Cowboys OL under Sparano was one of the NFL most penalized from 2004 to 2007

[AdamJT13]

Was that really a coaches issue? Or is it that we had a rotating line for the first couple of years with bad tackle play.

Well, Sparano did say it was OK for a player to commit one or two penalties a game.

When your offensive line coach tells players that penalties aren't necessarily a bad thing, that might suggest that a high number of penalties is at least partly a coaching issue.

 

[khiladi]

If it weren't for the fact that he had such beasts as OL, he'd be exposed as a sorry coach...

 

[theebs]

If it weren't for the fact that he had such beasts as OL, he'd be exposed as a sorry coach...

Nice try. Do you even think before you post sometimes or do you just hate parcells so much that everything he was involved with you just shoot down with talking points.

He coached our Tight ends in 03 and 04. Go check their stats. Witten broke records in 04 and was the top rookie tight end in 03. He did a very good job with our tight ends.

He also got alot of production out of his tight ends in 2002 in jacksonville.

The man is a good coach. The dolphins will be a successful team in the near future.

 

[theebs]

Well, Sparano did say it was OK for a player to commit one or two penalties a game.

When your offensive line coach tells players that penalties aren't necessarily a bad thing, that might suggest that a high number of penalties is at least partly a coaching issue.

That comment can be taken different ways. Because my brain tells me if a tackle is beat and his quarterback is about to get killed, the better alternative is to hold or trip, take the penalty yards and live to fight another down. Otherwise just letting the player go and kill your quarterback is pretty lazy.

I am pretty sure that is what his comment was from. And again. IN 05 he had a line in shambles to deal with. 2006 and 2007 the line was good. I think we should be running the ball better but I am not so sure you can put that on the coach.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I dont care who you got coaching Flozell Adams he is going to account for a lot of penalties.

I do wonder about that... time will tell I guess.... Colombo seemed have his share... maybe we can cut down on his... Flo I dunno

 

[AdamJT13]

That comment can be taken different ways. Because my brain tells me if a tackle is beat and his quarterback is about to get killed, the better alternative is to hold or trip, take the penalty yards and live to fight another down. Otherwise just letting the player go and kill your quarterback is pretty lazy.

I am pretty sure that is what his comment was from. And again. IN 05 he had a line in shambles to deal with. 2006 and 2007 the line was good. I think we should be running the ball better but I am not so sure you can put that on the coach.

I'll try to find the actual quote, but I don't think he was specifying holding penalties to protect the quarterback. I think he was talking about how he could live with one or two penalties a game if a guy is a great blocker, or something to that effect.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Our running game has not been good for a long time. You need consistency across the line in order to create seams and we just havent had that.

Sparano is a passing coach. Our blitz pickups and hot reads have been superb and I think in that Sparano will be sorely missed.

That is actually one concern of mine. I realize that we no longer had the horses but i also remember that in 96-97 our pass protection was bad and Aikman was getting killed.

 

[khiladi]

Nice try. Do you even think before you post sometimes or do you just hate parcells so much that everything he was involved with you just shoot down with talking points.

He coached our Tight ends in 03 and 04. Go check their stats. Witten broke records in 04 and was the top rookie tight end in 03. He did a very good job with our tight ends.

He also got alot of production out of his tight ends in 2002 in jacksonville.

The man is a good coach. The dolphins will be a successful team in the near future.

Kyle Brady was a first round draft pick and had only 40 catches. 2003, he had only 30 catches. Pete Mitchell had 25 receptions. How is that great production? You act like Jason Witten is some average tight-end that needed the guiding light of Tony Sparano to coach him to bring him to his potential. Hell, I could coach Jason Witten and get 60 catches out of a year with him.

And what does that have to do with our offensive line? The fact that Sparano had the biggest offensive line in the league, and they couldn't run block worth a damn is enough to tell you the guy can't coach... Hell, look at the difference between Marion Barber and Julius Jones. Everytime Jones was expecting a hole, it wasn't there. Barber on the other hand had to continually bounce his runs to the outside. That line couldn't get any push aginst the Patriots in the freaking end-zone. Don't forget that part of what contributed to Tony Sparano even looking good in pass blocking was because Tony Romo's pocket presence. When Bledsoe was in last year, it was all about how the offensive line wasn't blocking. Despite the fact that Bledsoe is a statue, people were wondering what was wrong with the offensive line because Bledsoe wasn't getting any time to throw the ball.

One more time:

The offensive line was penalized consistently during his tenure here. He sucked...

 

[theebs]

Kyle Brady was a first round draft pick and had only 40 catches. 2003, he had only 30 catches. Pete Mitchell had 25 receptions. How is that great production? You act like Jason Witten is some average tight-end that needed the guiding light of Tony Sparano to coach him to bring him to his potential. Hell, I could caoch Jason Witten and get 60 catches out of a year with him.

And what does that have to do with our offensive line? The fact that Sparano had the biggest offensive line in the league, and they couldn't run block worth a damn is enough to tell you the guy can't coach... Hell, look at the difference between Marion Barber and Julius Jones... Barber was good because he created on his own, while Julius Jones needs holes and never had one... Don't forget that part of what contributed to him even looking good in pass blocking was because Tony Romo's pocket presence... When Bledsoe was in last year, it was all about how the offensive line wasn't blocking, despite the fact that Bledsoe is a statue, people were wondering what was wrong with the offensive line...

Kyle brady and Dan Campbell had a rep for being the two best blocking tight ends in the league. Both were coached by Tony Sporano.

So Tony Sporano had nothing to do with the development of Jason Witten? That is interesting.

Apparently we need no coaching. Shoot Just let em show up and play.

The hierarchy of this organization has already shifted to the point where players go to jerry again and not the coaches, all credit goes to jerry. That is a dangerous mindset.

I guess that is a good thing though since our coaches have stunk, according to you.

 

[khiladi]

Kyle brady and Dan Campbell had a rep for being the two best blocking tight ends in the league. Both were coached by Tony Sporano.

Your the one that brough up the coaching at Jacksonville and Brady nabbed only 40 receptions. He was a first round draft pick. How is that getting production out of your tight-end? Dan Campbell's best year was with the Giants, when Tony Sparano was NOT coaching him. That is when Kerry Collins and Tiki Barber had their best seasons. He was already recognized as an outstanding blocker before Sporano.

And guess what you forgot to mention? His prior stint to coaching 1 year with the Commanders and the next year at Jacksonville was at Cleveland, where he was the OL coach. He got demoted after that season to TE coach. Considering they averaged only 68 yards on the ground, yeah, he really isn't that good of an offensive line coach.

What has Sparano done other than average? I'm confused, because your claiming he has a great track-record when his track-record is like any average joe-schmoe in the league...

So Tony Sporano had nothing to do with the development of Jason Witten? That is interesting.

Are you saying that Jason Witten isn't one of the most talented TEs in the game? Can you coach talent? Considering his track record, I'll give the nod to the talent that is Jason Witten then give credit to Tony Sparano.

Apparently we need no coaching. Shoot Just let em show up and play.

The hierarchy of this organization has already shifted to the point where players go to jerry again and not the coaches, all credit goes to jerry. That is a dangerous mindset.

Oh, so now I'm arguing it isn't about coaching, when I'm saying Sparano is over-rated and wasted the talent at offensive live? What does the biggest offensive line in the league mean, when your ground game sucks? You have Flozell and Leonard Davis, dominant OL and they can't get a push. Please... Considering I believe Houck is probably the best OL coach in the game and I'm extremely ecstatic about getting him and think it is one of the biggest moves of the off-season, I'm quite aware that coaching has it's significance.. I'll take Houcks' track record over Sparano's any day of the week. Prior to Tony Romo saving the day, the offensive line was considered a joke with Bledsoe in the pocket.

I guess that is a good thing though since our coaches have stunk, according to you.

Keep attacking a straw-man...

 

[theebs]

Your the one that brough up the coaching at Jacksonville and Brady nabbed only 40 receptions. He was a first round draft pick. How is that getting production out of your tight-end? Dan Campbell's best year was with the Giants, when Tony Sparano was NOT coaching him. That is when Kerry Collins and Tiki Barber had their best seasons. He was already recognized as an outstanding blocker before Sporano. What has he done other than average?

And guess what you forgot to mention? His prior stint to coaching 1 year with the Commanders and the next year at Jacksonville was at Cleveland, where he was the OL coach. He got demoted after that season to TE coach. Considering they averaged only 68 yards on the ground, yeah, he really isn't that good of an offensive line coach.



Are you saying that Jason Witten isn't one of the most talented TEs in the game? Can you coach talent? Considering his track record, I'll give the nod to the talent that is Jason Witten then give credit to Tony Sparano.



Oh, so now I'm arguing it isn't about coaching, when I'm saying Sparano is over-rated and wasted the talent at offensive live? What does the biggest offensive line in the league mean, when your ground game sucks? You have Flozell and Leonard Davis, dominant OL and they can't get a push. Please... Considering I believe Houck is probably the best OL coach in the game and I'm extremely ecstatic about getting him and think it is one of the biggest moves of the off-season, I'm quite aware that coaching has it's significance.. I'll take Houcks' track record over Sparano's any day of the week. Prior to Tony Romo saving the day, the offensive line was considered a joke with Bledsoe in the pocket.




Keep attacking a straw-man...

I know all about Tony Sporano's career. Thanks. There was no point in bringing up cleveland because I wouldnt exactly say that team had talent that would do much of anything. He was a quality control coach in 99 by the way, not the o-line coach until 2000. Want to get his numbers when he was the head coach at new haven too? Or howbout boston university where his lines excelled. I mean he was the div II coach of the year twice.


and just for good measure brady had his second best season under sporano and pete mitchell had his best season to that point under sporano, oh and Jax was fifth in the league in rushing in case u wondered.


Jason Witten is extremely talented, but seeing that he only played tight end for a couple of years in college starting as an end, I would say the coaching he received here was important and good. HIgh talent in the player and in the coach brings success.

Hey if your point is the guy stinks that is fine. We will find out in Miami. I seem to remember many nfl people giving him high praise for a multitude of things as a coach.

But I know he was hired by parcells so he sucks.

 

[dcfanatic]

I think we can all agree Flozell will be getting some false starts no matter who the O Line coach is in Dallas.

Davis had a few of those as well last year.

The presnap stuff is the killers because the holding, hands to the face and even the tripping one they call every now and again are just things that happen in the spur of the moment. But the presnap ones are just a lack of discipline for the most part.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Was that really a coaches issue? Or is it that we had a rotating line for the first couple of years with bad tackle play.

Now we have columbo and flo who jump a bunch. With the amount of offensive snaps this team has taken in the last two years It probably is not that many penalties.

I don't think so, outside of Flozell and Kosier, who are very good, the rest of the line is just average run-blocking, can't really say about Davis though

in pass-protection Kosier had a down year

 

[WoodysGirl]

7. Dallas Cowboys offensive tackles Marc Columbo and Flozell Adams both finished in the top five of the league for false starts last year.

Columbo's 10 false starts put him in a tie for the most in the league along with Raiders offensive tackle Barry Sims. Detroit Lions offensive tackle George Foster tied Adams for second place, as did Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive guard Arron Sears.

Out of those five players it's easiest to overlook the mistakes by Sears, a second-round pick out of Tennessee, when you consider the fact that he was a 16-game starter as a rookie in 2007.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8200580/7-Points:-Titans-shopping-for-another-running-back

 

[khiladi]

I know all about Tony Sporano's career. Thanks. There was no point in bringing up cleveland because I wouldnt exactly say that team had talent that would do much of anything.

This is a forum and if your going to rbing up details about Tony Sparano, than I too am... And there definitely was a point in bringing up Cleveland... He got fired in one year as an OL coach, and if management thought he did a half-way decent job they would have kept him... And further, here we have Dallas, loaded with talent and the guy still sucks in teaching run-blocking... His line kept getting penalized which signals nothing but lack of discipline..

He was a quality control coach in 99 by the way, not the o-line coach until 2000. Want to get his numbers when he was the head coach at new haven too? Or howbout boston university where his lines excelled. I mean he was the div II coach of the year twice.

When did I say 1999? The point is, he was demoted to TE coach after his one year stint as an OL coach... And I'm sure there are many successful Pee Wee coaches who couldn't coach a lick when they move up to middle school and then high school... So what if Tony Sparano coached in New Haven and di well? He flat out sucked in the NFL? I mean the only statistics your brining up is related to TEs? Laughable.. TEs that caught 40 passes and 20 passes underneat him.. A TE by the name of Dan Campbell who was already known as a staunch blocker before TS even got to him... As far as Boston, I'm not familiar with his track record there, but you brining up Kyle Brady and other TEs to demonstrate your point gives me a clue that he didn't do that much...


Where is this impressive OL you keep speaking about?

and just for good measure brady had his second best season under sporano and pete mitchell had his best season to that point under sporano, oh and Jax was fifth in the league in rushing in case u wondered.

Wow... 40 receptions.. Impressive... What is that with Mitchell? 20 receptions... That's a real impact on the football field...

Jason Witten is extremely talented, but seeing that he only played tight end for a couple of years in college starting as an end, I would say the coaching he received here was important and good. HIgh talent in the player and in the coach brings success.

Or it could just mean he is damn talented and Sparano really didn't do much at all, considering his track record.. Since when did TS have a TE that caught over 50 passes other than the great Jason Witten? Yeah, I think it's talent...

Hey if your point is the guy stinks that is fine. We will find out in Miami. I seem to remember many nfl people giving him high praise for a multitude of things as a coach.

But I know he was hired by parcells so he sucks.

Of course he sucks and he couldn't touch Hudson Houck, who dwarfs the bum... One more time:

Biggest Offensive line in the league, with the likes of Leonard Davis and Flozell Adams and they couldn't run block... Maybe Sparano was good at pass blocking because it's hard to get around huge tackles.. I think you just like him because of Parcells...

 

[theebs]

This is a forum and if your going to rbing up details about Tony Sparano, than I too am... And there definitely was a point in bringing up Cleveland... He got fired in one year as an OL coach, and if management thought he did a half-way decent job they would have kept him... And further, here we have Dallas, loaded with talent and the guy still sucks in teaching run-blocking... His line kept getting penalized which signals nothing but lack of discipline..



When did I say 1999? The point is, he was demoted to TE coach after his one year stint as an OL coach... And I'm sure there are many successful Pee Wee coaches who couldn't coach a lick when they move up to middle school and then high school... So what if Tony Sparano coached in New Haven and di well? He flat out sucked in the NFL? I mean the only statistics your brining up is related to TEs? Laughable.. TEs that caught 40 passes and 20 passes underneat him.. A TE by the name of Dan Campbell who was already known as a staunch blocker before TS even got to him... As far as Boston, I'm not familiar with his track record there, but you brining up Kyle Brady and other TEs to demonstrate your point gives me a clue that he didn't do that much...


Where is this impressive OL you keep speaking about?

Wow... 40 receptions.. Impressive... What is that with Mitchell? 20 receptions... That's a real impact on the football field...



Or it could just mean he is damn talented and Sparano really didn't do much at all, considering his track record.. Since when did TS have a TE that caught over 50 passes other than the great Jason Witten? Yeah, I think it's talent...

Of course he sucks and he couldn't touch Hudson Houck, who dwarfs the bum... One more time:

Biggest Offensive line in the league, with the likes of Leonard Davis and Flozell Adams and they couldn't run block... Maybe Sparano was good at pass blocking because it's hard to get around huge tackles.. I think you just like him because of Parcells...

ok dude. You need to check your facts though. He was a quality control coach with cleveland in 99 and then the o-line coach in 2000.

Off the top of my head I cant remember but did he get fired alone in 2000 or did Chris palmer's whole staff go that year? I cant remember.

and again jacksonville was fifth in rushing. He had something to do with that. Just like John Garret had alot to do with this teams offensive improvements this year.

I wont bother with this anymore. I know you hate him and all of parcells staff and if you cant even get simple facts correct the rest is a big waste of time.

 

[khiladi]

ok dude. You need to check your facts though. He was a quality control coach with cleveland in 99 and then the o-line coach in 2000.

You need to learn how to read? When did I say he was the OL coach for Cleveland in 1999, dude? I said the following:

And guess what you forgot to mention? His prior stint to coaching 1 year with the Commanders and the next year at Jacksonville was at Cleveland, where he was the OL coach. He got demoted after that season to TE coach. Considering they averaged only 68 yards on the ground, yeah, he really isn't that good of an offensive line coach.

He went to the Commanders as a tight-end coach, pretty much signifying a demotion.

and again jacksonville was fifth in rushing. He had something to do with that. Just like John Garret had alot to do with this teams offensive improvements this year.

And Sparano was a TE coach there, not the OL coach... Since when was Sparano in charge of the running game at Jacksonville? Your analogies are totally off-the-wall...

I wont bother with this anymore. I know you hate him and all of parcells staff and if you cant even get simple facts correct the rest is a big waste of time.

You have no argument. Sparano hasn't done a single thing that is impressive in this league. The most one can say is he was average.

The claim I got none of the facts right is baseless. Plus, we know you love him because he was part of the staff of Parcells...

One more time for you:

He had the largest line in the league, made up of Pro Bowl OL, including Leonard Davis, Gurode, and Flozell ADams... Yet, he couldn't establish any effective run blocking schemes... That is just plain weak... He is lucky he had Barber who single-handedly, by sheer force of will, often made yards out of nothing... JJ on the other hand kept running into the back of OL-men thinking that there was going to be awesome person, which there wasn't...

 

[Boysboy]

I was never a huge Sparano fan - wasn't sorry to see him go at all - and to replace him with Houck was just gravy.

Me too-as for pass blocking, I thought he got the entire unit to play outstanding.

But nonetheless-the penalties just killed us throughout his tenure. Remember the Vikings game-the down before Romo's fumble that resulted in a Vikes' TD, Columbo jumped offsides when we were only 4 yards away from the endzone.

Even a FEW lost yards in the redzone can change your playcalling DRAMATICALLY-like it did on that drive.

 

[CF74]

False start Floee and his dang hearing aide!!