Cowboys Nation Mock 8.0 -- Massive Sides of Beef

[cowboyjoe]

Cowboys Nation Mock 8.0 -- Massive Sides of Beef
http://www.cowboyszone.com/2011/03/cowboys-nation-mock-80-massive-sides-of.html
Posted by Rafael at Friday, March 18, 2011

1st Round -- Tyron Smith, OT, USC
We're all still speculating, waiting for his pro day March 30th. In the meantime, word emerges that teams in the 9-13 range are looking at OTs. What's more, I've seen Cameron Jordan in some big mocks as high as 8 to Tennessee and I got word this week that another team higher that Dallas has some interest in the Cal DE.

What do you do if three of your top DE candidates - Fairley, Dareus and Jordan -- are gone by pick 9? Do you push J.J. Watt there? Do you risk dealing down and losing him? I go OT. At nine Dallas should have its pick of the tackle crop. If Smith shows the speed and the footwork that's been forecast, dealing down more than five spots may risk losing him and Watt. That's too cute for my blood. I love J.J. Watt, but in the 9 slot, I like Smith better. There's always the option of landing a Gabe Carimi or an Anthony Castonzo after dealing down, but Smith's upside seems so much higher.

2nd Round -- Kendrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
I spent a couple of days in the press boxes at the NFLPA Bowl in San Antonio in early February, staying out of the freezing cold that swept Texas that week. I got to peer at the notes of scouts from at least ten NFL teams. On every single set the name ELLIS was bolded, underlined or highlighted.

 

[supercowboy8]

2nd round at 40 is way to early for Ellis. No way I take him at 40. I like Ellis, I think he can play the 5 technique as a 3-4 DE or NT but 40 is to early.

I like the Pinkston pick; I think he will be a good LG.

I would rather see us trade back from 9. Then if SMith is the pick I'm cool with it but we need more picks.
Trade back and get
1st Smith or Carimi
2nd Harris or Williams or a 3-4 DE if Harris and Williams are gone
3rd Cannon or Pickston, Ellis

 

[TheCount]

2nd round at 40 is way to early for Ellis. No way I take him at 40. I like Ellis, I think he can play the 5 technique as a 3-4 DE or NT but 40 is to early.

I like the Pinkston pick; I think he will be a good LG.

I would rather see us trade back from 9. Then if SMith is the pick I'm cool with it but we need more picks.
Trade back and get
1st Smith or Carimi
2nd Harris or Williams or a 3-4 DE if Harris and Williams are gone
3rd Cannon or Pickston, Ellis

Depends on how he turns out, I can tell you that I watched every snap of the Texas vs The Nation game and he was indeed the most dominant player on the field at any given moment.

I liked him better as a pick when he was scheduled in the 4th round but he keeps rising and at this point I wouldn't be surprised to see him go late in the 2nd.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think I would take Ellis in the 2nd round. He's got the talent to be picked there, maybe higher, but he's got to much baggage. He was a star in the making at South Carolina but suspension and then finally being thrown off the team for repeated drug violations us a huge red flag. He joined Hampton's program and was again suspended for drug violations. I mean, this kid had it all working for him, playing in the SEC and earning a starting spot as a Freshman. He only played in 11 games but was on STs for all but the last three. In the last three, he played DT and recorded 11 tackles, 10 solo and 3 were tackles for loss. Two chances to get it right at USC and fails? Gets an opportunity at Hampton and again, gets suspended for drug use? I just see this kid as a player who, if drafted high, looks at it as a situation in which it doesn't matter what he does because his talent will allow him to slide. He won't see it as a chance in a lifetime opportunity. If you pay this kid, I think it's only a matter of time before he gets himself in trouble and the team has nothing to show for it. He has 1st or 3nd round talent but I don't think I would take him before the 4th. JMO.

I do like the Pinkston and Marsh picks.

 

[TheCount]

Gets an opportunity at Hampton and again, gets suspended for drug use?

For the record, he was never suspended at Hampton for drug use. He got suspended one game for fighting.

He was a knucklehead at South Carolina for sure, but for all intents and purposes, he has cleaned up his act a considerable amount since he arrived at Hampton.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

For the record, he was never suspended at Hampton for drug use. He got suspended one game for fighting.

He was a knucklehead at South Carolina for sure, but for all intents and purposes, he has cleaned up his act a considerable amount since he arrived at Hampton.

I don't know if the suspension at Hampton was for fighting or not but I have heard speculation that it was not. I have nothing to confirm one way or another. I would not take him at 2. That's just me.

 

[TheCount]

I don't know if the suspension at Hampton was for fighting or not but I have heard speculation that it was not. I have nothing to confirm one way or another. I would not take him at 2. That's just me.

He was arrested for assault prior to the open of the 2010 season for breaking a guys jaw in a fight and suspended one game, I don't think the reason behind that particular suspension is in dispute.

I'm not arguing with your statement that you wouldn't draft him in the 2nd round, just clarifying on the reason for his suspension after leaving SC.

Like I said, I liked him better as a 4th round prospect, he's THE guy I want for us in the 3rd round.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was arrested for assault prior to the open of the 2010 season for breaking a guys jaw in a fight and suspended one game, I don't think the reason behind that particular suspension is in dispute.

I'm not arguing with your statement that you wouldn't draft him in the 2nd round, just clarifying on the reason for his suspension after leaving SC.

Fair enough.

 

[fishspill]

I like the draft and most of the picks. Ellis that early is a tough one but if you like him that much, and you'd have to assume a lot of other teams do as well, then maybe you have to go with him there. Some DE/NT there is fine by me.

The Marecic pick I'm not sure on. I know some of these fullbacks are popular picks in this area but I just don't know how much they'll see the field. You do need that guy though, I get it. I'm more amenable to a TE should one fall there. Witten is great but has a lot of miles on him despite his age. Marty may get more to play elsewhere. Phillips looked great but I have no idea how he'll rebound from injury. And Red will use a TE as I recall (anyone with facts can correct this, please, I'm shooting from the hip).

Carter falling that far seems a stretch, but he's solid. I like Pinkston if his weight is under control. Some CB in that spot seems about right. The 7th is a pet cat spot.

 

[supercowboy8]

Depends on how he turns out, I can tell you that I watched every snap of the Texas vs The Nation game and he was indeed the most dominant player on the field at any given moment.

I liked him better as a pick when he was scheduled in the 4th round but he keeps rising and at this point I wouldn't be surprised to see him go late in the 2nd.

He might go 2nd but I don't think Dallas will take him at 40. Maybe if they geta late 2nd some how. Ryan is known to always have been able to get the most out of the DL. The Browns DL last year was pretty good espcially the NT who was a 6th round draft pick.

I think they look OL or secondary in the second, may be a DE if a 1st round guy slips. I don't think they go NT until 3rd-5th. They really like Ian Williams too.

 

[UnoDallas]

The Dallas Cowboys sat down and met with Notre Dame defensive tackle Ian Williams, who would be a prototypical nose tackle in the Cowboys defensive scheme. Williams is projected to go in the fourth round of the draft and he has experience in multiple schemes.

“It was cool, really cool,” Williams said. “We talked a lot about football and off the field stuff. Hopefully one day I can play with them … I stop the run, that’s what I do best.”

Dallas isn’t letting the fact that they have a Pro Bowl nose tackle currently on the roster stop them from interviewing big bodies for the defensive line. In addition to Williams, the Cowboys have set up a meeting with Baylor’s Phil Taylor.

 

[28 Joker]

I wouldn't touch South Carolina players. I really like the first pick, obviously.

Davon House (CB Utah State) ran a 4.32 at his pro day and ran 4.38 at the combine. Both of House's 40s were in the 4.3 range at his pro day. I think he will have a second round grade and be a great value pick. There is going to be CB value in round 2. He's 6-0, 200 pounds.

I love the Pinkston pick in round three. I think you can get him there for sure, because he will play at 24. I'll take that on an offensive line that is on schedule to average 33 years of age in 2011.

1. Tyron Smith OT USC
2. Devon House CB Utah State
3. Jason Pinkston OG Pittsburgh

I like the fullback pick and Vela's smart, sound analysis. That was a good chat he had with Bob Sturm, both ends.

I still don't like J.J. Watt in the top 20, though. I think he's going to prove to be a second round player. I wouldn't consider Carimi until late round 1, and he's a true second round value, imo.

 

[unionjack8]

1. T Smith, OT
2. M. Austin, DE/NT
3. W.Rackley, OG
4. M.Gilchrist, FS/CB
5. N.Irving, ILB

i preface this by saying i hope for FS FA signing as and when it is go go go. Huff would be nice.

 

[silverbear]

For the record, he was never suspended at Hampton for drug use. He got suspended one game for fighting.

Yeah, he "only" broke a guy's jaw...

That's certainly a step up from blowin' some weed... now, I have no character concerns at all about him...

He was a knucklehead at South Carolina for sure, but for all intents and purposes, he has cleaned up his act a considerable amount since he arrived at Hampton.

See above...

Let's just say if I didn't know the Cowboys have already shown interest in him, he would not be on my draft board at all... but since I do believe that board should include everybody who the Boys have been reported to be interested in, I'll hold my nose when I type him in...

 

[silverbear]

I don't know if the suspension at Hampton was for fighting or not but I have heard speculation that it was not. I have nothing to confirm one way or another. I would not take him at 2. That's just me.

It was for fighting, he broke a guy's jaw... I believe it was at a bar of some sort that it happened...

Seems odd that a young man who got thrown out of one school for character issues, a young man who hopes to have a future in the NFL, would be hangin' out at bars... I would have thought he'd be a bit smarter than that...

And of course, there are no drugs to be found in the night spots in and around Hampton...

I just don't believe that he'll straighten up and fly right when he gets to the NFL, and I don't really know why I get that feeling... my every instinct tells me he's a suspension waiting to happen...

Now, I might take a chance on that kind of problem child in the late rounds, but not in the range where Hampton is gonna be drafted...

 

[28 Joker]

I shouldn't complain much about that DT. At least, I get Smith (that is the important thing) and the CB in round 4 is a good prospect.

I just don't think you can fix the OL and DL in one draft.

I would focus the draft on the offensive line.

The Cowboys organization blew the chance to address both lines in the 2009 draft, especially the offensive line, where 5 starting offensive linemen were passed over.

Vela knows that Dallas' lines are in bad shape, especially the offensive line.

South Carolina players tend to be shady in the character department. Hopefully, this DT sees the light.

 

[TheCount]

Yeah, he "only" broke a guy's jaw...

That's certainly a step up from blowin' some weed... now, I have no character concerns at all about him...

I do believe you missed the purpose of my reply entirely.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I shouldn't complain much about that DT. At least, I get Smith (that is the important thing) and the CB in round 4 is a good prospect.

I just don't think you can fix the OL and DL in one draft.

I would focus the draft on the offensive line.

The Cowboys organization blew the chance to address both lines in the 2009 draft, especially the offensive line, where 5 starting offensive linemen were passed over.

Vela knows that Dallas' lines are in bad shape, especially the offensive line.

South Carolina players tend to be shady in the character department. Hopefully, this DT sees the light.

i think to many holes to fill besides just offensive line or defensive line

i would try at least to fill or draft at least 2 offensive linemen that had a chance to help , and one big DE to help out, along with a safety and hopefully a big bruising fullback