Cowboys OL Review vs SF

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Weems:
He really was not that bad. He and Collins misplayed a stunt that resulted in a sack, but Weems didn't really have a chance, IMO, because Colllins didn't slow his guy down before the switch off. They did manage to handle the same type of stunt later in the game with no problem.

Weems blocking was not pretty at times, but he managed to stay between the defender and the QB on passing plays. He did allow some pressure, but he was not allowing free shots on the QB. There were some plays where he was a little behind the defender off the snap but he managed to ride them either inside or outside past the QB.

He did get called for holding but it was a marginal call where he pushed the defender to the ground and just kept his hand on the defender for 1 count too long. In the old days they called that a pancake block but they often call holding these days when the OL takes the defender to the ground.

His run blocking was decent and sometimes really good.

Weems is not in the best situation. He is playing LT next to a rookie LG. I would really like to see him at RT next to Martin for a half just to see what he could do there.

Collins:
The physical part come easy to him. Even when he does not play proper technique, he has the strength and natural balance to recover from it. He can bully defenders at times with his power.

The issue is that he still makes many rookie mistakes. He needs to continue to work on how to handle twist stunts and sometimes he just blocks the wrong defender in the run game.

I still think he could play RT but reports indicate they don't want to overwhelm him at this point.

Gibson:
He didn't play last week but finally got some action late in the SF game. He is raw but he actually looked decent at RT. Physically he has really quick feet and appears to be strong. He did pancake defenders a couple of times.

He didn't really see much if any stunts or blitzes which is probably where he would have the most trouble. He basically just had to block the guy in front of him which he did fairly well.

Wetzel:
Somewhat opposite of a guy like Gibson. For a young player he seems to generally know what to do and his technique is usually decent; however, he is just not overly talented physically. He is neither overly strong or quick. I expect to see him on the practice squad again this year.

Dill:
Just not a good player. He seems to know what he should be doing but just can't do it.

Others:
I didn't focus on the other OLinemen.
 

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I'd like to see Weems with the other four starters in the game to really evaluate him. I realize that won't happen unless something bad happens.
 

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Glad that you take the time for our benefit, X. Thanks...

Collins likes a long approach to his block downfield, and it appeared to me that he would pass up a run springing opportunity which ended some runs behind him.
 

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Collins got walked back by Lawrence Okoye a couple of plays. It surprised me to see him on skates like that.

Weems didn't play badly at all. Dill should be released ASAP - nothing left to see, or worth attempting to develop. He's underpowered, can't play with knee bend at all, and is not athletic enough. Wetzel isn't much better.
 
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I agree with all your observations. I thought 62 looked good at times as well.
 

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I would think learning to handle twists and stunts would be one of the harder things for oline
I would like to see Weems with starts this week
I assume the starters will play first half and come out for second half
Msybe have Weems on left side a quarter then right side, both with the rest of the starters
Weems is gonna be the swing tackle do not only does he need the reps I would think the staff would want to see him with better players around him
 

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Collins got walked back by Lawrence Okoye a couple of plays. It surprised me to see him on skates like that.

This doesn't really concern me. Most rookies with big upside get better following mistakes. Collins just needs to work at his technique. His strength is already amazing and he's likely going to be able to get even stronger.
 

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Weems:
He really was not that bad. He and Collins misplayed a stunt that resulted in a sack, but Weems didn't really have a chance, IMO, because Colllins didn't slow his guy down before the switch off. They did manage to handle the same type of stunt later in the game with no problem.

Weems blocking was not pretty at times, but he managed to stay between the defender and the QB on passing plays. He did allow some pressure, but he was not allowing free shots on the QB. There were some plays where he was a little behind the defender off the snap but he managed to ride them either inside or outside past the QB.

He did get called for holding but it was a marginal call where he pushed the defender to the ground and just kept his hand on the defender for 1 count too long. In the old days they called that a pancake block but they often call holding these days when the OL takes the defender to the ground.

His run blocking was decent and sometimes really good.

Weems is not in the best situation. He is playing LT next to a rookie LG. I would really like to see him at RT next to Martin for a half just to see what he could do there.

Collins:
The physical part come easy to him. Even when he does not play proper technique, he has the strength and natural balance to recover from it. He can bully defenders at times with his power.

The issue is that he still makes many rookie mistakes. He needs to continue to work on how to handle twist stunts and sometimes he just blocks the wrong defender in the run game.

I still think he could play RT but reports indicate they don't want to overwhelm him at this point.

No mater what anyone thinks of Weems, I believe we plan to head into the season with him as the swing tackle. I think Collins shows enough "rookie" issues that Dallas isn't going to rush playing him at tackle, if there's any plan to play him there at all other than what we heard in OTAs.

Like you, I thought Weems was better in this game ... then I read reports that said he was worse. I wasn't really going to comment on it until I had a chance to go back and take another look. Obviously, he's not on Parnell's level as a backup, but I want to see more before pushing the panic button. Long term, Green and possibly Gibson will probably end up being better options, but Weems might can be a patch until they are ready, or until Dallas sees the need to put Collins at tackle.
 

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Collins got walked back by Lawrence Okoye a couple of plays. It surprised me to see him on skates like that.

Weems didn't play badly at all. Dill should be released ASAP - nothing left to see, or worth attempting to develop. He's underpowered, can't play with knee bend at all, and is not athletic enough. Wetzel isn't much better.

As far as future football employment goes, I think that Dill will find himself in a pickle.
 

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I could see Collins riding the bench this year. He's flashing potential to be dominant sooner than later but we're probably better going off with the safe bet in Leary. And I don't see them shelling out the money for Leary after this year so Collins will definitely be the starting LG next year. That leaves a hole at RT. I really like the potential of Gibson but he's still a few years away and has a lot of work to do. I really wish we could see Chaz Green so we'd have a better idea about what our RT situation will look like.
 

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I didn't stay focused on Gibson but for the couple of plays I watched he seemed ok at Right Tackle.
 

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Dill is the worst lineman we have suited up in a long time. He can't run block or pass block. In pass protection he struggles with speed rushers, bull rushes or really any move at all. He isnt even a practice squad talent. Game 3 will be his last chance in an NFL uniform.
 

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Dill is the worst lineman we have suited up in a long time. He can't run block or pass block. In pass protection he struggles with speed rushers, bull rushes or really any move at all. He isnt even a practice squad talent. Game 3 will be his last chance in an NFL uniform.

Yeah, he probably wouldn't have been an such an eyesore so much if Green & the starters were healthy. The plan had to be to have Green and Weems as the #2 team and then Wetzel and either Dill or Gibson running 3rd team. Dill could probably kick in with Gibson in there.
 

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I thought Weems was terrible (and I had been a fan previously). He was routinely beaten and quickly. The holding wasn't marginal at all, he spun the guy to the ground. Weems played versus a number of back ups and still got pushed back or gave up the edge. He did look better as the game went on but he couldn't have looked worse and he started playing back ups. I actually thought Collins had it tough because he was playing with a bad LT.

Gibson didn't play until late. By then it is hard to judge anything as the other guys are getting cut but he wasn't beaten and we finally started gaining rushing yardage.

Dill was really bad.

Wetzel is clearly ahead of Gibson on the depth chart but you don't want him in real games right now.
 

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Dill is the worst lineman we have suited up in a long time. He can't run block or pass block. In pass protection he struggles with speed rushers, bull rushes or really any move at all. He isnt even a practice squad talent. Game 3 will be his last chance in an NFL uniform.

Tucker , pettiti and that scrub that cost us the Washington game few years back come to mind :)
 
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