Cowboys Want Cowboys

[eromeopolk]

When you think of the land barons of the old Cowboy days, they kept a Trail Boss and everyone else was hired ranch hands disposable depending on cost.

That is the Cowboys current management style regarding personnel. The will pay the QB, RB (maybe), and WR. Every other position will be filled with draft choices and players worthy of a second contract (never a 3rd, the extend the second contract). Veteran Free Agents will be signed on the cheap to jump start a fallen career. Cowboys will sign or draft players coming off injury or arrest/suspension for risk reward.

Since 2010 this has been in place. 2010 is the year Cowboys drafted a arrest/suspension risk Dez Bryant, and coming off injury risk in Sean Lee with 1st and 2nd round picks. Consider Bruce Carter, Jaylon Smith, David Irving, Randy Gregory, Demarcus Lawrence, Orlando Scandrick, Jourdan Lewis, etc. Look at the free agents Allen Hurns (off injury), and Travon Austion (cheap fallen career), Also look at how many DL/OL free agents have come from another team's practice squad.

Earl Thomas has not been signed for a reason and the Cowboys are interested for a reason. He has not played a complete season in 3 years. Cowboys are waiting for the right kind of guy at the right kind of price for risk value reward. That is why he is not getting the safety money flying out the door in NFL free agency (see Collins, Mathieu, Gipson, etc.).

The good news is that Will McClay, VP of Player Personnel, is very good at his job of finding draft picks, practice squad players, and following orders to draft players coming off injury or arrest/suspension for risk reward. The hiring of Lionel Vital, Director of College Scouting, formerly under Bill Belichick, to team with long time Cowboy Scouts and Personnel men like Ciscowski, Garrett (Judd), and the young Alex Loomis (Saints President/GM son), allows the cheap risk reward ranch hand philosophy to work. This has been the strongest the Cowboys personnel department has been since Gil Brandt and Dave Mansberger/Cornell Green and Bob Ackles and John Wooten days.

Cowboys want ranch hands and not trail bosses. Jerry wants cowboys and he will market them into stars for fans to buy in if the price is right.

 

[cowboyec]

damn right.
'MERICA'S TEAM

 

[Sydla]

Ehhhh.

What?

 

[GenoT]

When you think of the land barons of the old Cowboy days, they kept a Trail Boss and everyone else was hired ranch hands disposable depending on cost.

You mean like 99% of all franchises in modern North American professional team-sports have usually done it?

 

[RodeoJake]

At least we ain't looking to have a team of Bills or Commanders

 

[Cowfan75]

Ehhhh.

What?

No clue.

Say, you hear about that big boxing match event at the stadjum this weekend? Jerry will be back from vacation by then.

 

[cowboy_ron]

At least we ain't looking to have a team of Bills or Commanders

Our FO is ranked right with these two FO's as far as incompetence goes.

 

[Mobinvans]

We are very good at being average

 

[PAPPYDOG]

We are very good at being average

We are good at making MONEY....beyond that mediocrity is pretty much what we are the last 24 years give or take......

Jerry has these fans of ours (Not All) thinking Dak will become a franchise QB.....just another example of Jerry's GM world and our demise from America's team to America's favorite laughing stock for them Boy's haters out there ......

 

[Silver Surfer]

I guess that's an effective business model if you're raising your product to just to have it get slaughtered.

 

[408Cowboy]

We are very good at being average

Too bad we can't all get rich from it.

 

[Big_D]

Good at finding injury risks? They amounted to nothing. Lee is on his last leg. Scandrick gone, bruce carter long gone, Irving and Gregory a complete waste of time. When does the philosophy actually start working. Cause right now I see cases where this team drafts headcases way too early while many solid football players are still on the board. Makes no sense at all. Looking for that splash. Jerry trying to knock it out of the park. It's not working. If you're good at that, then you should be good at finding healthy players who aren't dumazzes. Specially in round 2 of the draft. You should take these gambles once in awhile. Not make them a regular occurrence.

 

[John813]

Good at finding injury risks? They amounted to nothing. Lee is on his last leg. Scandrick gone, bruce carter long gone, Irving and Gregory a complete waste of time. When does the philosophy actually start working. Cause right now I see cases where this team drafts headcases way too early while many solid football players are still on the board. Makes no sense at all. Looking for that splash. Jerry trying to knock it out of the park. It's not working. If you're good at that, then you should be good at finding healthy players who aren't dumazzes. Specially in round 2 of the draft. You should take these gambles once in awhile. Not make them a regular occurrence.

If anything, guys like Irving were worth the risk since he cost them very little $ wise and nothing draft pick wise.
They got burned on Gregory, as some guys get popped at the draft for a failed test but go straight edge/don't fail another test. Unfortunately Gregory had a lot more demons in his closet than I'm sure the Cowboys were expecting.

The only guy paying off now is Jaylon Smith.

 

[Big_D]

If anything, guys like Irving were worth the risk since he cost them very little $ wise and nothing draft pick wise.
They got burned on Gregory, as some guys get popped at the draft for a failed test but go straight edge/don't fail another test. Unfortunately Gregory had a lot more demons in his closet than I'm sure the Cowboys were expecting.

The only guy paying off now is Jaylon Smith.

But like I said, you take these risks occasionally. Not make them a regular staple in your offseason.

 

[eromeopolk]

I guess that's an effective business model if you're raising your product to just to have it get slaughtered.

Its a meat market business. Just ask players how they field after combine physicals and measurements.

 

[eromeopolk]

You mean like 99% of all franchises in modern North American professional team-sports have usually done it?

No. Think about it Jerry paid Troy, Emmitt, Irvin, Haley, Deion, etc. It was all about Jimmy winning his Super Bowl and Jerry wanting a Super Bowl without Jimmy.

Well what is the incentive now? Miami sold out for a championship, Golden State sold out to win again, Cleveland sold out to get a ring with Lebron, NY Yankees sold out for world championships, and so did the Denver Broncos. Even NE went out and got Randy Moss (something Jerry regrets) and went 16-0.

So I disagree. This philosophy of ranch hands marketed as stars have only produce 2 wild card playoff wins since 2008 and no Super Bowls since 1995. He made an effort with Parcells guys but also ran off Parcells with TO because he got his stadium.

Better personnel results are leading to the philosophy working. However, when unreliable and unavailable players don't work (Lee, Irving and Gregory) you have to go back to start over. So you get the mediocrity you have had since 1995.

Good at finding injury risks? They amounted to nothing. Lee is on his last leg. Scandrick gone, bruce carter long gone, Irving and Gregory a complete waste of time. When does the philosophy actually start working. Cause right now I see cases where this team drafts headcases way too early while many solid football players are still on the board. Makes no sense at all. Looking for that splash. Jerry trying to knock it out of the park. It's not working. If you're good at that, then you should be good at finding healthy players who aren't dumazzes. Specially in round 2 of the draft. You should take these gambles once in awhile. Not make them a regular occurrence.

I agree with you and that is my point of the post. As a total philosophy it has not worked. But that is exactly what Jerry has designed as a franchise personnel philosophy.

Martin and Fredrick are good examples of drafting healthy players who are not problem children or one legged. However even Dak and Zeke were drafted under clouds of suspension. One felled in the draft and the other had to serve a suspension causing the team to not make the playoffs in 2017.

 

[cern]

head 'em up. move 'em out. rawhide.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Its a meat market business. Just ask players how they field after combine physicals and measurements.

Ah..... No. Its actually the entertainment business wrapped up in the package of sport.

As such, your analogy of a ranching operation was largely ineffectual....which prompted my initial response.

 

[GenoT]

No. Think about it Jerry paid Troy, Emmitt, Irvin, Haley, Deion, etc. It was all about Jimmy winning his Super Bowl and Jerry wanting a Super Bowl without Jimmy.

Well what is the incentive now? Miami sold out for a championship, Golden State sold out to win again, Cleveland sold out to get a ring with Lebron, NY Yankees sold out for world championships, and so did the Denver Broncos. Even NE went out and got Randy Moss (something Jerry regrets) and went 16-0.

So I disagree. This philosophy of ranch hands marketed as stars have only produce 2 wild card playoff wins since 2008 and no Super Bowls since 1995. He made an effort with Parcells guys but also ran off Parcells with TO because he got his stadium.

Better personnel results are leading to the philosophy working. However, when unreliable and unavailable players don't work (Lee, Irving and Gregory) you have to go back to start over. So you get the mediocrity you have had since 1995.


I agree with you and that is my point of the post. As a total philosophy it has not worked. But that is exactly what Jerry has designed as a franchise personnel philosophy.

Martin and Fredrick are good examples of drafting healthy players who are not problem children or one legged. However even Dak and Zeke were drafted under clouds of suspension. One felled in the draft and the other had to serve a suspension causing the team to not make the playoffs in 2017.

Two questions...

1) What are you smoking?
2) May I have a toke, please?

 

[TwentyOne]

When you think of the land barons of the old Cowboy days, they kept a Trail Boss and everyone else was hired ranch hands disposable depending on cost.

That is the Cowboys current management style regarding personnel. The will pay the QB, RB (maybe), and WR. Every other position will be filled with draft choices and players worthy of a second contract (never a 3rd, the extend the second contract). Veteran Free Agents will be signed on the cheap to jump start a fallen career. Cowboys will sign or draft players coming off injury or arrest/suspension for risk reward.

Since 2010 this has been in place. 2010 is the year Cowboys drafted a arrest/suspension risk Dez Bryant, and coming off injury risk in Sean Lee with 1st and 2nd round picks. Consider Bruce Carter, Jaylon Smith, David Irving, Randy Gregory, Demarcus Lawrence, Orlando Scandrick, Jourdan Lewis, etc. Look at the free agents Allen Hurns (off injury), and Travon Austion (cheap fallen career), Also look at how many DL/OL free agents have come from another team's practice squad.

Earl Thomas has not been signed for a reason and the Cowboys are interested for a reason. He has not played a complete season in 3 years. Cowboys are waiting for the right kind of guy at the right kind of price for risk value reward. That is why he is not getting the safety money flying out the door in NFL free agency (see Collins, Mathieu, Gipson, etc.).

The good news is that Will McClay, VP of Player Personnel, is very good at his job of finding draft picks, practice squad players, and following orders to draft players coming off injury or arrest/suspension for risk reward. The hiring of Lionel Vital, Director of College Scouting, formerly under Bill Belichick, to team with long time Cowboy Scouts and Personnel men like Ciscowski, Garrett (Judd), and the young Alex Loomis (Saints President/GM son), allows the cheap risk reward ranch hand philosophy to work. This has been the strongest the Cowboys personnel department has been since Gil Brandt and Dave Mansberger/Cornell Green and Bob Ackles and John Wooten days.

Cowboys want ranch hands and not trail bosses. Jerry wants cowboys and he will market them into stars for fans to buy in if the price is right.

CRAP.