News: Cowboys Enjoying a Youth Movement

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Cowboys Enjoying a Youth Movement
http://cowboyszone.com/2017/06/cowboys-enjoying-a-youth-movement.html



Here we sit, in the beginning of June, with the Dallas Cowboys opening up OTA’s to the public and there’s a sense of excitement. It’s the first sighting of Jaylon Smith on the field with the team. By all accounts, Smith looked fine, but there’s a long way to go before actual practice and games where the hits are real. What we do know is that the hype is real. However, while Smith might be one of the biggest stories heading into late July, there are other things that have gone unnoticed. Something that I recognized while looking over the Cowboys the other day, had nothing to do with one player, but more about a group of players. Dallas’ defensive line could field one of the youngest groups in the league. And there’s talent there too!

Maliek Collins just turned 22 and he had a very nice rookie season. There should be a significant jump coming with his this season (expect that article this summer). In fact, Collins is younger than the team’s first-round pick, Taco Charlton, who is the same age right now, but will turn 23-years old in November.

David Irving is currently just 23 years of age and will turn 24 in training camp. He might have the most potential out of the group and looks like he is just starting to figure it out. If he continues to progress, the Cowboys could have a ‘war daddy’ in his prime.

Charles Tapper turned 24-years old last month and there are high hopes for him. He certainly has the motor to excel with defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli pushing his buttons and the team had to slow him down in OTA’s...
 

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Youth in a physical game is a good thing. 24 is about the age when boys start showing a little bit of actual maturity. Now if we have the right folks to put the 2 together, we may be on the right track.
 

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Yes, the Cowboys have young talent on the defensive line but what is the true quality level of that talent?

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the potential and the Cowboys will be sure to keep adding pieces during the next few seasons but here some questions which might interest some of you:

Has any Super Bowl team ever had a defensive line squad in which not a single one of them was a first round draft pick?

Has any iconic defensive line, i.e, The Steel Curtain, Purple People Eaters, Doomsday I and II, 21st century Ravens, etc, never consisted of at least one guy that was a top 5 overall selection?

I know in the Cowboy's case, all three different Super Bowl defenses, DD I, DD II, and 90's had at least one guy drafted as a top 5 overall.

DD-1 Bob Lilly

DD II Randy White, Ed Jones, John Dutton

90's Russell Maryland, Tony Cassiles

And then:

Steel Curtain Joe Greene

Recent Ravens? Well, they drafted Ngata 12th overall and Suggs at 10th. And I realize Suggs played OLB but in a 3-4 I would have to include the OLBers as part of the defensive line to be fair. However, I concede that they did not have a #5 overall on their defensive line....but close.

Minnesota's Purple People Eaters Carl Eller, #6 overall, Alan Page #15 overall.....again, close.

Then again, former SB champion Seattle has been the best defense in opponent total yardage for the combined seasons of 2010-2016. Their defensive line is a bunch of no-names before the draft. In fact, two of their dominant starters were rookie free agents. However, I wouldn't say their great defense is attributed to their defensive line.

I think the Dallas Cowboy defensive line will begin to gain a reputation as aggressive with a high motor but is still under construction. Ironically, I feel that the Cowboys will begin to use their 1st round pick on the defensive line just as they begin to flourish without them. Overall, they will be good in 2017 but quality pieces will be added later.
 

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Our top ten players in no particular order:
1.Dez
2.Dak
3.Zeke
4. Fred
5.Martin
6.TSmith
7. Witten
8. Lee
9. Bailey
10. Beasley

Yes we need young talent on Defense.
 

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If we can finally manage to accompany some good health along with our youth movement, many great things should follow.:thumbup:

We presently have a wealth of defensive players with impressive talent to reward us. Here's to great health blessing all that talent.
 
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Yes, the Cowboys have young talent on the defensive line but what is the true quality level of that talent?

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the potential and the Cowboys will be sure to keep adding pieces during the next few seasons but here some questions which might interest some of you:

Has any Super Bowl team ever had a defensive line squad in which not a single one of them was a first round draft pick?

Has any iconic defensive line, i.e, The Steel Curtain, Purple People Eaters, Doomsday I and II, 21st century Ravens, etc, never consisted of at least one guy that was a top 5 overall selection?

I know in the Cowboy's case, all three different Super Bowl defenses, DD I, DD II, and 90's had at least one guy drafted as a top 5 overall.

DD-1 Bob Lilly

DD II Randy White, Ed Jones, John Dutton

90's Russell Maryland, Tony Cassiles

And then:

Steel Curtain Joe Greene

Recent Ravens? Well, they drafted Ngata 12th overall and Suggs at 10th. And I realize Suggs played OLB but in a 3-4 I would have to include the OLBers as part of the defensive line to be fair. However, I concede that they did not have a #5 overall on their defensive line....but close.

Minnesota's Purple People Eaters Carl Eller, #6 overall, Alan Page #15 overall.....again, close.

Then again, former SB champion Seattle has been the best defense in opponent total yardage for the combined seasons of 2010-2016. Their defensive line is a bunch of no-names before the draft. In fact, two of their dominant starters were rookie free agents. However, I wouldn't say their great defense is attributed to their defensive line.

I think the Dallas Cowboy defensive line will begin to gain a reputation as aggressive with a high motor but is still under construction. Ironically, I feel that the Cowboys will begin to use their 1st round pick on the defensive line just as they begin to flourish without them. Overall, they will be good in 2017 but quality pieces will be added later.


That 90s team with Maryland and Casillas were not even main contributors to the Dline. In fact, Maryland was someone who was placed on rotation and wasn't a major factor He was just an added body which the team was already loaded with.

The main production came from Charles Haley, Leon Lett and Chad Hennings. Haley was a 5th rounder. Lett was selected in the 4th round. Hennings was selected in the 6th. So your statement that a Dline needs 1st rounders - well I just don't agree with it. But we can agree to disagree.

I think the team will be fine without having to use a top draft pick on someone on the dline.
 

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That 90s team with Maryland and Casillas were not even main contributors to the Dline. In fact, Maryland was someone who was placed on rotation and wasn't a major factor He was just an added body which the team was already loaded with.

The main production came from Charles Haley, Leon Lett and Chad Hennings. Haley was a 5th rounder. Lett was selected in the 4th round. Hennings was selected in the 6th. So your statement that a Dline needs 1st rounders - well I just don't agree with it. But we can agree to disagree.

I think the team will be fine without having to use a top draft pick on someone on the dline.

They just need the traits, ability, and of course the mind to put it together. Doesn't matter where you are drafted.
 

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That 90s team with Maryland and Casillas were not even main contributors to the Dline. In fact, Maryland was someone who was placed on rotation and wasn't a major factor He was just an added body which the team was already loaded with.

The main production came from Charles Haley, Leon Lett and Chad Hennings. Haley was a 5th rounder. Lett was selected in the 4th round. Hennings was selected in the 6th. So your statement that a Dline needs 1st rounders - well I just don't agree with it. But we can agree to disagree.

I think the team will be fine without having to use a top draft pick on someone on the dline.

Lett was selected by the Dallas Cowboys in the seventh round of the 1991 NFL Draft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Lett

Haley was selected by the San Francisco 49ers in the fourth round (96th overall) of the 1986 NFL Draft, after dropping because he initially was timed at 4.8 seconds in the 40-yard dash, although he was later clocked by a 49ers scout at 4.55 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Haley

Despite facing an obligation to enter the Air Force upon graduating the Academy, Hennings was selected in the eleventh round of the 1988 NFL Draft by the Cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Hennings



In '92, the sack leaders were Jim Jeffcoat (10.5), Tony Tolbert (8.5), and Charles Haley (6)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1992&view=3

In '93, the sack leaders were Tony Tolbert (7.5) and Jim Jeffcoat (6)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1993&view=3

In '94, the sack leaders were Charles Haley (12.5), Jim Jeffcoat (8), DT Chad Jennings (7), Tony Tolbert (5.5), DT Leon Lett (4)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1994&view=3

In '95, the sack leaders were Charles Haley (10.5), Tony Tolbert (5.5), Chad Hennings (3)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1995&view=3


If you are going to put out as fact, at least be correct in what one presents.



And additionally, Tony Tolbert was drafted in 4th round of the 1989 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Tolbert

Jim Jeffcoat, was selected in the first round (23rd overall) of the 1983 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jeffcoat


Jim Jeffcoat was drafted similarly to Taco Charlton...and towards the end of the first round.
 

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Lett was selected by the Dallas Cowboys in the seventh round of the 1991 NFL Draft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Lett

Haley was selected by the San Francisco 49ers in the fourth round (96th overall) of the 1986 NFL Draft, after dropping because he initially was timed at 4.8 seconds in the 40-yard dash, although he was later clocked by a 49ers scout at 4.55 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Haley

Despite facing an obligation to enter the Air Force upon graduating the Academy, Hennings was selected in the eleventh round of the 1988 NFL Draft by the Cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Hennings



In '92, the sack leaders were Jim Jeffcoat (10.5), Tony Tolbert (8.5), and Charles Haley (6)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1992&view=3

In '93, the sack leaders were Tony Tolbert (7.5) and Jim Jeffcoat (6)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1993&view=3

In '94, the sack leaders were Charles Haley (12.5), Jim Jeffcoat (8), DT Chad Jennings (7), Tony Tolbert (5.5), DT Leon Lett (4)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1994&view=3

In '95, the sack leaders were Charles Haley (10.5), Tony Tolbert (5.5), Chad Hennings (3)

https://www.whatifsports.com/nfl-l/profile_team.asp?hfid=9&season=1995&view=3


If you are going to put out as fact, at least be correct in what one presents.



And additionally, Tony Tolbert was drafted in 4th round of the 1989 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Tolbert

Jim Jeffcoat, was selected in the first round (23rd overall) of the 1983 NFL Draft by the Dallas Cowboys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jeffcoat


Jim Jeffcoat was drafted similarly to Taco Charlton...and towards the end of the first round.

Adding onto that, no one can honestly compare talent evaluation between eras like that. The amount of readily accessible media on any given player, as well as data models and software evaluations has completely changed the landscape.

Yeah, there are going to be guys who slip through the cracks due to lack of playing time, different schemes, or through a players sheer will and determination, but man it's a whole different world now.
 

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Adding onto that, no one can honestly compare talent evaluation between eras like that. The amount of readily accessible media on any given player, as well as data models and software evaluations has completely changed the landscape.

Yeah, there are going to be guys who slip through the cracks due to lack of playing time, different schemes, or through a players sheer will and determination, but man it's a whole different world now.

All 'modern' excuses be damned. You find talent, develop, and plant a seed that grows through hard commitment by that player. Top shelf evaluations don't establish or determine final heart driven success. And no, that element does transcend different perceived eras.
 

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All 'modern' excuses be damned. You find talent, develop, and plant a seed that grows through hard commitment by that player. Top shelf evaluations don't establish or determine final heart driven success. And no, that element does transcend different perceived eras.

You missed the point.
 

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You missed the point.
Get a life here...the great defense that was supposed to drive the dynasty period under Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson, was from humble sources and rose to team oriented successes. This DOES give insight to a comparison of the current defensive line...who had close to similar results in the '92 season. AND with the same type of pedigrees.

Now, use your own batteries to shine a light...and youth is not an acceptable cop-out for true sport comparisons.

Now start including offensive comparisons to get a full and fair comparison...don't just use a 'legend' as a causal effect.
 

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IMO, Dallas is borderline dominant on offense because of first round selections n the OL, RB and WR (Dak was a fortuitous choice in the 4th); the offense took some time to build and now it is time for the defense to get the same treatment...with the exception of Dez, the first rounders that were picked are guys that could play another 10 years (who knows on RB, but at least he will be around while the Defense is being built)...so, while the offense can carry the load for a while, the defense gets built with a similar approach that was used for that offense....this started with the selection of Jaylon last year (albeit, a gamble) and MCollins, and then with the defense-heavy draft this year...

...to me, it looks like Dallas is throwing defensive resources against the wall to see what sticks....then, with the #32 pick in next year's draft, they use that and one of the extra 5th rounders to move up a little and get a pass-rusher

*****I can hear the beep of the construction trucks backing into the Frisco facility from my home in Penna....they dropped the first load of defensive talent on April 30th...next load? Apr 29th, 2018
 

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*****I can hear the beep of the construction trucks backing into the Frisco facility from my home in Penna....they dropped the first load of defensive talent on April 30th...next load? Apr 29th, 2018
Actually the Cowboys have been investing high picks for the defense for a while now....Jones, Gregory and Wilson in 2015, DLaw (2 picks) and Hitchens in 2014. That's 6 picks in the first 4 rounds those 2 years.
 

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1990...first season with the 'Triplets'

Jimmy Johnson 7-9
Points scored 26th of 28th
Points scored against 15th of 28th

Passing yards: total - 2581; TD's passing - 12; interceptions - 24

Troy Aikman - 56.6% com percentage; 2579 yards; 11 TD's; interceptions 18

Emmitt Smith - yds rushing 937; yds receiving 228; TD's 11

Michael Irvin - yds receiving 413; TD's 5

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/1990.htm

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2016...first season together - of the current 'triplets'

Jason Garrett 13-3
Points scored 5 of 32
Points scored against 5 of 32

Passing yards: total - 3631; TD's - 25; interceptions - 6

Dak Prescott - 67.8 com percentage; 3667 yards passing; 23 TD's; interceptions 4, yds rushing 282' TD's rushing 6

Zeke Elliott - 1631 yds rushing; TD's 15 rushing; receiving yards 363

Dez Bryant - 796 receiving yards; TD's 8

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/2016.htm
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Now, just as a starting point, the current Cowboy's Triplets are by far, ahead of what is described as the Dynasty.
 

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That 90s team with Maryland and Casillas were not even main contributors to the Dline. In fact, Maryland was someone who was placed on rotation and wasn't a major factor He was just an added body which the team was already loaded with.

The main production came from Charles Haley, Leon Lett and Chad Hennings. Haley was a 5th rounder. Lett was selected in the 4th round. Hennings was selected in the 6th. So your statement that a Dline needs 1st rounders - well I just don't agree with it. But we can agree to disagree.

I think the team will be fine without having to use a top draft pick on someone on the dline.

Agree that Maryland underperformed as first overall pick but wasn't just a rotation player, he was a starter and leader on that DL despite his youth. No one worked harder than Maryland and the guy played on bad feet for most of his career.

Cowboys definitely need more elite talent on front 7 no matter where they are drafted. But Plastic is right on the most important point, elite talent is easier to find at the top of draft than anywhere else.
 
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