 

[Mr_437]

1 Tech: Woods
3 Tech: Collins
3Tech: Crawford/Covington
4 DT: Covington/Hill

 

[buybuydandavis]

They drafted Hill because of his pass rushing ability.

If Collins & Hill are healthy and Crawford makes the 53, then Crawford likely plays primarily DE.

Crawford started 7 games at DE and 8 games at DT in 2018 (Collins missed a few games and was limited early in the season).

Going by starts on Crawford is distorting because starts go off where you play on the first snap, not necessarily where you put in the most snaps. I think we often give "starts" for status purposes.

I think someone tracked down Crawford's sacks last year and they were all from DT. Given what we have, I think that's his primary value. He's probably still our best pass rushing DT. Then Collins. Hill may be a pass rusher, but they're still probably better at it.

Crawford was probably still our 2nd best base DE after Lawrence too. So he split time.

We've got a boatload of DEs this year. I expect Gregory back. Quinn. Lawrence. Then Taco, Hyder, others. I expect base DE is covered by the DEs, and Crawford plays primarily DT this year.

Doesn't look like the team has updated the depth chart this year yet. Just removed guys no longer on the team.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Crawford could play 2 positions we needed more help at. Pass rush DT and base RDE. I expect him mainly as a pass rushing DT this year.

Crawford is trash at de

 

[buybuydandavis]

Crawford is trash at de

I've never been a fan of Crawford at RDE, but for the base he was probably the best option last year. Gregory had to get back in football shape, and Taco is trashier than Crawford.

This year, though, I see lots of guys who should take over as the base RDE. Gregory, Quinn, Hyder, maybe Jackson.

 

[xwalker]

Going by starts on Crawford is distorting because starts go off where you play on the first snap, not necessarily where you put in the most snaps. I think we often give "starts" for status purposes.

I think someone tracked down Crawford's sacks last year and they were all from DT. Given what we have, I think that's his primary value. He's probably still our best pass rushing DT. Then Collins. Hill may be a pass rusher, but they're still probably better at it.

Crawford was probably still our 2nd best base DE after Lawrence too. So he split time.

We've got a boatload of DEs this year. I expect Gregory back. Quinn. Lawrence. Then Taco, Hyder, others. I expect base DE is covered by the DEs, and Crawford plays primarily DT this year.

Doesn't look like the team has updated the depth chart this year yet. Just removed guys no longer on the team.

I'm going by snap counts with Crawford.

There is not an analysis of his sacks that I"ve seen. I could look at his sacks to see.

Collins has been the best 3-tech DT when healthy and it's not really close based on studying the All-22 game footage. M.Collins is probably the most underrated player on the team.

They carry 4 DTs on game day. Collins and Hill will play 3-tech and Woods at 1-tech. That leaves 1 spot. Covington projects as an ideal 4th DT because he can play 1-tech but can also play 3-tech; whereas Woods is 1-tech only and Crawford can"t play 1-tech.

Crawford made all of his 14 starts in 2017 at DE then 7 more at DE in 2018. He was forced to play more at DT in 2018 because Collins missed some games and was limited the 1st half of the season.

Collins and Crawford were close on 10 yards times but Collins out weighed him by 36 pounds.

Hill had the same 10 yard time as Crawford and out weighed him by 30 pounds.

Stephen Jones repeated that a they wanted Hill because they wanted more size at DT without giving up quickness. Collins was 311 when drafted which means SJ was not referring to him with regards to replacing smaller players at DT.

I'm not certain that Crawford stays this year. Marinelli loves him but it costs 7M to keep him. He has been a starter for the past 5 years but does not project to start this year unless multiple injuries occur on the DL.

 

[Number1]

I expect it to evolve into Collins and Hill as almost co-starters at 3-tech DT.
- The expectation is for Woods to start at 1-tech and Covington to be the 4th DT.

agreed, but I still have to bet on Woods and Collins as the likely DT play makers

the probable game day 8 man rotation

DT, Collins, Woods, Hill
DE, Lawrence, Quinn, Charlton
DL, (swing) Crawford, Covington

does that = domination? no, deeper? yes

 

[xwalker]

agreed, but I still have to bet on Woods and Collins as the likely play makers

does that = domination? no, deeper? yes

Daniel Ross and Caraun Reid played significant snaps at DT in 2018.

Taco started 7 games at DE.

They have UDFAs this year better than Ross.

 

[darthseinfeld]

1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
Woods + Collins
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
Collins at 1 tech, Crawford/Hill at 3tech
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).
Collins at 1 tech, Crawford/Hill at 3tech

• 1-tech: 60% Woods
• 3-tech #1:70% Collins
• 3-tech #2:50% Crawford
• 4th DT: 20% Hill

Hill probably takes his snaps from Collins on run downs, saving Collins and Crawford for pass downs.

Hill is a much better pass rusher than run stopper at this point. He has the physical ability to play at both the 1 Tech and 3 Tech gaps with further development. But as a rookie run defense could be a problem with him on the field

 

[darthseinfeld]

Expectations for the DT positions with regards to snaps count percentages.

I expect it to evolve into Collins and Hill as almost co-starters at 3-tech DT.
- The expectation is for Woods to start at 1-tech and Covington to be the 4th DT.


There are 3 basic ways they play the DTs.
1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).

The general expectation is something like:
(2 positions so it adds up to 200%)

• 1-tech: 60%
• 3-tech #1: 60%
• 3-tech #2: 60%
• 4th DT: 20%

Marinelli wants basically co-starters at 3-tech (2 starting caliber players).
- With a quality second 3-tech the numbers above would be the basic goal.
- In reality the starter is normally better and plays more.

This is from a game in 2018 where Crawford basically played all snaps at DE
- (He played a couple at at DT but I just lumped those into DT4 for simplicity).

Position ..... Snap% ........... Player
1T ............... 69% ............ Woods
3T-1 ............ 69% ............ Collins
3T-2 ............ 42% ............ Ross
DT4 ............ 20% ............ Reid

Position ..... Snap% ........... Player
RDE ............ 65% ............ Crawford
LDE ............ 57% ............ Lawrence
DE3 ............ 41% ............ Armstrong
DE4 ............ 37% ............ Charlton

My big question is: Will Hill only play right now as a 3T in obvious downs, with Woods getting all reps when we use a 1T? Or will the play Collins at a 1T in more ambiguous down and distance with Hill at a 3T?

Another thing to consider is DE alignment as well. With a player that can play effectively at a 1T or 3T spot, it gives you options of where you are lining up your DE. Especially when you have a guy like Lawrence that can line up from the 6 to 9 gap on the strong side

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

People look at smallish running backs and ask, Can he handle the grind of a 16 game regular season?

A running back handles the ball 27 times a game. Our starting defensive line play 36 plays a game.

So the question is can our smallish defensive lineman handle the grind of a 16 game regular season? Because as the year goes on they tend to give up more and more rushing yards. And by the time playoffs roll around they're spent. To the point were they cant get pressure on a one legged Aaron Rodgers or stop a couch potato named C.J. Anderson.

So can our smallish defensive lineman hold up to the grind of a 16 regular season? Plus playoffs?




I EXPECT THEM TO FOLD... once again no matter the rotation.

 

[Johnny23]

People look at smallish running backs and ask, Can he handle the grind of a 16 game regular season?

A running back handles the ball 27 times a game. Our starting defensive line play 36 plays a game.

So the question is can our smallish defensive lineman handle the grind of a 16 game regular season? Because as the year goes on they tend to give up more and more rushing yards. And by the time playoffs roll around they're spent. To the point were they cant get pressure on a one legged Aaron Rodgers or stop a couch potato named C.J. Anderson.

So can our smallish defensive lineman hold up to the grind of a 16 regular season? Plus playoffs?




I EXPECT THEM TO FOLD... once again no matter the rotation.

Exactly they're going to fold up like a cheap suit. And I see the season ending live it has everytime Dallas has made the playoffs recently. We don't have game wrecking interior defensive line play. Having watched many UCF games over the past few years I don't think Trysten Hill is going to be that guy. I see him as another late second, early third round reach on DT like with Maliek Collins. Where we are forced to start rotational back ups at starter position because our brain trust doesn't value the defensive tackle position.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I really don't know what to expect from the whole dline tbh. For sure the biggest question going into the season for me

 

[CCBoy]

Nice additions about the defensive tackles, but with both Quinn and possibly Gregory at defensive end...well, Crawford could spend much more time inside at tackle as well.

 

[jterrell]

Expectations for the DT positions with regards to snaps count percentages.

I expect it to evolve into Collins and Hill as almost co-starters at 3-tech DT.
- The expectation is for Woods to start at 1-tech and Covington to be the 4th DT.


There are 3 basic ways they play the DTs.
1. A 1-tech and a 3-tech (expect run).
2. Two 3-tech type players with one playing 1-tech (expect pass but maybe run).
3. Two 3-tech type players both playing 3-tech (definitely expect pass).

The general expectation is something like:
(2 positions so it adds up to 200%)

• 1-tech: 60%
• 3-tech #1: 60%
• 3-tech #2: 60%
• 4th DT: 20%

Marinelli wants basically co-starters at 3-tech (2 starting caliber players).
- With a quality second 3-tech the numbers above would be the basic goal.
- In reality the starter is normally better and plays more.

This is from a game in 2018 where Crawford basically played all snaps at DE
- (He played a couple at at DT but I just lumped those into DT4 for simplicity).

Position ..... Snap% ........... Player
1T ............... 69% ............ Woods
3T-1 ............ 69% ............ Collins
3T-2 ............ 42% ............ Ross
DT4 ............ 20% ............ Reid

Position ..... Snap% ........... Player
RDE ............ 65% ............ Crawford
LDE ............ 57% ............ Lawrence
DE3 ............ 41% ............ Armstrong
DE4 ............ 37% ............ Charlton

There will very likely be a deeper DT rotation and fewer snaps at the top.
Hyder is a very legit DT.
Rod will rotate all his guys that can actually play to get 100% effort.
Wouldn't shock me to see guys get weeks off inactive.

I think it will favor 2017 with Colins getting less snaps.

Collins 65%
Ash 22%
Price 15%
Paea 14%
Neal 13%

I understand that was driven by injury but also performance.
Rod milked guys for all they were worth to cobble together a solid overall DT performance.

Hill looks like a guy that will be awesome for 20% of the snaps per game but will need to be a rotation to keep that effort at fult tilt boogie.
Collins is rock solid but added depth should reduce his snaps and hopefully boost his impact plays .
Hyder can rush the passer inside.

DT is just really deep on this team. I wonder if they'd trade Collins since they are unlikely to pay him.