COWBOYS SIX DRAFT TENDENCIES AND TELLS

[BrAinPaiNt]

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• 1. At an almost 80% clip, Dallas trades their first-round pick. Up, down, out of the first… the majority of the time Dallas will not select where they were originally slotted.

• 2. Dallas will do everything they can in the first round, and sometimes subsequent picks, to draft the “Best Player In The Draft At His Position”.

• 3. Dallas has waited until the second year of a new defensive coordinator to flood the defense with draft picks.

• 4. ”Jerry Poppins” talk does not extend to draft plans. The team is unabashedly honest about their draft plans, through the media.

• 5. Dallas uses their Valley Ranch visits very wisely, and will most often select players throughout the draft that visit team headquarters through the 30 National invites of Dallas Day visits.

• 6. Follow the money. Over past several seasons, Dallas has focused on positions that will eventually replace high salaries, or players in line for big pay increases.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is about the only thing that I agree and have personally noted the past few years and it applies to every coach going back to Parcells.

Dallas uses their Valley Ranch visits very wisely, and will most often select players throughout the draft that visit team headquarters through the 30 National invites of Dallas Day visits.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If the full article holds true and getting the best player at a position is a true tell there are only a couple of positions where we would be able to get would could be argued as the best player at a position. The other is someone we have had come in and looked at.

QB No - The top two QBs will be gone plus we have not talked to either unless it was to request a medical on Winston.
WR No - The top two WRs will be gone plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.
TE - Top TE might be available but I doubt we draft Max plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.
OL - Chances are the top OT and OG will be gone...top C might be available but I don't think we go OL in the first again so it is moot. Plus we have not met with the top C, OT or OG to my knowledge.

DE - No the top DEs (whether regular DE or 3-4 OLB rushers) will be gone although it has been reported we talked to Fowler, Beasley and Dupree.
DT - No...Maybe Malcom Brown falls but I doubt it but most top DTs will be gone like Leonard, Shelton plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.

The four possibilities of positions where the top player is available...

RB - If Gordon or Gurley fall...either one could be argued to be the best (whether you or I think they are). But chances are both are gone but we have talked with them. Although I guess they could argue that they believe Ajayi or Coleman is the best back if the took one of them.

CB - Waynes should be gone...another CB or two should also be gone. I guess they could argue that the guy they take would be the one they thought was the best CB in the draft but chances are that would be a stretch.

Safety - Most rankings agree that Landon Collins is the top Safety. I don't think the Cowboys have talked to him.
However there are reports that they like the Damarious Randall and Eric Rowe(CB that some view as a possibly safety) I guess they could argue that Damarious is the best safety in the draft but I don't think they would take him in the first round. I have seen a few mocks that have Rowe in the first but I don't know if they view him as a first round safety but who knows.

Most realistic one that would fall under the best player of his position that we would draft and have visited with....

ILB Eric Kendricks - He might fall to us (that is debatable), I think he would be considered the top ILB, we have visited with him (multiple times if believed) and if he signed we only have short term contracts for Rolando and a few of the other LBs they brought in this offseason.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This is about the only thing that I agree and have personally noted the past few years and it applies to every coach going back to Parcells.

That...and if you read the article about trying to take the best player at their position and it makes a strong argument for that one.

The other stuff (loading up on defense in the second year) is a reach IMO.

Although The Jerry Speak could be true as well but the problem is that although Jerry may tell the truth when you look back at it, he also has said stuff to cover all bases so that is not a stretch.

 

[Teague31]

This is about the only thing that I agree and have personally noted the past few years and it applies to every coach going back to Parcells.

And they paid a steep price when they ignored that to draft Mo

 

[Sasquatch]

If the full article holds true and getting the best player at a position is a true tell there are only a couple of positions where we would be able to get would could be argued as the best player at a position. The other is someone we have had come in and looked at.

QB No - The top two QBs will be gone plus we have not talked to either unless it was to request a medical on Winston.
WR No - The top two WRs will be gone plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.
TE - Top TE might be available but I doubt we draft Max plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.
OL - Chances are the top OT and OG will be gone...top C might be available but I don't think we go OL in the first again so it is moot. Plus we have not met with the top C, OT or OG to my knowledge.

DE - No the top DEs (whether regular DE or 3-4 OLB rushers) will be gone although it has been reported we talked to Fowler, Beasley and Dupree.
DT - No...Maybe Malcom Brown falls but I doubt it but most top DTs will be gone like Leonard, Shelton plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.

The three possibilities of positions where the top player is available...

RB - If Gordon or Gurley fall...either one could be argued to be the best (whether you or I think they are). But chances are both are gone but we have talked with them. Although I guess they could argue that they believe Ajayi or Coleman is the best back if the took one of them.

CB - Waynes should be gone...another CB or two should also be gone. I guess they could argue that the guy they take would be the one they thought was the best CB in the draft but chances are that would be a stretch.

Most realistic one that would fall under the best player of his position that we would draft and have visited with....

ILB Eric Kendricks - He might fall to us (that is debatable), I think he would be considered the top ILB, we have visited with him (multiple times if believed) and if he signed we only have short term contracts for Rolando and a few of the other LBs they brought in this offseason.

Good list but you forgot safety. I would also think that our highest rated RT and G might be available when we pick. Does "best" at the position necessarily mean a single player or player from a positional group that has the highest rating along with other players (example: three WRs have the same grade, two go before us, we draft the third because he is the "best" player in the group)? Hope that last question makes sense.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Good list but you forgot safety.

Good list but you forgot safety. I would also think that our highest rated RT and G might be available when we pick. Does "best" at the position necessarily mean a single player or player from a positional group that has the highest rating along with other players (example: three WRs have the same grade, two go before us, we draft the third because he is the "best" player in the group)? Hope that last question makes sense.

Good catch...updated

 

[xwalker]

Read the full article... http://dal.scout.com/story/1501993-cowboys-six-draft-tendencies-and-tells
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http://dal.scout.com/story/1501993-cowboys-six-draft-tendencies-and-tells

1. At an almost 80% clip, Dallas trades their first-round pick. Up, down, out of the first… the majority of the time Dallas will not select where they were originally slotted.
This one is true.

2. Dallas will do everything they can in the first round, and sometimes subsequent picks, to draft the “Best Player In The Draft At His Position”.
I don't think they conscientiously thought "we should take a Guard over X position" because the #1 Guard is available.

It did happen with Tyron, Dez, Fred, Martin and Claiborne but I think it was coincidence more than a plan.

3. Dallas has waited until the second year of a new defensive coordinator to flood the defense with draft picks.
I could see them not wanting to go heavy in the 1st year of a D-Coordinator's tenure on defense because they want to make certain what type of players are needed; however, I think the main issue with that was that RR went directly to Jerry and campaigned for players, especially CBs.

4. ”Jerry Poppins” talk does not extend to draft plans. The team is unabashedly honest about their draft plans, through the media.
This seems to be true but they could be throwing a name or two in the mix that they really didn't plan on drafting and we would never know.

5. Dallas uses their Valley Ranch visits very wisely, and will most often select players throughout the draft that visit team headquarters through the 30 National invites of Dallas Day visits.
The facts indicate this is true; however, it does not indicate that just because a player visited that he is definitely someone they will draft. They could be taking a closer look at some players before taking them off their board like Frank Clark.

6. Follow the money. Over past several seasons, Dallas has focused on positions that will eventually replace high salaries, or players in line for big pay increases.
I don't see any proof of this one. I don't think they were planning to replace Witten anytime soon when they drafted Escobar. Ware was already gone and they had a huge need at DE when they drafted Lawrence. The team has the choice on what position they will put on the card and they put down Guard for Martin. Miles Austin just couldn't play anymore due to constant injuries and T. Williams was highly rated on their board.

 

[UncleOscar]

1. At an almost 80% clip, Dallas trades their first-round pick. Up, down, out of the first… the majority of the time Dallas will not select where they were originally slotted.
This one is true.
I wonder if this might moderate a bit now that Jerry has been iced by Stephen, Will and Jason?

2. Dallas will do everything they can in the first round, and sometimes subsequent picks, to draft the “Best Player In The Draft At His Position”.
I don't think they conscientiously thought "we should take a Guard over X position" because the #1 Guard is available.
It did happen with Tyron, Dez, Fred, Martin and Claiborne but I think it was coincidence more than a plan.

3. Dallas has waited until the second year of a new defensive coordinator to flood the defense with draft picks.
I could see them not wanting to go heavy in the 1st year of a D-Coordinator's tenure on defense because they want to make certain what type of players are needed; however, I think the main issue with that was that RR went directly to Jerry and campaigned for players, especially CBs.
Last year was Marinelli's first year as the actual DC, but his second year with the team and in his first year he was basically Co-DC with the old senile guy.

4. ”Jerry Poppins” talk does not extend to draft plans. The team is unabashedly honest about their draft plans, through the media.
This seems to be true but they could be throwing a name or two in the mix that they really didn't plan on drafting and we would never know.

5. Dallas uses their Valley Ranch visits very wisely, and will most often select players throughout the draft that visit team headquarters through the 30 National invites of Dallas Day visits.
The facts indicate this is true; however, it does not indicate that just because a player visited that he is definitely someone they will draft. They could be taking a closer look at some players before taking them off their board like Frank Clark.
I wonder if other teams more often draft the players that make visits? I'm not so sure the Cowboys have a lock on this.

6. Follow the money. Over past several seasons, Dallas has focused on positions that will eventually replace high salaries, or players in line for big pay increases.
I don't see any proof of this one. I don't think they were planning to replace Witten anytime soon when they drafted Escobar. Ware was already gone and they had a huge need at DE when they drafted Lawrence. The team has the choice on what position they will put on the card and they put down Guard for Martin. Miles Austin just couldn't play anymore due to constant injuries and T. Williams was highly rated on their board.
Again, I wonder if the clearer thinking of Stephen, Will and Jason have something to do with this?

 

[tyke1doe]

Good list but you forgot safety. I would also think that our highest rated RT and G might be available when we pick. Does "best" at the position necessarily mean a single player or player from a positional group that has the highest rating along with other players (example: three WRs have the same grade, two go before us, we draft the third because he is the "best" player in the group)? Hope that last question makes sense.

It does.

 

[xwalker]

1. At an almost 80% clip, Dallas trades their first-round pick. Up, down, out of the first… the majority of the time Dallas will not select where they were originally slotted.
This one is true.
I wonder if this might moderate a bit now that Jerry has been iced by Stephen, Will and Jason?

2. Dallas will do everything they can in the first round, and sometimes subsequent picks, to draft the “Best Player In The Draft At His Position”.
I don't think they conscientiously thought "we should take a Guard over X position" because the #1 Guard is available.
It did happen with Tyron, Dez, Fred, Martin and Claiborne but I think it was coincidence more than a plan.

3. Dallas has waited until the second year of a new defensive coordinator to flood the defense with draft picks.
I could see them not wanting to go heavy in the 1st year of a D-Coordinator's tenure on defense because they want to make certain what type of players are needed; however, I think the main issue with that was that RR went directly to Jerry and campaigned for players, especially CBs.
Last year was Marinelli's first year as the actual DC, but his second year with the team and in his first year he was basically Co-DC with the old senile guy.

4. ”Jerry Poppins” talk does not extend to draft plans. The team is unabashedly honest about their draft plans, through the media.
This seems to be true but they could be throwing a name or two in the mix that they really didn't plan on drafting and we would never know.

5. Dallas uses their Valley Ranch visits very wisely, and will most often select players throughout the draft that visit team headquarters through the 30 National invites of Dallas Day visits.
The facts indicate this is true; however, it does not indicate that just because a player visited that he is definitely someone they will draft. They could be taking a closer look at some players before taking them off their board like Frank Clark.
I wonder if other teams more often draft the players that make visits? I'm not so sure the Cowboys have a lock on this.

6. Follow the money. Over past several seasons, Dallas has focused on positions that will eventually replace high salaries, or players in line for big pay increases.
I don't see any proof of this one. I don't think they were planning to replace Witten anytime soon when they drafted Escobar. Ware was already gone and they had a huge need at DE when they drafted Lawrence. The team has the choice on what position they will put on the card and they put down Guard for Martin. Miles Austin just couldn't play anymore due to constant injuries and T. Williams was highly rated on their board.
Again, I wonder if the clearer thinking of Stephen, Will and Jason have something to do with this?

Claiborne was a Jerry deal, IMO. They didn't go into that draft with that plan.

I think that Claiborne's failure might have helped Jerry realize he needed to step back and let Garrett/Stephen follow a process.

 

[darthseinfeld]

If the full article holds true and getting the best player at a position is a true tell there are only a couple of positions where we would be able to get would could be argued as the best player at a position. The other is someone we have had come in and looked at.

QB No - The top two QBs will be gone plus we have not talked to either unless it was to request a medical on Winston.
WR No - The top two WRs will be gone plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.
TE - Top TE might be available but I doubt we draft Max plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.
OL - Chances are the top OT and OG will be gone...top C might be available but I don't think we go OL in the first again so it is moot. Plus we have not met with the top C, OT or OG to my knowledge.

DE - No the top DEs (whether regular DE or 3-4 OLB rushers) will be gone although it has been reported we talked to Fowler, Beasley and Dupree.
DT - No...Maybe Malcom Brown falls but I doubt it but most top DTs will be gone like Leonard, Shelton plus we have not talked to them unless I missed it.

The four possibilities of positions where the top player is available...

RB - If Gordon or Gurley fall...either one could be argued to be the best (whether you or I think they are). But chances are both are gone but we have talked with them. Although I guess they could argue that they believe Ajayi or Coleman is the best back if the took one of them.

CB - Waynes should be gone...another CB or two should also be gone. I guess they could argue that the guy they take would be the one they thought was the best CB in the draft but chances are that would be a stretch.

Safety - Most rankings agree that Landon Collins is the top Safety. I don't think the Cowboys have talked to him.
However there are reports that they like the Damarious Randall and Eric Rowe(CB that some view as a possibly safety) I guess they could argue that Damarious is the best safety in the draft but I don't think they would take him in the first round. I have seen a few mocks that have Rowe in the first but I don't know if they view him as a first round safety but who knows.

Most realistic one that would fall under the best player of his position that we would draft and have visited with....

ILB Eric Kendricks - He might fall to us (that is debatable), I think he would be considered the top ILB, we have visited with him (multiple times if believed) and if he signed we only have short term contracts for Rolando and a few of the other LBs they brought in this offseason.

If we follow the traditon of the best player at there position, it could be HB where Gurley could fall to us, or LB where the rankings seem somewhat fluid but Kendricks or Thompson could be the pick