Cowboys looking at Ex-Green Bay Kicker Dave Rayner?

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Cowboys looking at Ex-Green Bay Kicker Dave Rayner
Kicker Rayner gets booted
Draft pick Crosby draws deciding edge
By TOM SILVERSTEIN
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=655719

Rayner won't be out of work long

At least that's what Rayner and his agent, Paul Sheehy, were told by the Green Bay Packers.

What they weren't told was why Rayner was released and Crosby was kept. Their assumption is that Crosby got the nod because he is a Ted Thompson draft choice - a sixth-round pick this year - and draft picks always win out in a tie.

"I think in their mind they were about equal," Sheehy said Saturday night. "But they used a draft pick on him (Crosby) and that's a valuable thing. You don't like to cut draft picks."

Crosby's agent, Mike McCartney, agreed that Crosby's status as a draft choice helped him. But he also said that as a rookie Crosby has room for improvement and if he's equal to Rayner now, there's a chance he'll be ahead of him later.

McCartney praised Rayner for the way he kicked during training camp and said there was very little doubt that he would be on another team in the next couple of days. Crosby, McCartney said, couldn't have had a better experience in training camp battling Rayner kick for kick throughout.

"It was great for Mason," McCartney said. "He will be more battle-tested than any rookie in recent years. It's going to be very beneficial. I think it's a tribute to how Dave and Mason competed. They're both going to be very successful this year."

Rayner joined the Packers last spring after serving as Indianapolis' kickoff man in 2005. In training camp, he beat out veteran Billy Cundiff for the right to replace the departed Ryan Longwell and hit 26 for 35 on field goals - including a 44-yard game-winner against Minnesota on Dec. 21 and a franchise record-tying 54-yarder at Philadelphia Oct. 2.

Rayner, who hit 31 for 32 extra points, also had 11 touchbacks on kickoffs, the most the Packers have had since Longwell's rookie year in 1997.

As a result of his strong training camp, Rayner will draw interest around the league. Sheehy said he would know by noon today whether a team had claimed him off waivers.

According to a source not connected with Rayner or Sheehy, four teams - Dallas, New York Giants, Atlanta and Kansas City - had plans to bring Rayner in for a tryout if he clears waivers. Another team that appears to have some interest is the Cincinnati Bengals, whose kicker Shayne Graham suffered a hip pointer Friday night against Indianapolis.

Rayner, who did not return a phone message Saturday night, is happy to have teams interested in him, but he was hurt by the Packers' decision to release him, according to Sheehy.

"I think he was upset," the agent said. "He didn't think he did anything to lose the job. I don't disagree. It was a matter of business. If he wasn't disappointed he should be doing something else for a living. He works all off-season for a job and then gets fired. Frustration is normal."

Rayner had some rough patches last season that prompted the Packers to select Crosby, who some scouts had written off because of a poor combine performance, and some had written off because they thought his numbers were enhanced by kicking in a high altitude at Colorado.

Crosby showed early that he had as strong of a leg as Rayner, and put to the test day after day in a one-on-one field goal kicking contest, he proved more accurate, hitting 101 for 118 (85.6%) in practice and games to Rayner's 95 for 117 (81.2%).

"The league messed up on draft day with him," McCartney said. "I think it was a case of a guy who comes into the draft process with high expectations and gets over-evaluated at a ridiculous combine event where there's no emotion involved. A lot of people passed on him because of that. I give the Packers a lot of credit for taking him."

McCartney said he had no doubt Crosby would handle kicking under pressure during the regular season. He said his experience kicking in big games for the Buffaloes as well as competing with Rayner prepared him for this job.

"He's ready," McCartney said. "He was ready for this competition and he's ready to kick for the Packers."
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This is the same source as before and it was bogus. We're not looking at him.

Book it.
 

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I wonder if they are trying to help Rayner get a job or tryout somewhere?
 

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Glad we aren't. I'd be upset if we interested in him now that we've got Folk. We've got more serious problems at CB & LB. We only kept 7 LBs & it possible neither of them (Ellis & Burnett) will play in season opener. That leaves us with Ware/Ayodele/James/Spencer & Carpenter to back up everybody and also play in nickel (or is it the dime or both) package.

Hopefully the Cowboys have their name in for at least one player whose on the waiver wire but how much help can he provide? Maybe their plan is to bring one of the linebackers we cut back if they don't get the player they want. Just sounds so weird. Hopefully before the season opener all problems will be resolved and I'll be sitting here wondering how I could have ever questioned Jerry & our coaching staff. Hmmm. You think?
 

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Folk's percentage through camp is probably around 99%, I think he missed maybe two kicks since training camp started.

I think its possible that the Cowboys could look at Rayner(due diligence) just in case things go bad with Folk. They can't bring Gramatica back(anytime soon anyway).
 

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The only way we are interested in him is if he can be a good back up OLB or CB.
 

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What they weren't told was why Rayner was released and Crosby was kept. Their assumption is that Crosby got the nod because he is a Ted Thompson draft choice - a sixth-round pick this year - and draft picks always win out in a tie.

"I think in their mind they were about equal," Sheehy said Saturday night. "But they used a draft pick on him (Crosby) and that's a valuable thing. You don't like to cut draft picks."

The Packers cut Rayner because the Packers spent a 6th draft choice on Crosby.

But the Cowboys are supposedly willing to cut Folk, who was drafted in the 6th round, in favor of Rayner?

It doesn't make much sense.

At some point, if you draft a kicker and that kicker does a solid job through his first training camp, he's going to make the roster. If you are unwilling to count on a rookie kicker, then it makes no sense to draft one in the first place.
 

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I really hope we are not wasting our time evaluating another kicker.
 

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Rayner not expected to be an NYG : TexasGmenFan : 9/3/07 4:57 PM
As per Rotoworld:
Free agent K Dave Rayner is not expected to be signed by the Giants. Rayner's workout with New York didn't go so well and Lawrence Tynes' spot atop the depth chart remains safe for now. The Giants should keep looking.

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..... : yankees78 : 9/3/07 4:58 PM
Former Packers K Dave Rayner worked out for the Giants today along with several long snappers -- none of which was former Chief Kendall Gammon.
According to someone familiar with the Giants' thinking, Rayner did "nothing to distinguish himself'" and won't be signed by the team.
Also, K Josh Huston, who was cut by the Giants on Saturday, did not sign with the Chiefs after working out for them today.
He's now headed to Cincinnati to work out for the Bengals.
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Alexander;1617854 said:
What agenda could a Green Bay writer be pushing? I don't understand.
throwing names out there, thinking maybe they could get him a job, lol
 

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Is Dave any relation to Ray Rayner?
 

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maybe the agent called Jerry and asked him to help Rayner out.....asked Jerry if he can list Dallas as a possible destination, even if there is absolutely no interest....

afterall, i am sure that when Jerry is interested, it makes others take notice of certain players....im not saying always, but in most cases i am sure.
 
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