Cowboys legend Emmitt Smith feels Dallas isn't 'ready' to draft star RB Ashton Jeanty

stilltheguru said:
Building up the oline. Saquan is running behind the best oline in the league. Saquan behind our line would do minimal playoff damage.

Once oline and front 4 are solidified THEN you worry about the back.
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A great running back not only improves your offensive line but your defense.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
So if Eagles had Rico Dowdle instead of Barkley they make it to the SB?
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We may have not won 14 games, but the division would have still probably been ours. We would beat the commanders either way, Rams possibly either way, probably the Packers as well. I don’t think we’d choose Dowdle over other options, and you don’t have to either, but with a lesser RB than Saquon…. very plausibly. Would we have won it though? Probably not.

Saquon wasn’t required to be good, but he guaranteed those victories; took the gamble out it of it. He completed the roster as Baun did on defense. Icing on the cake. The argument was never Barkley is worthless; The argument is he can never have the impact on the franchise that Fletcher Cox did, who we took at 12. That Jalen Carter is and will at 9. That Brandon Graham did, who we took at 10 and only ever had 1 pro bowl. That Devonta does, who we took at 10. That Micah does for you, who you took at 12. That Frederick did and would have, who you took at 14(or was that Martin? Either way). It’s incomparable
 
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Aerolithe_Lion said:
We may have not won 14 games, but the division would have still probably been ours. We would beat the commanders either way, Rams possibly either way, probably the Packers as well. I don’t think we’d choose Dowdle over other options, and you don’t have to either, but with a lesser RB than Saquon…. very plausibly. Would we have won it though? Probably not.

Saquon wasn’t required to be good, but he guaranteed those victories; took the gamble out it of it. He completed the roster as Baun did on defense. Icing on the cake. The argument was never Barkley is worthless; The argument is he can never have the impact on the franchise that Fletcher Cox did, who we took at 12. That Jalen Carter is and will at 9. That Brandon Graham did, who we took at 10 and only ever had 1 pro bowl. That Devonta does, who we took at 10. That Micah does for you, who you took at 12. That Frederick did and would have, who you took at 14(or was that Martin? Either way). It’s incomparable
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The poster said they didn’t make the SB because of Barkley. They made it because of the defense. So I asked do they make the SB with Dowdle over Barkley. I’m just shocked at the disrespect Barkley is getting arguably the MVP of the league…
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
Is every trade not a trade away from talent?

LT, DE, DT, RG, WR, CB.

Best available at the primary positions, and you would benefit from a lot of them
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If we took this approach we wouldn’t have had Lamb and Micah. Everyone said you don’t take a linebacker as high as we did. And I’m sure you would’ve agreed. We had Gallup and Amari. Using your logic we should’ve passed Lamb up because we didn’t need a number one or two receiver.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
The poster said they didn’t make the SB because of Barkley. They made it because of the defense. So I asked do they make the SB with Dowdle over Barkley. I’m just shocked at the disrespect Barkley is getting arguably the MVP of the league…
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OPOY* because he ran for 2000 yards. All individual awards are really just team stats. Allen isn’t MVP is his receivers can’t catch, if his Oline can’t block, if his Defense gives up TD’s at the worst times (a big reason Lamar didn’t win). Did Saquon become a different player since he left New York? Was he not trying very hard as a Giant, or didn’t know how to play the position? Hes the same guy he was there. The RBs they have now are doing the same stuff Saquon did, just a bit slower. The results aren’t tremendously dissimilar.

When Saquon breaks his 4th, 5th, 6th 60-yard TD, that’s Lane Johnson. That’s Jordan Mailata. That’s the linebacker who’s out of position because he’s afraid Jalen will tuck it and bootleg. That’s the safety who’s way too deep and hugging the opposite sideline because he’s been scolded all week to make sure AJ doesn’t beat his CB deep. It’s the whole team. Saquon elevates the finishing runs, adds the dimension of successful runs when they shouldn’t have been, but he’s still the same guy who buoyed between effective and ineffective in New York.

Derrick Henry averaged 1200 yards his last 3 years in Tennessee. He had 1900 this season. Improved his yards per carry by nearly 2! Did he take steroids in the offseason? Should we check him for HGH? It would take a lot to become that good. Lamar Jackson did that. The Ravens OC did that. Ronnie Stanley and Zay Flowers did that.

Miles Sanders was about as good for us in 2022 as Saquon ever was for the Giants. Really think about the implication of that. How is that possible? He’s OPOY…. Saquon plays arguably the most dependent position on the field. There is a reason AJ makes 3 times what Saquon does, and it’s not because the Eagles have no idea what they’re doing. It’s because we could strap together 3 guys in a committee and get close to replicating his production. 2000 yards out of one of them may be unrealistic, but 500+ from each and a little more from Jalen to get close can be done.

Take Ezekiel Elliot. He had a historic rookie contract with his production. Few running backs did better in their first 5 years. If Jeanty did that, people would be celebrating the pick; Jumping for joy. How many people today don’t have regret on that pick 9 years later? What would the difference have been if you had taken one of the perennial pro bowl lineman after? I know we’ve had that debate as nauseum, but how about this one:

Half of Zach Martin. Half his pro bowls, half his all pros. Would you trade that for Zeke? A FRACTION of an Olineman you got in that draft area. That’s a slam dunk, of course you take that. The mental gymnastics needed to justify the Jeanty pick is only another peg in the wall of why not to take him. He’d have to outproduce a historically great RB selection just to be in the conversation with only partial value you’ve gotten out of an Olineman.

The position value isn’t worth it

Longevity of the position isn’t worth it

The draft pick value isn’t worth it

The salary cap implications aren’t worth it

The need the Cowboys have isn’t worth it

History dictates it’s a terrible idea

Dallas’s own history at how successful they are taking lineman and the longterm benefits say it’s not worth it

What is the benefit compared to all of the negatives? “Watching highlights is fun?”
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
If we took this approach we wouldn’t have had Lamb and Micah. Everyone said you don’t take a linebacker as high as we did. And I’m sure you would’ve agreed. We had Gallup and Amari. Using your logic we should’ve passed Lamb up because we didn’t need a number one or two receiver.
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Lamb and Micah play high value positions. I don’t agree. Micah was viewed as a pass rusher in that draft, you never drafted him to be exclusively an offball guy. We would never have taken him as we may not have had that foresight, but everyone doesn’t play the same defense.

We literally just talked about #2 receivers being more valuable than RBs. Of course Lamb was a good option there. We just talked about The Bengals being smart in drafting Chase; They had Boyd as well/comparable situation to Gallup. Neither Chase nor Lamb were drafted to be a #3
 
Our quickest way back to relevancy is a run game.


I’m all for drafting another lineman or Jeanty.

I think some of these around 2 RBs have just as much of a opportunity to be a superstar like Jeanty as well.

You got guys like Hampton, Henderson, and Johnson that have bigtime potential.
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
Lamb and Micah play high value positions. I don’t agree. Micah was viewed as a pass rusher in that draft, you never drafted him to be exclusively an offball guy. We would never have taken him as we may not have had that foresight, but everyone doesn’t play the same defense.

We literally just talked about #2 receivers being more valuable than RBs. Of course Lamb was a good option there. We just talked about The Bengals being smart in drafting Chase; They had Boyd as well/comparable situation to Gallup. Neither Chase nor Lamb were drafted to be a #3
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He wasn’t drafted to be a pass rusher. They literally didn’t know he would even be the pass rusher he is until injuries happened. Chase was drafted because he was arguably the best player in the draft lol. He and Lamb situations were completely different especially since they used a 2nd on Mixon. Cowboys don’t have a running back on the roster except Vaughn. The addition of Jeanty or any back would immediately help the defense. We need a back or two and it doesn’t have to be in the first but I’m not passing up Jeanty for a projected late player that has a need.
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
So if Eagles had Rico Dowdle instead of Barkley they make it to the SB?
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That’s what they want you to believe. They also want to act like the Cowboys are in dire straits, in terms of the roster and act like starters Dak, Overshown, D-Law, Diggs, Parsons, Zach Martin, Bland, Cooks, et cetera, all didn’t miss significant time last year.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
That’s what they want you to believe. They also want to act like the Cowboys are in dire straits, in terms of the roster and act like starters Dak, Overshown, D-Law, Diggs, Parsons, Zach Martin, Bland, Cooks, et cetera, all didn’t miss significant time last year.
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How many were out for the GB playoff game?

On the opposite side of the argument, to act like Dallas is anything close to a finished product is an expectation with a lower ceiling than most
 
TheMarathonContinues said:
He wasn’t drafted to be a pass rusher. They literally didn’t know he would even be the pass rusher he is until injuries happened. Chase was drafted because he was arguably the best player in the draft lol. He and Lamb situations were completely different especially since they used a 2nd on Mixon. Cowboys don’t have a running back on the roster except Vaughn. The addition of Jeanty or any back would immediately help the defense. We need a back or two and it doesn’t have to be in the first but I’m not passing up Jeanty for a projected late player that has a need.
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The only other option being projected late players is hyperbole.

Mason Graham

Walter Nolan

Will Campbell

Jalon Walker

Kelvin Banks

Josh Sinmons

They won’t all be gone by your pick. Any one of them is worth two Jeanty’s
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
How many were out for the GB playoff game?

On the opposite side of the argument, to act like Dallas is anything close to a finished product is an expectation with a lower ceiling than most
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Take your same argument and apply it to how the Eagles season ended in 2023. Someone equally as daft could then argue “welp, look what all that drafting in trenches got’em!”

Team success in any given year is based on so many different factors.
 
CATCH17 said:
Our quickest way back to relevancy is a run game.


I’m all for drafting another lineman or Jeanty.

I think some of these around 2 RBs have just as much of a opportunity to be a superstar like Jeanty as well.

You got guys like Hampton, Henderson, and Johnson that have bigtime potential.
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Yeah I’m perfectly fine with any of those backs. Ideally, we take a position of need that can come right in and start and take a back with the second round pick….
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
That’s what they want you to believe. They also want to act like the Cowboys are in dire straits, in terms of the roster and act like starters Dak, Overshown, D-Law, Diggs, Parsons, Zach Martin, Bland, Cooks, et cetera, all didn’t miss significant time last year.
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Right. I mean I know his game he’s only here because the Eagles are in the SB when they lose he’s never around. Jeanty won’t help us because we won 7 games…..and wants me to believe Barkley isn’t a factor to the point that Dowdle would’ve got similar results. They will stoop to any level. If someone wants to argue hey take RB later because there’s great value later on at RB? I’d not only listen but I’d agree. But this don’t take Jeanty because he won’t help you is silly. That’s a silly argument. He will benefit both sides of the football.
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
The only other option being projected late players is hyperbole.

Mason Graham

Walter Nolan

Will Campbell

Jalon Walker

Kelvin Banks

Josh Sinmons

They won’t all be gone by your pick. Any one of them is worth two Jeanty’s
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I'm not really for the corner because I think we've got two really good ones even though Diggs is liable to be out part of the season. Now, if Lewis leaves in free agency, I could see the need.

I'm also not for another first-round OL. I'd rather wait a year and see what we've got there because the group was playing pretty well after we lost Martin. Well enough for Dowdle to break 1,000 and average 4.6 and I don't think Dowdle is anything special as an RB.

If Graham is there, I take him in an instant. If Nolen and Jeanty are both there, I'd prefer Nolen because we don't have the type of 3-tech you need for this defense even if we re-sign Odighizuwa. But I wouldn't be upset about taking Jeanty because he may be a special back. My preference, though, would be Nolen and then a back in the second round.

I'd prefer we fix WR in free agency because you can't fix every position in the first two rounds and the WRs seem to have some question marks, and I believe if you are relying on the third round to fix a position, you've already lost. The third round is full of flawed players (hence why they weren't first-rounders or early seconds) who sometimes are able to overcome their flaws but may never be great. Odighizuwa is a good example of that, Golston, your guy Milton Williams ...
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Take your same argument and apply it to how the Eagles season ended in 2023. Someone equally as daft could then argue “welp, look what all that drafting in trenches got’em!”

Team success in any given year is based on so many different factors.
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Any given year, sure. No team-building effort is defined by 1 season(unless it’s a championship season)
 
rambo2 said:
Oh bs. He already said he would love to play for the Cowboys.
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I seriously doubt he'd want to come to a toilet organization like we have here when he could go to a team where there is some hope.
 
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