Cowboys Flashback: What's a Phillips' 34?

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Cowboys Flashback: What's a Phillips' 34?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 27, 2010 8:14 PM CDT 1 comment


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With the draft in the books, I think we've reached a good time to re-assess the type of defense Wade Phillips runs. His 3-4 scheme differs from the "purer" version BIll Parcells ran in '05 and '06, and is better suited for the speedier linebackers he's drafted. Some people have questioned 2nd round pick Sean Lee's potential effectiveness, commenting that he appears "small" in clips they have seen on YouTube.

Read this analysis of Wade's D, first published in February '07 and updated here to accommodate current Cowboys' personnel, and see how Phillips' scheme, which protected and enabled 227 lb. Donnie Edwards, perfectly fits the skill sets of inside backers in waiting Lee and Jason Williams:

Perhaps the most intriguing comment in Wade Phillips’ inaugural presser was his declaration that he would call the defensive plays for his "Phillips’ 3-4″ next season. The players, as blogger Emmitt>>Barry noted in his morning thread, are excited by the change.

What exactly is a Phillips’ 3-4 and how does it differ from Bill Parcells’ scheme?

I went to the tape and saw that Phillips in San Diego used almost identical personnel to Dallas, but ran a very different attack.



Parcells’ defense has been referred to as vanilla this week, and in some respects it is. He drafted big front seven people, linemen and linebackers and set them up in a straight-forward, one-on-one defense. Look at Dallas in most 3-4 first and second down situations last year and you saw:

a.) three linemen always, and I mean always, lined head up over the opponent’s center and tackles. That’s because Parcells is one of the few coordinators who runs a true two-gap defense.

This means that on run plays, the three linemen are given responsibility for the two gaps to either side of them. They are to control the lineman directly in front of them, read which way the play is going, shed the blocker and fill the appropriate lane. It’s a read-and-react scheme and it depends on big, strong, smart line play.

b.) It also puts a premium on big linebackers, since they are not protected in the ways that middle and weakside linebackers are in the speedier 4-3 schemes that Dallas used to run or that the many Tampa-2 team use. The inside linebackers have to take guards head on and the outside linebackers need the bulk to control tight ends and take away the outside run.

San Diego takes a very different approach. I watched tape of their 2005 game against the Cowboys and saw a decidedly one-gap approach.

The first dramatic difference comes in the placement of the linemen. Rather than lining head up like the Dallas three, the Chargers guys lined up in gaps or did a lot of shading, lining up on a lineman or tight end’s inside or outside shoulder. In fact, I rarely saw a Chargers lineman or linebacker taking an opponent head on.

Here’s one typical front that gave the Dallas running game trouble. With Dallas lined up in a strong left formation (meaning TE Jason Witten was lined up next to LT Flozell Adams) the Chargers deployed this way: RE Igor Olshansky lined up on Adams’ inside shoulder. NT Jamal Williams shaded C Andre Gurode’s left shoulder. LE Jacques Cesare lined up wide of RT Rob Petitti.

ROLB Steve Foley lined up wide of TE Witten. ILB Randall Godfrey lined four yards off the ball and over Adams’ left shoulder, in a stacked position behind Olshansky, who was lined up immediately over Adams’ right shouder.

The other ILB Donnie Edwards was also four yards deep and lined up over the C/RG gap. LOLB Ben Leber was, like Godfrey, lined up over the RT Petitti, but off the ball.

Draw this up on a piece of paper and then look at the lane assignments. There are seven gaps around and between the Cowboys’ line and Phillips has assigned a front seven defender to each one: Foley has the gap to Witten’s left; Godfrey the gap between Witten and Adams; Olshansky the LT/LG gap; Williams the LG/C gap; Edwards the C/RG gap; Leber the RG/RT gap and Cesare the gap outside RT.

And that’s if the linemen stay in their positions. The Chargers would sometimes give this look and then make a lot of last second shifts. Williams at NT would flop from being on the Center’s left shoulder to his right. The other linemen and linebackers would also change their alignments late.

Update: I want people to note that Phillips was already playing his nose tackle, in this case the 348 lb. Jamaal Williams on the shade. I continue to see discussion of moving Jay Ratliff outside, and mention that he plays on the shade because he's too light to two gap and clog the middle. Phillips wanted Williams to use quickness and power at the Chargers and he counts on Ratliff to do the same. Jay is about 40 lbs. lighter, but every bit as strong and even faster.

Rat is up to 303 lbs. these days, and uses his long arms and incredible punchout to gain an advantage off the snap. Given his power and speed, I wonder if the 298 lb. Sean Lissemore will get an early shot at the backup nose tackle role. He's at the same weight Ratliff carried when he entered the NFL. He's a priority viewing target at camp this summer.

One aspect of the linemen shading is that it allows the Chargers to stack their inside linebackers. This was especially beneficial to the 227 lb. Edwards, who is too small to handle the pounding he would take in Parcells’ system.

Furthermore, the Chargers do not play a passive front. The Chargers guys do a lot of slanting and looping, trying to shoot the gaps and get in the backfield.

Update: Phillips uses inside backer twists on occasion and they helped James get eight sacks in '08. Wade played it more straight up last year and the rush defense gave up almost 20 fewer yards per game, rising from 12th to 4th.

What we will see, at some point this coming season and certainly by 2011, is more running and stunting from the inside guys. Williams lists today at 246 just one pound less than James. There's no comparison in run times. Williams ran a 4.49 at his pro day and explodes to the football. Lee, however slight he may be, is only six pounds lighter than Keith Brooking and a good ten heavier than Edwards, who used his quickness and instincts to post three straight 100-plus tackle seasons in the middle of the Phillips' 34.

The scheme offers some protection to the weakside inside backer, and if he's good at engaging and shedding blocks, he'll get plenty of action.

We're watching the final phases of the switch from the Tuna-gap 34 to the true Phillips 34, from the power 34 to the speed 34.

Meep-meep!
 
sweet post, joe. although I thought jason williams was the mo, here they're talking about him being a mike.
 
This makes me excited and sad. Excited for football to start. Especially seeing the rookies develop and see how good our defense can be with all Phillips guys.

Sad that I have to wait so long, Training camp hurry up!
 
This is a great article, and realy just begins to scratch the surface of what this defense is all about.

To me, I've always referred to this defense as a Shade 34. It's my defense of choice as it maintains several principles of an "Under 4-3" after the snap. You can do so much more with the scheme Wade runs as opposed to what Parcells prefers.

One thing we don't see much from, if any at all, from Wade is the fire-zone stuff. That is, blitzing a LB, Nickel, or Safety and dropping an End, Outside Rusher, or Interior Linemen into coverage.
 
the Phillips 34 defense is a stat padder until it wins something.
 
Wade is easily one of the best defensive minds in football, he may even be in the conversation with all time greats.

the league doesn't have many guys like wade, they lost one last year in Jim Johnson. I think one of the other guys in the league that is comparable is Rex Ryan, and surprisingly enough he is a legacy coach, just like wade.

I am really glad we got a guy like wade in here, I have learned a ton about defense as a result.
 
I think this post explains perfectly why the DEs make very few plays in Parcells' 3-4. Take Spears for example. He was totally invisible under Parcells. We all threw words like "bust" and "scrub" around to describe him. He has really improved under Phillips or appeared to have improved because he makes more plays. Thats must have a lot to do with the difference in the schemes.
 
CoachHodnett;3379129 said:
This is a great article, and realy just begins to scratch the surface of what this defense is all about.

To me, I've always referred to this defense as a Shade 34. It's my defense of choice as it maintains several principles of an "Under 4-3" after the snap. You can do so much more with the scheme Wade runs as opposed to what Parcells prefers.

One thing we don't see much from, if any at all, from Wade is the fire-zone stuff. That is, blitzing a LB, Nickel, or Safety and dropping an End, Outside Rusher, or Interior Linemen into coverage.

I really wish you would post more.
 
I dont care what Wade or the media is spouting to get the fanbase excited, if I dont see us attacking the QB again, its going to be a long annoying season, period, the end.

I dont care if you run left, right, at it, through it, if you dont bring down that QB OR TRAIN our guys to bring down that qb, i dont care what you do. Turnovers are still a problem, but if you dont put the fear of god into that QB, he'll over his mistakes and finally burn you when it counts.

Its a long time from last season to the new season and we are not sure if the defense is going to play as well at the end or need a whole season to get back to that state of mind.

Am i thrilled right now, no, by no means, 2 of the coaches i dont care for are still on the defense and if the same mistakes are made last year translate to this year, it wont matter what the defense does, because the same tried and true mistakes will continue to be our downfall.

Either get the players getting to the QB or dont bother with practice all week. IF you cant see by now our guys will either run past the QB or let him wiggle his way free, you arent going to see it next year as well.

I dont care how fast, strong, or solid tacklers *yes the Lee pick doesnt impress me yet* Than i dont care what they do once they let the QB get away and complete the play to keep the drive alive.

Start going after the QB or dont hold practice, either way it wont matter what you teach them in practice because they are just going to wait to 3rd down and blow it.

Start drilling it into their heads now. QB GO DOWN or YOU DONT PLAY.
 
ShiningStar;3379166 said:
I dont care what Wade or the media is spouting to get the fanbase excited, if I dont see us attacking the QB again, its going to be a long annoying season, period, the end.

I dont care if you run left, right, at it, through it, if you dont bring down that QB OR TRAIN our guys to bring down that qb, i dont care what you do. Turnovers are still a problem, but if you dont put the fear of god into that QB, he'll over his mistakes and finally burn you when it counts.

Its a long time from last season to the new season and we are not sure if the defense is going to play as well at the end or need a whole season to get back to that state of mind.

Am i thrilled right now, no, by no means, 2 of the coaches i dont care for are still on the defense and if the same mistakes are made last year translate to this year, it wont matter what the defense does, because the same tried and true mistakes will continue to be our downfall.

Either get the players getting to the QB or dont bother with practice all week. IF you cant see by now our guys will either run past the QB or let him wiggle his way free, you arent going to see it next year as well.

I dont care how fast, strong, or solid tacklers *yes the Lee pick doesnt impress me yet* Than i dont care what they do once they let the QB get away and complete the play to keep the drive alive.

Start going after the QB or dont hold practice, either way it wont matter what you teach them in practice because they are just going to wait to 3rd down and blow it.

Start drilling it into their heads now. QB GO DOWN or YOU DONT PLAY.

With all due respect, there is what maybe 3 teams that are in our elite echelon of NFL sacks over the last 3 seasons?
 
CoachHodnett;3379129 said:
This is a great article, and realy just begins to scratch the surface of what this defense is all about.

To me, I've always referred to this defense as a Shade 34. It's my defense of choice as it maintains several principles of an "Under 4-3" after the snap. You can do so much more with the scheme Wade runs as opposed to what Parcells prefers.

One thing we don't see much from, if any at all, from Wade is the fire-zone stuff. That is, blitzing a LB, Nickel, or Safety and dropping an End, Outside Rusher, or Interior Linemen into coverage.

Agreed with everything except the bolded part, especially the last bit "if any at all". Wade will send zone dogs occasionally. When you see Brooking, James, Carp or Scandrick rushing the passer, it usually means one of Ware, Spencer or even Rat are dropping back in coverage. Wade will even send the occasional jail break, 5 or more pass rushers.

Good stuff nonetheless.
 
SaltwaterServr;3379239 said:
With all due respect, there is what maybe 3 teams that are in our elite echelon of NFL sacks over the last 3 seasons?

Don't we have the most sacks of anyone in the league since Wade got here? Wonder how the OP felt about the Zimmer days.

Anyway, the Wade 34 is the coolest scheme in football. No doubt about it.
 
SaltwaterServr;3379239 said:
With all due respect, there is what maybe 3 teams that are in our elite echelon of NFL sacks over the last 3 seasons?
Over the past 3 Seasons:
2007: 3rd in sacks 46.0
2008: 1st in sacks 59.0
2009: 7th in sacks 42.0
Average of 49.0 sacks

Pittsburgh averaged 44.66
Minnesota averaged 43.66
Philadelphia averaged 43

So no one is even close to us over the past 3 seasons. Yes we had a down season when it came to sacks but we did rank 9th in overall defense and 2nd in scoring defense. If Lissemore can come in a be a solid and viable backup to Ratliff, we can keep Ratliff fresher more often which means more disruption at the line which should equal more sacks and a better defense. Sean Lee if he can contribute off the bat in nickle situations better than Carp, we'll be even better in pass coverage and better overall defense. And if Alan Ball or any other FS can come in a play like Ball did when Hamlin was out then our defense will be better overall. In the end our defense looks like it has every chance to improve next season over last.
 
Gzus;3379285 said:
Over the past 3 Seasons:
2007: 3rd in sacks 46.0
2008: 1st in sacks 59.0
2009: 7th in sacks 42.0
Average of 49.0 sacks

Pittsburgh averaged 44.66
Minnesota averaged 43.66
Philadelphia averaged 43

So no one is even close to us over the past 3 seasons. Yes we had a down season when it came to sacks but we did rank 9th in overall defense and 2nd in scoring defense. If Lissemore can come in a be a solid and viable backup to Ratliff, we can keep Ratliff fresher more often which means more disruption at the line which should equal more sacks and a better defense. Sean Lee if he can contribute off the bat in nickle situations better than Carp, we'll be even better in pass coverage and better overall defense. And if Alan Ball or any other FS can come in a play like Ball did when Hamlin was out then our defense will be better overall. In the end our defense looks like it has every chance to improve next season over last.



The numbers dont save the argument. We could have and start and should have been shattering sack records. 08 was special because Ware broke out and all wanted it last year but he was hurt. Spencer finally broke out but it took most of the season to get him going.

sack numbers just mean you got a qb down not which qb and when. When the qb has got to go down we dont produce and its on 3rd and long when thsi team stops attacking.

Again, i reiterate my argument. The sacks have got to come and the "fear of god" has got to get into that qbs head.

Point to make tho, I fully believe Ware was so fast he shouldnt have been called on most of those false starts he was called on. In fact I thougt i heard our defense coaches went to the film and timing and tried to make a case that Ware was just to fast for the officials, but when i claim that im called a homer, not on this board tho.

Fact remains, we have to get those sacks, WHEN they matter and start getting inside those qb's heads, to often i have not seen a QB rattled when he should have been and completing the passes, he should have not completed.
 
If I was stuck on a deserted island with only one Cowboy cheerleader and one Cowboy writer...Vela would get the nod as the writer.

As for the cheerleader...
 
does anyone still have the old Falcons 34 playbook someone posted on here after Wade was hired? I'd like to see it again if I could...
 
ShiningStar;3379317 said:
The numbers dont save the argument. We could have and start and should have been shattering sack records. 08 was special because Ware broke out and all wanted it last year but he was hurt. Spencer finally broke out but it took most of the season to get him going.

sack numbers just mean you got a qb down not which qb and when. When the qb has got to go down we dont produce and its on 3rd and long when thsi team stops attacking.

Again, i reiterate my argument. The sacks have got to come and the "fear of god" has got to get into that qbs head.

Point to make tho, I fully believe Ware was so fast he shouldnt have been called on most of those false starts he was called on. In fact I thougt i heard our defense coaches went to the film and timing and tried to make a case that Ware was just to fast for the officials, but when i claim that im called a homer, not on this board tho.

Fact remains, we have to get those sacks, WHEN they matter and start getting inside those qb's heads, to often i have not seen a QB rattled when he should have been and completing the passes, he should have not completed.

So go through every team's play by play on NFL.com for the last three seasons and see when those sacks came, categorize each, and then get back with us.

We don't have a reliable way to find when each team's sacks occurred so you'll be a hero for breaking that ground. Obviously this is a matter of great personal value to you, so you'll readily be up to the task. :rolleyes:

Candidly, it's something I would consider doing if I had the free time to do so. At least for the top 10 teams in sacks each season. It really shouldn't take that much time. You can look at the stat sheet for each game, then go to the play by play. Find the sack, the result of the series or drive, and then categorize the result. Those top 10 teams should play each other every so often by the odds of it, so you wouldn't even be looking at 480 games worth of stats.
 
SaltwaterServr;3379432 said:
So go through every team's play by play on NFL.com for the last three seasons and see when those sacks came, categorize each, and then get back with us.

We don't have a reliable way to find when each team's sacks occurred so you'll be a hero for breaking that ground. Obviously this is a matter of great personal value to you, so you'll readily be up to the task. :rolleyes:

Candidly, it's something I would consider doing if I had the free time to do so. At least for the top 10 teams in sacks each season. It really shouldn't take that much time. You can look at the stat sheet for each game, then go to the play by play. Find the sack, the result of the series or drive, and then categorize the result. Those top 10 teams should play each other every so often by the odds of it, so you wouldn't even be looking at 480 games worth of stats.


Lets skip all of that and get back to the fact at hand, when its third and long on defense, Dallas better start bringing the pressure, because ive seen way to many games over the years, that Dallas lets up on third and long thinking the qb wont convert and still they do.

It is still a headache to this team and the only way to cure it is to get it through the coaches skulls. If wade and company cant see it by now, they are not going to and its going to be another long season unless injuries to other teams help us out.
 

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