Critical fail plays defense vs Patriots

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I like to look at the critical failed plays on defense. I consider giving up 3rd or 4th down conversions as failed plays and gains over 12 yards. Also scoring plays that should not have happened. I didn't include the TD that was a 1 yard run on 1st and goal.

Claiborne was a much bigger problem than I realized. The Safeties show up in a few of these but where not a huge factor overall.

The Cowboys have to come up with something to mix things up against the pick plays. Having the DBs switch off in a 2 man zone or having them press the WR tightly would be some options.

Despite the 30 points it was actually a reasonably good performance be the defense. The Cowboys offense just has to hold the ball and not go 3 and out repeatedly. The Pats offense just got too many chances.


NE0DAL0
1st and 10 at NE 32 13:58 - 1st) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to J.Edelman ran ob at DAL 47 for 21 yards. PENALTY on DAL-J.Wilcox, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at DAL 47
Legal pick play on Claiborne. Wilcox late hit out of bounds.

NE3DAL0
1st and 10 at DAL 45 10:23 - 1st) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Lewis to DAL 31 for 14 yards (B.Church)
Church plays way off gives up 8 yard catch. Extra yards gained by pick play on Church after the catch.

NE10DAL3
1st and 10 at 50 5:32 - 2nd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to J.Edelman to DAL 34 for 16 yards (J.Wilcox)
Claiborne fell down.

3rd and 1 at DAL 14 4:16 - 2nd) (No Huddle) D.Lewis right end pushed ob at DAL 1 for 13 yards (J.Wilcox)
Screen. Missed tackle by White and RoMc.

NE13DAL3
2nd and 18 at NE 37 0:24 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to J.Edelman to DAL 39 for 24 yards (J.Wilcox)
Brady escapes pressure from both DE(s) and has the ball for 5 seconds. Claiborne in coverage. Claiborne missed the tackle that would have prevented a 1st down.

NE20DAL3
1st and 20 at NE 10 14:31 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to R.Gronkowski to NE 43 for 33 yards (J.Wilcox)
Gronk pushes off and Jones can’t make the tackle.


3rd and 5 at DAL 41 11:28 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to DAL 23 for 18 yards (B.Jones)
Pick play on Jones. This one should have been a penalty.

2nd and 3 at DAL 1610:20 - 3rd) L.Blount up the middle to DAL 15 for 1 yard (A.Hitchens; N.Hayden). PENALTY on DAL-R.McClain, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 15
Penalty on RoMc for hands to the face. They had the RB stopped before the penalty.

1st and Goal at DAL 10 9:55 - 3rd) Dion Lewis Pass From Tom Brady for 10 Yrds S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD.
Pass in the flat. Missed tackles by Church and Jack Crawford and to a lesser extent by White and Wilcox. I don't know how Crawford didn't make the tackle.

NE27DAL6
3rd and 2 at NE 28 15:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep middle to K.Martin to NE 44 for 16 yards (B.Carr). Pass complete on a "slant" pattern
Carr in coverage.

2nd and 13 at NE 41 13:10 - 4th) Julian Edelman 59 Yd pass from Tom Brady
Pick play on Claiborne. Carr with key missed tackle. Lee and Wilcox also had a chance for the tackle.

NE30DAL6
1st and 10 at NE 47 6:20 - 4th) L.Blount right end pushed ob at DAL 19 for 34 yards (B.Church)
WR gets a good block on Jones. Claiborne stays with that same WR for some reason. It almost looks like the WR is blocking both of them but Claiborne really was not blocked. Church and Wilcox are in pursuit but this one is on Claiborne and Jones.
 

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I see people calling for Jones at Safety but I would be interested in seeing him at CB when he is not covering TEs.
 

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A lot of those missed tackles honestly seemed like just superior plays by a guy who is really talented (Dion Lewis). Obviously the secondary in general didn't have a great day, but I didn't think they were terrible either.

The pick plays were infuriating. The patriots are so surgical with those.
 

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Despite the 30 points it was actually a reasonably good performance be the defense. .

I agree. I was down on the defense the past few weeks, but I was impressed with their play against the Pats.
13 points at halftime for New England was much better than I expected. And the way the offense couldnt get anything going, the defense ran out of gas.
 

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I see people calling for Jones at Safety but I would be interested in seeing him at CB when he is not covering TEs.

I second this.

DISCLAIMER: I am not discounting the value of safeties...

Having said that, I'd rather see Jones as an elite CB over Jones as an elite FS.
 
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The defense definitely wore down the in 2nd half. The Pats do this to many teams. But when your offense is constantly going 3 and out, forcing your defense to be on the field all day, you are going to make mistakes.
 

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I would like further breakdown, with images if possible as to what you deemed legal and illegal pick plays, if possible. I will agree they weren't all blatant, but I didn't see a single one I didn't think couldn't have been flagged.

The wheel route where Claiborne and Jones are on Amendola was a pick and a total give up play.
 

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I would like further breakdown, with images if possible as to what you deemed legal and illegal pick plays, if possible. I will agree they weren't all blatant, but I didn't see a single one I didn't think couldn't have been flagged.

The wheel route where Claiborne and Jones are on Amendola was a pick and a total give up play.

Post Gifs of all the picks and I tell you which ones were legal.
 

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Post Gifs of all the picks and I tell you which ones were legal.

LOL the point was I didn't want to do the work. I didn't see a single pick that didn't at least move beyond the 1 yard area, if not starting past it.
 

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Anyone have a gif of the long play by Gronk? I believe that was the play White got out of the way because he wanted no part. But I had a few adult beverages in me so wondering if it was as bad as I remember.
 

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Despite the 30 points it was actually a reasonably good performance be the defense. The Cowboys offense just has to hold the ball and not go 3 and out repeatedly. The Pats offense just got too many chances.



That's been the problem every week imo.

Defense is hard to play and if you keep giving MAtt Ryan, Drew Brees + Payton, and Brady the ball back then they will score points.


I blame the predictable offense, especially on first downs, for all of this.

No excuse for all of the 3 and outs we have had.
 
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Anyone have a gif of the long play by Gronk? I believe that was the play White got out of the way because he wanted no part. But I had a few adult beverages in me so wondering if it was as bad as I remember.

Gronk and Brady just made a good play.. Jones was the one in coverage.
 

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Anyone have a gif of the long play by Gronk? I believe that was the play White got out of the way because he wanted no part. But I had a few adult beverages in me so wondering if it was as bad as I remember.

One of these?

1st and 20 at NE 10 14:31 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to R.Gronkowski to NE 43 for 33 yards (J.Wilcox)
Gronk pushes off and Jones can’t make the tackle.


3rd and 5 at DAL 41 11:28 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to DAL 23 for 18 yards (B.Jones)
Pick play on Jones. This one should have been a penalty.
 

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That's been the problem every week imo.

Defense is hard to play and if you keep giving MAtt Ryan, Drew Brees + Payton, and Brady the ball back then they will score points.


I blame the predictable offense, especially on first downs, for all of this.

No excuse for all of the 3 and outs we have had.

The predictability is a problem for the running game. It is almost always a run on 1st down. I recall once where they passed on 1st down and it then seemed obvious that they would run on 2nd down.
 

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Excellent write up X - thanks for that.

The good thing is we won't have to worry about the Giants running pick plays with Beckham...

Wait...what...?
 

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Excellent write up X - thanks for that.

The good thing is we won't have to worry about the Giants running pick plays with Beckham...

Wait...what...?

That is going to be the game plan for teams that play the Cowboys until the Cowboys do something to make it more difficult (2 man zone, tighter press coverage).
 

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Gronk and Brady just made a good play.. Jones was the one in coverage.

Jones was in coverage but if I am remembering correctly White had a shot at the tackle and wanted no part. But could be wrong.
 

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One of these?

1st and 20 at NE 10 14:31 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to R.Gronkowski to NE 43 for 33 yards (J.Wilcox)
Gronk pushes off and Jones can’t make the tackle.


3rd and 5 at DAL 41 11:28 - 3rd) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to R.Gronkowski to DAL 23 for 18 yards (B.Jones)
Pick play on Jones. This one should have been a penalty.

It was the 18 yarder. Not as bad as I remember but still he wanted no part of that tackle.

http://www.patriots.com/video/2015/10/11/highlight-tom-brady-finds-rob-gronkowski-18-yards
 

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